Re: qemu crashes kernel-5.18.11-200.fc36.x86_64

2022-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 13:20 +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > On 19/07/2022 14.39, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > > On 19/07/2022 07.42, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > Am I the only one lucky enough to have kernel-5.18.11- > > > 200.fc36.x86_64 crash reliably, on particular hardware, after > > > s

specialist audio configurations

2022-07-20 Thread Tim via users
Hi, Has pulseaudio/pipewire got to the stage where we can specify output channels in our own way? For instance, I use a Behringer UMC1820 for sound input/output. It's a multichannel thing, over 10 inputs and outputs. You can record multichannel, that works fine (usually). Occasionally there's

Re: qemu crashes kernel-5.18.11-200.fc36.x86_64

2022-07-20 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 13:20 +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > On 19/07/2022 14.39, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > > On 19/07/2022 07.42, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > Am I the only one lucky enough to have kernel-5.18.11- > > > 200.fc36.x86_64 crash reliably, on partic

Re: qemu crashes kernel-5.18.11-200.fc36.x86_64

2022-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 06:50 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > > > On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 13:20 +1000, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 19/07/2022 14.39, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > > > > > > On 19/07/2022 07.42, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > > > Am I the on

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread George N. White III
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 2:25 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > On 7/19/22 11:03, R. G. Newbury wrote: > >> But I definitely didn't use vim, I used emacs :-). > > Heretic! Unclean! Unclean! > > I've never understood why so many people worship vi. If I need to edit > a file in a terminal, I use Mork's Editor.

Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
Hello, I was using an application (Booktab for reading school manuals) that worked in fedora 35. After updating to fedora 36 when I run it I get: $ pwd /home/g.cecchi/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Booktab $ wine ./Booktab.exe 002c:fixme:winediag:LdrInitializeThunk wine-staging 7.12 is a testi

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Lily White
> BTW: do I have to worry about the message above "wine-staging 7.12 is a > testing version containing experimental patches"? Why this choice in case? Generally, no, `wine' should be relatively stable even it is staging. Moreover, when a Fedora version rolls out, the corresponding wine *usual

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 08:54 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 2:25 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > > On 7/19/22 11:03, R. G. Newbury wrote: > > > > But I definitely didn't use vim, I used emacs :-). > > > Heretic! Unclean! Unclean! > > > > I've never understood why so many peopl

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 05:54, George N. White III wrote: On early unix systems, terminals were the only user interface.  At that time, vi was a big improvement over ed. Many early unix users learned vi, and now still find it available by default on most linux systems as well as macOS. Yes. I remember that

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 07:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: We couldn't even run vi at the time on our PDP-11/45 with 6th Edition UNIX. IIRC it was too big for the address space. I wrote my PhD thesis in Nroff using George Coulouris' em ('editor for mortals'), the precursor to ex, which eventually became vi. It

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 09:16 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 7/20/22 07:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > We couldn't even run vi at the time on our PDP-11/45 with 6th > > Edition > > UNIX. IIRC it was too big for the address space. I wrote my PhD > > thesis > > in Nroff using George Coulouris' em ('ed

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:48 AM Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > Hello, > I was using an application (Booktab for reading school manuals) that > worked in fedora 35. > After updating to fedora 36 when I run it I get: > $ pwd > /home/g.cecchi/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Booktab > > $ wine ./Booktab

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Ron Flory via users
On 7/20/2022 10:16 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 7/20/22 07:45, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > We couldn't even run vi at the time on our PDP-11/45 with 6th Edition > > UNIX. IIRC it was too big for the address space. I wrote my PhD thesis > > in Nroff using George Coulouris' em ('editor for mortals'),

Re: are there typical ways Fedora tends to break?

2022-07-20 Thread James Tremblay
Chris, I have been using Fedora as my D2D corporate workstation since F32. I have had very few issues with any of it. My biggest issue and daily pita is systemd-resolved . I have to consistently "systemctl restart systemd-resolved" in order to get my VPN to restart. In my home network, systemd-

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 09:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I don't know how you draw that conclusion from what is merely a reminiscence. I use vi because I'm familiar with it. I've also used emacs extensively and like it. There are plenty of alternatives and no- one is being forced to use any of them. I think

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 09:38, Ron Flory via users wrote:  Careful there-  even today, a very large number of new Linux devices don't run a GUI at all, so a text-based editor (and knowing how to drive it) is a necessity. Yes, but it doesn't have to be vi. One of the reasons I like nano is that most of

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread John Mellor
On 2022-07-20 11:14 a.m., Joe Zeff wrote: On 7/20/22 05:54, George N. White III wrote: On early unix systems, terminals were the only user interface.  At that time, vi was a big improvement over ed. Many early unix users learned vi, and now still find it available by default on most linux system

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 5:32 PM George N. White III wrote: > >> >> Any hint on how to use it again? >> > > The missing libraries should be supplied by Wine's versions of Microsoft > DirectX. They are in the flatpak: org.winehq.Wine > > Ok, I have no flatpak but plain rpm on my fedora. Could they

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 3:24 PM Lily White wrote: > > BTW: do I have to worry about the message above "wine-staging 7.12 is a > > testing version containing experimental patches"? Why this choice in > case? > > Generally, no, `wine' should be relatively stable even it is staging. > > Moreover,

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Barry
> On 20 Jul 2022, at 18:09, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 7/19/22 11:03, R. G. Newbury wrote: >>> But I definitely didn't use vim, I used emacs :-). >> Heretic! Unclean! Unclean! > > I've never understood why so many people worship vi. If I need to edit a > file in a terminal, I use Mork's Editor.

Re: [EXTERNAL] Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:00:13AM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: On 7/20/22 09:38, Ron Flory via users wrote:  Careful there-  even today, a very large number of new Linux devices don't run a GUI at all, so a text-based editor (and knowing how to drive it) is a necessity. Yes, but it doesn't have t

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 09:57 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > I draw that conclusion from reading many posts here and elsewhere > from Linux newbies using vi because (and possibly only because) > whatever walkthroughs they're trying to follow specify vi, instead of > just a text editor. There you're into t

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 6:48 AM Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > 0118:err:module:import_dll Library libvkd3d-shader-1.dll (which is needed by > L"C:\\windows\\system32\\wined3d.dll") not found > 0118:err:module:import_dll Library libvkd3d-1.dll (which is needed by > L"C:\\windows\\system32\\wined3d.dll"

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 7:52 PM Jerry James wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 6:48 AM Gianluca Cecchi > wrote: > > 0118:err:module:import_dll Library libvkd3d-shader-1.dll (which is > needed by L"C:\\windows\\system32\\wined3d.dll") not found > > 0118:err:module:import_dll Library libvkd3d-1.dll

Re: How do I do a group reinstall of Xfce?

2022-07-20 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 7/19/22 14:07, Robert McBroom via users wrote: xinit -- :0 Thank you! ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.or

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 09:57 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 7/20/22 09:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I don't know how you draw that conclusion from what is merely a > > reminiscence. I use vi because I'm familiar with it. I've also used > > emacs extensively and like it. There are plenty of altern

Re: How do I do a group reinstall of Xfce?

2022-07-20 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 7/19/22 04:42, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All,    I have both MATE and Xfce installed.  If I boot into MATE, such that Xfce is not running, or not start a GUI at all, how do I do a group reinstall of Xfce? Many thanks, -T Follow up: Apparently, Xfce was never installed with a group

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 12:45 PM Gianluca Cecchi wrote: > Great! > I only had wine-7.12-2.fc36.x86_64 and: > > mingw32-binutils-2.37-4.fc36.x86_64 > mingw32-cpp-11.2.1-5.fc36.x86_64 > mingw32-crt-9.0.0-4.fc36.noarch > mingw32-filesystem-133-2.fc36.noarch > mingw32-gcc-11.2.1-5.fc36.x86_64 > mingw3

Re: Update to f36: problem with wine libvkd3d-1.dll not found

2022-07-20 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:42 PM Jerry James wrote: > > > > > I installed mingw32-vkd3d-1.4-1.fc36.noarch and now the application > works again! > > > > Thanks > > Gianluca > > You're welcome. I'm glad that worked! > > I thought I had already tried searching for vkd3d keyword when getting the err

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Jul 20, 2022, at 11:38, Ron Flory via users wrote: > Also, I think you mean 'shell' instead of 'terminal'- a 'terminal' is an > external piece of hardware that terminates a serial line, like an ADM-3A or > TVI-912C, etc. We generally haven't used terminals since the 1980's. “Terminal” is

Re: How do I do a group reinstall of Xfce?

2022-07-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/20/22 12:28, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Install:    # dnf group install 'Xfce Desktop'    # dnf install @xfce-desktop-environment Those should be equivalent. Did they do something different or are you just offering alternatives? ___ users

Re: How do I do a group reinstall of Xfce?

2022-07-20 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 7/20/22 15:56, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/20/22 12:28, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Install:     # dnf group install 'Xfce Desktop'     # dnf install @xfce-desktop-environment Those should be equivalent.  Did they do something different or are you just offering alternatives? Showing both

How do I downgrade Wine to version 6?

2022-07-20 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
Hi All, Wine 7.12 crashes Approach printing to PDF's. Wine 7.2 crashes Word Pro when trying to edit a document. I have reported both. How do I downgrade to Wine version 6? The repo seems to only have 7.12 as its latest. Many thanks, -T -- ~~ Computers ar

Re: How do I downgrade Wine to version 6?

2022-07-20 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 7/20/22 16:55, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Wine 7.12 crashes Approach printing to PDF's. Wine 7.2 crashes Word Pro when trying to edit a document. I have reported both. How do I downgrade to Wine version 6?  The repo seems to only have 7.12 as its latest. Many thanks, -T Fi

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 10:16, John Mellor wrote: Hmm, that line of thought opens a really rusted can of worms. Since 80-90% of "newcomers" use Windows and their fingers are programmed for Windows keystrokes and mouse actions, maybe the Linux desktop should be a look-alike instead of just being better.  How

Re: [EXTERNAL] Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 11:47, Jon LaBadie wrote: You mean nano is so complex that you can't remember its basic commands? No, I mean that I don't use it often enough to need to memorize them. If I did, I'm sure that I'd know all of the commands that I used in day-to-day work and only needed to use ^G to

Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 11:48, Tim via users wrote: Now it's a welcome surprise to find someone who doesn't need step by step guiding through an entire process. I did telephone tech support for an ISP for about a decade and worked with large numbers of people who didn't know how to do anything with their

I need xfce4-notifyd help

2022-07-20 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
Hi All, Would someone write me a quick command line to pop up something from xfce4-notifyd? Many thanks, -T ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Cond

emacs freezes after today's F36 update

2022-07-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hi, Following today's update to emacs to 28.1, what I get is an interminable "Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/ess-init.el (source)..." The window freezes and pretty much spawns a process, with the solution that the emacs process has to be killed. I do have emacs-ess and emacs-c

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Lily White
I remember furiously inserting `g$' on my file until I remembered I'm using nano. Anyway vi commands are easier to remember compared to Emacs, by a margin. On 7/21/22 12:00 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 7/20/22 09:38, Ron Flory via users wrote:   Careful there-  even today, a very large number of n

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Is there an officially Fedora supported replacement for,>,> the old rc.local? - still an issue

2022-07-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/20/22 21:26, Lily White wrote: Anyway vi commands are easier to remember compared to Emacs, by a margin. No argument there! Back when I was studying programming, using CP/M, the school provided MINCE (MINCE Is Not Completely Emacs) as our editor. When I started playing around with Lin