Re: Thunderbird lightning question

On 06/30/15 14:30, Joachim Backes wrote: > anybody knows how to change the thunderbird ligntning time format from > AM/PM presentation to the 24h presentation? T-Bird, and T-Bird-lightning (now now longer an extension) have always followed the settings of my "locale". I use KDE and force my LC_T

Re: Thunderbird lightning question

Oh, I forgot to mention If you use KDE there is currently a bug in "system settings". If you set the individually set the locale for Time formats to C in the GUI it will actually set it LC_TIME=C.utf-8" or something like that which is non-existent and lead to several issues. You need to s

Re: Thunderbird lightning question

On 30 June 2015 at 08:30, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi all, > > anybody knows how to change the thunderbird ligntning time format from > AM/PM presentation to the 24h presentation? > That depends on the locale settings. If you're using GNOME, open the gnome-control-center -> Region & language, chan

Re: Thunderbird lightning question

Sorry for the multiple replies but I just found another oddity if you're using KDE. In system-setttings, if you have personalization-->Regional Settings-->Formats "Detailed Settings" checked and alter Time it will override whatever you have in your .bashrc. You can see this, or check, by fin

Re: Thunderbird lightning question

On 06/30/15 09:47, Ed Greshko wrote: > Sorry for the multiple replies but I just found another oddity if you're > using KDE. > > In system-setttings, if you have personalization-->Regional > Settings-->Formats "Detailed Settings" checked and alter Time it will > override whatever you have in

Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:57:58PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/29/2015 11:37 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: > >If you edit /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh then update coreutils your edits > >won't get replaced... > > That may be true, but the whole point is, I don't want ls to use colors. I still don't get

akmod Nvidia dependencies

I just updated the kernel to kernel-4.0.6-300.fc22.x86_64 and rebooted. The system came up in VGA mode, presumably because kmod-nvidia had not recompiled. Is there a way to force this, or do I have to wait for an update to akmod-nvidia? For the moment I removed akmod-nvidia and rebooted with Nouve

Re: DNF problems - maybe force ftp->http ?

On 29 June 2015 at 13:57, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13:12 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen > wrote: > > I am having big problems install new software and upgrading my > > current > > F22 using DNF. > > Maybe I am wrong but I think that if I could force dnf to

Re: DNF problems - maybe force ftp->http ?

On 30 June 2015 at 13:20, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen < traxpla...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 29 June 2015 at 13:57, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > >> On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13:12 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen >> wrote: >> > I am having big problems install new software and upgradin

Re: SELinux is preventing sh from getattr access on the file /usr/sbin/ldconfig.

On 06/29/2015 01:45 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > [Sorry for the late answer, I was away from this machine.] > > 2015-06-28 1:01 GMT+02:00, Ed Greshko : >> On 06/27/15 21:15, Andras Simon wrote: >>> 2015-06-27 15:11 GMT+02:00, Andras Simon : Should I be worried about the $subject? >>> And there'

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

If you don't give it time to recompile the driver after the yum update and before a reboot, things can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile after the boot. (At least that is what I have observed). I always run "top" after a yum update and wait till all the compilation and rpm activity di

Re: DNF problems - maybe force ftp->http ?

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 13:22 +0200, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: > On 30 June 2015 at 13:20, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen < > traxpla...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 29 June 2015 at 13:57, Patrick O'Callaghan < > > pocallag...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 13

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:34 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > If you don't give it time to recompile the driver > after the yum update and before a reboot, things > can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile > after the boot. (At least that is what I have > observed). > > I always run "top" afte

Re: SELinux is preventing sh from getattr access on the file /usr/sbin/ldconfig.

On 06/30/15 19:31, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > On 06/29/2015 01:45 PM, Andras Simon wrote: >> [Sorry for the late answer, I was away from this machine.] >> >> 2015-06-28 1:01 GMT+02:00, Ed Greshko : >>> On 06/27/15 21:15, Andras Simon wrote: 2015-06-27 15:11 GMT+02:00, Andras Simon : > Shoul

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On 06/30/15 19:47, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:34 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: >> If you don't give it time to recompile the driver >> after the yum update and before a reboot, things >> can be in a confusing state and it won't recompile >> after the boot. (At least that is w

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:47:24 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until the > module had finished recompiling. Yea, I expected that too up till I found I had no video after typing reboot right after the update :-). -- users mailing list

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 08:04 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:47:24 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > In any case I would have expected the update not to complete until > > the > > module had finished recompiling. > > Yea, I expected that too up till I found I had no vide

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On 06/30/15 20:04, Ed Greshko wrote: > I haven't tracked down the cause as of yet. Well the cause seems to be this Install 1 Package Total size: 3.7 M Installed size: 15 M Downloading Packages: Running transaction check Transaction check succeeded. Running transaction test Transaction test

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/30/15 19:47, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:34 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > If you don't give it time to recompile the driver > > > after the yum update and before a reboot, things > > > can be in a confusing s

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself > out. That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background rather than waiting on it because when it waited on it, the database was locked :-). -- use

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the question be between dnf and akmods? -- Sorta what I want to say when folks habitually complain about Fedora - https://youtu.be/ZA

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself > > out. > > That's probably why yum runs the akmod compile in the background > rather than waiting on i

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. > > Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the > question be between dnf and akmods? Isn't akmod produced by Nvidia?

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley > wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking > > > itself > > > out. > > > > That's

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Not sure whether to report this against dnf or Nvidia. > > > > Don't know if the dnf folks care about it. But shouldn't the >

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:37:59 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:19:47 +0100 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > So the problem is not with compilation, it's with dnf locking itself > > > out. > > > > That's probably w

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:33:01 -0600 Isaac Cortés González wrote: > So, as I'm not a hardcore developer or coder, I was wondering: Is the > new support that it's dropped in the kernel for the Toshiba laptops > build by default or I'd have to compile by myself from "scratch"? I don't use a toshiba,

Re: Color aliasing. Was Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

On 06/30/2015 01:36 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: In fact, if you do the second, the first one should not be required. I suggested this in my earlier post. Did you try? I started out by saying that I'd added alias ls=ls to .bashrc, which is the same thing as what you're suggesting. -- users mailing

Re: rngd read error

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 01:11:27 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > Thanks very much. > This gave me the info > Error reading from TPM, no entropy gathered > It seems that my Thinkpad T510 has a TPM chip, > which I probably could turn on in some way. > > However, for the moment I've just run > sudo s

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > My only "fix" (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, > when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind > with the normal installation process. What's interesting here is that the shutdown service o

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the > irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't > seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on hardware > modules for the system scanned. "make localmodcon

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > My only "fix" (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, > when dnf wasn't locking it out. There's clearly a race of some kind > with the

Re: need grub experts

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:29:40 +0200 François Patte wrote: > I cannot get a correct resolution for grub. Here is > my /etc/defaul/grub: > > < > GRUB_TIMEOUT="10" > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)" > GRUB_DEFAULT="0" > #GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT="true" > G

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > pocallag...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > My only "fix" (really a workaround) was to run the process manually, >

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

On 06/27/2015 02:01 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ralf Corsepius writes: On 06/26/2015 07:22 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: I don't know about a workaround, but it's probably worth noting that (unless I'm confused) Firefox in F22 has been ported to GTK3, and Thunderbird has not. Does this also expla

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: [snip] Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to awk: for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed '1s/={NL}=//;s/={NL}=/\n/g' > $i.sorted.txt done I bow before a Master. So, I'm try

gnome3 and gdm in f22

Hi all F22 users, having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to restart my box because the screen remains dark after logging ou

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On 06/30/15 22:30, Richard Shaw wrote: > Sorry, I should have been more specific, the services are called "akmods" and > "akmods-shutdown". Enabling either one should help... The shutdown one if dnf > releases the lock before you shutdown or the bootup one in case that one > fails. > > $ systemc

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. > > It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is > pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. > > In F22? IIUC (I don't use xfce myself) the xfce t

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

On 06/30/2015 11:05 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: > > If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until > the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have to > restart my box because the

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi all F22 users, > > having the following problem in F22/gdm with my ATI-Radeon video card 5400: > > If logging out from a gnome3 session, it takes a very long time until > the login screen of gdm re-appears (10-20 secs). Some times I have

Re: gnome3 and gdm in f22

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > If that solves the problem then it's likely related to gdm on Wayland > and you can search for a bug to me too, or file a new one. Actually best to file a new one because these problems all seem to be GPU specific. So include all the info on

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gnome) which is pretty much unusable on mouse-less systems. In F22? Yes

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

On 30 June 2015 at 17:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: >> >> On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. >>> >>> It seems to be using some built-in theme (probably from Gn

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:24:56 +0200 Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > > > That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all > > the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there > > doesn't seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turn

Re: rngd read error

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:14:09 -0700 stan wrote: > They all seem pretty pricey, except for > http://kidekin.nimp.co.uk/trng/kidekin_trng_user_manual.html > These can be purchased on Ebay for less than $10. They don't seem as > robust to me. Has anyone used this as an RNG solution? Messed up. T

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 07:56 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > pocallag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 20:35 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 06/30/15 20:19, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Not sure whether to report this a

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 09:30 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Ed Greshko > wrote: > > > On 06/30/15 22:21, Richard Shaw wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > > pocallag...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > >

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I have both of those running as shown. > > To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, during > the rpm install phase. I don't see how that is related to system > shutdown or startup. It's not directly. Basically

Re: Firefox scrollbar problem

On 06/30/2015 05:48 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 17:42, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/30/2015 05:23 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 16:28, Ralf Corsepius wrote: For me, Firefox does not respect the theme I have selected in xfce. It seems to be using some built-in th

Re: akmod Nvidia dependencies

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 11:18 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan < > pocallag...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > I have both of those running as shown. > > > > To be clear: The dnf lock is detected after the akmod compile, > > during > > the rpm install p

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > >> That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all the >> irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there doesn't >> seem to be a program that scans the system, and only turns on har

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Heinz Diehl > wrote: > > On 30.06.2015, stan wrote: > > > >> That's the hard part of compiling a custom kernel; eliminating all > >> the irrelevant modules and functionality. I've looked, and there > >> do

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even > compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only > loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of > which is it saves a ton of compile tim

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

Just as an FYI for those who may not know this, but the Fedora Project has build servers almost constantly building new kernels. You can go to koji.fedoraproject.org and type in kernel in the package field. Or go to URL http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8 For example today's

Re: Toshiba support in the kernel.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:20:36 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > Does localmodconfig set drivers to n such that they aren't even > compiled? Or are they m such that they are modules that are only > loaded on demand? I'm going to guess the answer is n, the point of > which is it saves a ton of compile tim

"software": how does it really work?

Hi, I'm on Fedora 22 default gnome desktop. I've got a few questions about "software" 1) how does it integrate with dnf? for instance if I do "dnf history" I do not see any of the transactions done with the "software" app. 2) do "software" and dnf have the same source? there are packages ava

After installing Fedora Workstation ...

During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group of packages ala the groupings presented by anaconda? Where is the list of such group names

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from > the left column, and then select the groups of packages from > the right column. > > Fine. > > Now that fedora is up and running, how does one add a group > of packages ala the groupin

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/26/2015 07:35 PM, jd1008 wrote: I have been googling and read wikis. None of them really explain clearly If 1. a drive has no bootable partitions and 2. the boot code in the 1st 446 bytes does not exist (all nulls) then how does bios decide it is not bootable, move on to the nex

Re: Strange booting problem

I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. You comment "bug" is not a word for "something I don't understand" or "something I don't like." is so totally irrelevant to what I have alrea

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

On 06/30/2015 03:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 14:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote: During install, Anaconda let's you select one desktop from the left column, and then select the groups of packages from the right column. Fine. Now that fedora is up and running, how does one

Re: Thunderbird blinking browser notice -

On 29/06/15 17:33, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/30/15 00:12, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: My systems are always configured to look the same from version to version as much as possible. I pretty much keep making the same "changes" based on my notes and a lot of saved files. I don't rec

Re: After installing Fedora Workstation ...

There is also: dnf group list hidden -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 02:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: I already explained to you 1. The disk is partitioned using fdisk. 2. I cleared the 446 bytes to nulls. 3. None of the partitions have a boot signature. The boot signature is at bytes 511 and 512, and you indicated that it is present: https://lists.fedora

Re: Strange booting problem - Off list

Hi Rick, Re: my /dev/sdb: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 002 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be "null'ed" safely?? Thanx. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opt

Re: Strange booting problem

The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive I tested, thus no boot signature - and yet, bios hung forever because that disk was 2nd in boot order after cd/dvd drive, and befo

Re: Strange booting problem

observations: 1. GRUB's boot.img, the 440 bytes of code in the MBR/LBA 0, does not use the partition active bit (the boot flag). So boot flag is irrelevant in a GRUB context. The GRUB boot.img code contains the specific LBA to jump to where core.img is found, which on MBR disks is in the MBR gap.

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, you set the block size to 2, so you are seeking (2 * 255) or 512 bytes into the disk. But I already indicated the 466 bytes are null... in another usb drive

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:19 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, you set the block size to 2, so you are seeking (2 * 255) or 512 bytes into the disk. Grrr! 2 * 255 = 510 bytes

Re: Strange booting problem - Off list

On 06/30/2015 03:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be "null'ed" safely?? Doing so worked for me, when testing under SeaBIOS. dd if=/dev/zero bs=2 count=1 seek=255 of=/dev/s

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > Hi Rick, > Re: my /dev/sdb: > > > dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x > 000 aa55 > 002 > > If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, > can they be "null'ed" safely?? How do you define safely? It means the

Re: Strange booting problem

Here is what happened after the 2 bytes at offset 511 and 512 were null'ed: fdisk /dev/sdb Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.24.2). Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. Be careful before using the write command. Device does not contain a recognized partition table.

Re: Strange booting problem - Off list

On 06/30/2015 04:32 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:04 PM, jd1008 wrote: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=2 count=1 skip=255 2>/dev/null | od -x 000 aa55 If these are the bytes that indicate a boot signature, can they be "null'ed" safely?? Doing so worked for me, when testing under SeaBIOS.

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: > Here is what happened after the 2 bytes at offset 511 and 512 were null'ed: > > fdisk /dev/sdb > > Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.24.2). > Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. > Be careful before using the write comman

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 04:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: Here is what happened after the 2 bytes at offset 511 and 512 were null'ed: fdisk /dev/sdb Welcome to fdisk (util-linux 2.24.2). Changes will remain in memory only, until you decide to write them. Be

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: The link you refer to talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are bytes 256 and 257. No, they're the two byte block at the 255th block of two bytes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record Again, bytes 0-446 are boot code. Bytes 256 and

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: > So, it begs the question: > Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, > none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios > quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? If you partition the disk you want skipped w

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:17 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> >> The link you refer to >> talks about the 2 bytes past byte 255, they they are >> bytes 256 and 257. > > > No, they're the two byte block at the 255th block of two bytes. > > https://en.wikipedia.or

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

On 30Jun2015 14:35, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: [snip] Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to awk: for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed '1s/={NL}=//;s/={NL}=/\n/g' > $i.sorted.txt done

Re: Strange booting problem

I just set Vbox boot order to HD > CD/DVD. And added a new blank VDI for the HD, and a Fedora 22 Live CD ISO for the CD. And it boots from the CD. So the HD is clearly skipped. If I partition the HD with fdisk with a single partition and no boot flag, I get the same result. So clearly this BIOS is

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, with this kind of change, it destroys the partition table. So it does. :( Well, that's disappointing. Educational, but disappointing. I missed that in testing because the bootable media I was using wrote both an MBR and GPT labels to the USB drive.

Re: Awk and sort (of text files)

On 06/30/2015 04:48 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 30Jun2015 14:35, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, jd1008 wrote: [snip] Here is the simplest solution and it does what I want without resorting to awk: for i in `/bin/ls -1 lists*`; do sed '/./{H;d;};x;s/\n/={NL}=/g' $i | sort | sed

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 04:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: I just set Vbox boot order to HD > CD/DVD. And added a new blank VDI for the HD, and a Fedora 22 Live CD ISO for the CD. And it boots from the CD. So the HD is clearly skipped. If I partition the HD with fdisk with a single partition and no boot flag

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 04:56 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:32 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, with this kind of change, it destroys the partition table. So it does. :( Well, that's disappointing. Educational, but disappointing. I missed that in testing because the bootable media I was using wro

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, none of the partitions marked as bootable, and have bios quickly skip over it to the next device in the boot sequence? So far it l

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: >> >> So, it begs the question: > > > (that's not what "begs the question" means) Yes. It's an accusation. > >> Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, >> none of the partitions marked as b

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 05:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think it does not me

Re: Strange booting problem

Yet another possibility is to GPT partition the disk and then zero LBA 0 (the PMBR). Now to any MBR only utility, it will appear to be a blank drive and hence dangerously unprotected. But, being lazy I won't go look for this, I don't think the UEFI spec requires a PMBR on GPT disks, it can just hav

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > >> So, it begs the question: > > > > (that's not what "begs the question" means) > For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation > does indeed lead me to ask that question. > If you think it does not mean that - then please en

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 05:10 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) Yes. It's an accusation. Can I create a disk with msdos partitioning scheme, non

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that points to no where and hangs. One of jd's earlier messages included the boot sector. It was mostly nul bytes. The so

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 06/30/2015 03:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> 2. The most likely explanation for the problem, as someone else >> alluded to, is the USB drive has stale bootloader code on it that >> points to no where and hangs. > > > One of jd's earlier

Re: Strange booting problem

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: > OMG!!! > LVM!!! > The other OS will most certainly NOT be able to make use > of that drive :) :) OK so you have two options. -Change the BIOS boot order. - Use GPT and after making all changes either zero out LBA 0 or otherwise invalidate the MB

Re: "software": how does it really work?

On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 21:23 +0100, andrea wrote: > Hi, > > I'm on Fedora 22 default gnome desktop. > > I've got a few questions about "software" > > 1) how does it integrate with dnf? for instance if I do "dnf history" > I do not see any of the > transactions done with the "software" app. It d

Re: Strange booting problem

UEFI spec 2.4.0 suggests the PMBR is optional. 5.2.3 "A Protective MBR may be located at LBA 0 (i.e. the first logical block) of the disk if it is using the GPT disk layout. The Protective MBR precedes the GUID Partition Table Header to maintain compatibility with existing tools that do not unders

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 04:01 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, how can I proceed with a brand new drive, dd /dev/zero into the first ... say 4K bytes, partition it with fdisk, do not mark any partition bootable, so that bios will skip over it ? Based on testing, it looks like any use of MBR will cause your BIOS to

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 05:13 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 04:13 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-30 at 17:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: (that's not what "begs the question" means) For my case it does cause me to ask : The conundrum of my situation does indeed lead me to ask that question. If you think i

Re: Strange booting problem

On 06/30/2015 03:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: So, it begs the question: No it doesn't, it asks the question. Begging the question means something entirely different (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question) and the fact that many people misuse it that way doesn't change the meaning. --

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