On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 16:16 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Balint Szigeti wrote:
>
>
> > today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked)
> > systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled
> > systemd-journald.socket as well.
> >
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but it's
> a good deal better than what we had before.
Do you know of a place where I can find the analysis behind this
assessment, or is it just your personal opinion? For me
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Steven Rosenberg:
> I have Thunderbird 31.1.0 in Fedora 20. I think the update came
> through yesterday.
That is what I said as well in my previous email:
> Thunderbird 31.1.0 is already in fc20 (fc19 still comes with
> Thunderbird 24.7).
but I
On 12.09.2014 10:06, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>> Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but it's
>> a good deal better than what we had before.
>
> Do you know of a place where I can find the analysis behind
On 12.09.2014 10:19, Joonas wrote:
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> Steven Rosenberg:
>> I have Thunderbird 31.1.0 in Fedora 20. I think the update came
>> through yesterday.
>
> That is what I said as well in my previous email:
>
>> Thunderbird 31.1.0 is already in fc20
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 09/12/2014 04:13 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
And I'm not saying that it's all bad -- open source systems go the way
developers want it to go,
I'd consider this to be an urban legend, which may have applied in the past.
These days open source systems
On 12.09.2014 05:57, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 09/12/2014 04:13 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
>
>> And I'm not saying that it's all bad -- open source systems go the way
>> developers want it to go,
> I'd consider this to be an urban legend, which may have applied in the
> past. These days open source
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:06:59 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> Since
> I'm stuck with RHEL at work, I relly haven't got much choice in desktop
> distro.
Yep. I run Fedora, not because it is the best distro (I'd have
to go looking for that), but because our software has to run
on RedHat, and Fedo
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On 09/12/2014 02:37 PM, poma wrote:
On 12.09.2014 05:57, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 09/12/2014 04:13 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
And I'm not saying that it's all bad -- open source systems go the way
developers want it to go,
I'd consider this to be an urban legend, which may have applied in the
pas
Hello All Fedora Lonux TCP/IP experts,
Hi!!
This is an urgent issue, which needs to be resolved at the earliest time!!!
Given platform : Fedora Linux OS(free open source), Version 16, with GCC (GNU
compiler) and 2 C language programs, where one is jc.c which is a client
program, and jsvc.c
On 09/09/2014 11:47 AM, poma wrote:
On 09.09.2014 17:14, sean darcy wrote:
On 09/09/2014 11:05 AM, poma wrote:
On 09.09.2014 16:13, sean darcy wrote:
On an acer latop with XFCE, the mouse cursor is trailed by a rectangle
about 1/2" below and offset to the right.
In Settings -> Mouse and Touch
Hello,
Please look to the attached pages (4) in .pdf format acrobatreader the
ps -ef under fedora20 gives a stack overflow and I gues that therefor I
have a lot of problems on my system.
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
...
Then let me turn this story around: Where would systemd be if Poettering
wasn't RH-employed and if RH wasn't backing him? Nowhere. It would be an
anecdotal footnote in Linux history, nobody would remember.
Conversely, it's entirely silly and ar
2014-09-12 11:06 GMT+03:00 Anders Wegge Keller :
> Do you know of a place where I can find the analysis behind this
> assessment, or is it just your personal opinion?
The recent initsystem debate [1] from Debian pretty exhaustively
explores the pros and cons of many major init system options. Whi
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On 09/11/2014 06:33 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately*
>> leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ...
>
> With all due res
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:16:01PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I really wish people would stop repeating this falsehood. systemd is
> *not* a single process.
"Process" as in "procedure for operation".
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On Friday, September 12, 2014 05:45:21 PM Ger van Dijck wrote:
> Please look to the attached pages (4) in .pdf format acrobatreader the
> ps -ef under fedora20 gives a stack overflow and I gues that therefor I
> have a lot of problems on my system.
I don't see any PDF. I wouldn't open an attachm
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:06:59 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> > Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but
> > it's a good deal better than what we had before.
>
> Do you know of a place where I can find th
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:16:01 -0400
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> It's a name for a collection of small
> processes that *collectively* are called systemd.
One of which is actually named systemd and incorporates a vast
collection of bloated nonsense. I wish people would quit
asserting that systemd is
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:56:34 +0200
poma wrote:
> On 12.09.2014 10:06, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600
> > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> >> Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but
> >> it's a good deal better than what we had before.
> >
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:07:35 + (UTC)
Bill Oliver wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
> > ...
> >
> > Then let me turn this story around: Where would systemd be if
> > Poettering wasn't RH-employed and if RH wasn't backing him?
> > Nowhere. It would be an anecdotal footnote
On 09/12/2014 07:59 AM, Jyotishmaan Ray issued this missive:
Hello All Fedora Lonux TCP/IP experts,
Hi!!
This is an urgent issue, which needs to be resolved at the earliest time!!!
Given platform : Fedora Linux OS(free open source), Version 16, with GCC
(GNU compiler) and 2 C language program
On 09/12/2014 06:34 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:07:35 + (UTC)
Bill Oliver wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
...
Then let me turn this story around: Where would systemd be if
Poettering wasn't RH-employed and if RH wasn't backing him?
Nowhere. It would b
On 12.09.2014 17:26, sean darcy wrote:
> On 09/09/2014 11:47 AM, poma wrote:
>> On 09.09.2014 17:14, sean darcy wrote:
>>> On 09/09/2014 11:05 AM, poma wrote:
On 09.09.2014 16:13, sean darcy wrote:
> On an acer latop with XFCE, the mouse cursor is trailed by a rectangle
> about 1/2" be
On 09/12/2014 09:16 AM, Stephen Gallagher issued this missive:
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On 09/11/2014 06:33 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote:
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
[snip]
Systemd is one of the stupid ideas. It flies in the face of
everyt
Hi
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
>> Likely. But Fedora would never have started to use systemd if Poettering
> wasn't RH-employed.
>
> Actually nobody, would have taken notice about systemd
Playing "what ifs" with history doesn't really do any good but for what it
is
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:03:43 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:
> Sorry, but I have to call "bull" on that. It absolutely is a single
> process (/usr/lib/systemd/systemd). The fact it delegates its operations
> does not make it "a collection of small processes" any more than, say,
> xinetd is when it laun
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:08:14 +0300
Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
> 2014-09-12 11:06 GMT+03:00 Anders Wegge Keller :
> > Do you know of a place where I can find the analysis behind this
> > assessment, or is it just your personal opinion?
>
> The recent initsystem debate [1] from Debian pretty exhaust
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 20:30:17 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:08:14 +0300
> Joonas Sarajärvi wrote:
>
> > 2014-09-12 11:06 GMT+03:00 Anders Wegge Keller :
> > > Do you know of a place where I can find the analysis behind this
> > > assessment, or is it just your person
Hey,
2014-09-12 21:30 GMT+03:00 Anders Wegge Keller :
> I'm asking for a pointer to the numerous rebuttals of falsehoods, and
> carefully considerations, that time and time again are claimed to exist. A
> Debian document, written to whitewash a forced descision is not what I'm
> asking for.
The
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:27:18 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:06:59 +0200
> Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600
> > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > > Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but
> > > it's a good deal better th
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Likely. But Fedora would never have started to use systemd if Poettering
> wasn't RH-employed.
>
> Actually nobody, would have taken notice about systemd.
>
As the guy who happened to be the FPL when systemd was implemented in
Fedora, I do
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:00:01 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> Funny how two different career paths can bring us to two radically
> different stances. May I ask what field you work in? My own
> background is upper level machine controls where we generally end up
> requiring as stupid a box as p
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> systemd and upstart are misguided attempts to speed up the boot process
> by parallelizing the startups
>
Speeding up the boot process was not the major reason that Lennart wrote
systemd. See items 2 and 3 at
http://0pointer.de/blog/projec
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:12:28 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:00:01 +0200
> Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>
> > Funny how two different career paths can bring us to two radically
> > different stances. May I ask what field you work in? My own
> > background is upper level machine
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:12:28 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> The amount of memory and i/o is trivial, IMHO.
Then why does the memory usage needle that was pegged near
zero in gkrellm (back in the init days) keep creeping farther
and farther towards the other side of the chart on a totally
idle system
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:52:51 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
...snip...
> > I find the nice to haves usefull all the time. Sorry you don't.
>
> That's it? I'm sorry you turned out to be such an arrogant prick in a
> single sentence. What's the point of people even trying to ppoint out
> why
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:17:37 -0400
Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:12:28 -0600
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> > The amount of memory and i/o is trivial, IMHO.
>
> Then why does the memory usage needle that was pegged near
> zero in gkrellm (back in the init days) keep creeping farther
>
Hi
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> That's it? I'm sorry you turned out to be such an arrogant prick in a
> single sentence.
>
Whoa. He just said he finds some of the features beneficial when you dont
and there is nothing arrogant about that. Please follow the Fed
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> What do you wonder about?
After looking at the release dates things are more clear to me:
v.24.7.0, released: July 22, 2014
v.31.0, released: July 22, 2014
v.24.8.0, released: September 2, 2014
v.31.1.0, released: September 2, 2014
So it make
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:20:50 -0600
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:52:51 +0200
> Wow, really? It's arrogant for me to state that I find some of the
> things you don't care about nice to have all the time and to express my
> sorrow that you don't?
No. What makes you arrogant, is th
>> The amount of memory and i/o is trivial, IMHO.
>
> Then why does the memory usage needle that was pegged near
> zero in gkrellm (back in the init days) keep creeping farther
> and farther towards the other side of the chart on a totally
> idle system ever since systemd showed up?
>
> Every new
F18/KDE
is there a App that connect to a Iphone and move files from the Iphone ?
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On 09/12/2014 05:36 PM, Mickey wrote:
> F18/KDE
>
> is there a App that connect to a Iphone and move files from the Iphone ?
>
Dropbox works just fine. Or are you looking for a media connection other
than iTunes?
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Hello,
I know that this is still a devel release, but it's worth noting that it
would appear that it's the standard way of detecting captive portals.
It would appear that chromium and windows both user similar detection
systems for captive portals. I can see this being quite a useful feature
for
On 09/12/2014 07:27 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
On 09/12/2014 05:36 PM, Mickey wrote:
F18/KDE
is there a App that connect to a Iphone and move files from the Iphone ?
Dropbox works just fine. Or are you looking for a media connection other
than iTunes?
Mainly just to move files from Iphone to
On 09/12/2014 08:37 PM, Mickey wrote:
On 09/12/2014 07:27 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
On 09/12/2014 05:36 PM, Mickey wrote:
F18/KDE
is there a App that connect to a Iphone and move files from the
Iphone ?
Dropbox works just fine. Or are you looking for a media connection other
than iTunes?
On 09/12/14 08:26, Dan Irwin wrote:
> Dan Williams replied over on the NetworkManager list. He suggested rebuilding
> and installing NetworkManager from F21.
Question
Was it sufficient for you to rebuild and install NetworkManager and
NetworkManager-glib only?
Thanks,
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On 12.09.2014 18:31, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:56:34 +0200
> poma wrote:
>
>> On 12.09.2014 10:06, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:37:13 -0600
>>> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>>
Well, sorry you think so. I think systemd is far from perfect, but
it's a go
Ed Greshko ha scrito il 11/09/2014 alle 01:24:
On 09/11/14 06:24, antonio wrote:
I knew the systemctl way of switching, but I am lazy (and love the graphical
tool): I hope that maintainer will report some improvement in a fairly short
time, in the meantime I will see if kdm has no issues..
Tnx
On 09/13/14 14:22, antonio montagnani wrote:
> Ed Greshko ha scrito il 11/09/2014 alle 01:24:
>> On 09/11/14 06:24, antonio wrote:
>>> I knew the systemctl way of switching, but I am lazy (and love the
>>> graphical tool): I hope that maintainer will report some improvement in a
>>> fairly short
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