On 12.07.2014, Rick Stevens wrote:
> /proc, /sys and /dev are dynamically created at boot so backing them
> up is sort of a bad idea (well, backing them up is OK but restoring them
> would be bad).
Why would this be bad?
The content of those dirs is dynamically generated and of variable and
oft
On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
> (1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
> spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and
> subfolders.
[]
This is surely not an answer you would expect, but: Thunderbird is
badly suited to handle big a
On Jul 12, 2014 3:57 PM, "Heinz Diehl" wrote:
>
> On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote:
>
> > (1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
> > spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and
> > subfolders.
> []
>
> This is surely not an answer you
On 07/12/2014 08:34 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Rolf Turner sent:
(1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird
spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders
and subfolders.
You might want to try and find out if those times
On 11/07/14 21:42, Mike Wright wrote:
Hi all,
Following a recent kernel update I rebooted and can no longer use
Gnome3. I receive this error:
"Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the
system can't recover. All extensions have been disabled as a precaution."
Usua
On 12/07/14 17:32, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/12/14 12:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib64/thunderbird/libxul.so:
libdbus-glib-1.so.2: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
Couldn't load XPCOM.
Naturally I have no idea what this really means, or what if anything
can be done abo
On 12/07/14 17:41, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please
keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe*
--- "Do this, and then this, and then this " I understand a fair
bit o
Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager is
not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
The server is regularly updated to current
07/11/2014 11:22 PM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 11 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
Usually there is no mouse after this happens. A "return" returns me
to the login screen and I can choose one of the different desktops
from there, all of which work.
Do you have a second test login to try o
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 09:50 +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> The content of those dirs is dynamically generated and of variable and
> often temporary nature. Thus, it shouldn't do any harm restoring them.
Restoring /proc (if such a thing is even possible) would pretty much
guarantee screwing up your sy
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager
> subpackage:
You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd than
I am :-). I just put a batch of systemctl restart commands in
the rc.local file with differen
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your
> > system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
> a
> > really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangling things
> terribly.
>
> Though I a
On Jul 12 10:00, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
> server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager is
> not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.
>
Corinna Vinschen writes:
On Jul 12 10:00, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
> server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager
is
> not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
> /et
Tom Horsley writes:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager
> subpackage:
You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd than
I am :-). I just put a batch of systemctl restart commands in
the rc.loc
Hello,
You mean once I update to yet another kernel, things should be working
again? Would you mind explaining the reason for this hope?
Not sure about the quoted diff - I don't see how my problem is related to
backlights?
Thanks!
Best,
Oliver
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:1
Hello,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:12 PM, poma wrote:
>
> http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_t430
> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-drv-intel/bugs/all
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems#All_bug_reports
> ...
> output of the dmesg command ...
> htt
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
Or... file a bug if you think you have found one.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&version=20&compo
Kevin Fenzi writes:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
There's a very specific reason why I don't wish to do that.
Or... file a bug if you think you have f
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
> Now that I have your attention, the background is as follows. This is a
> server with only statically configured network interfaces. NetworkManager is
> not installed. All network interfaces are statically configured via
> /etc/sysconfig
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does install
AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the command acroread the Adobereader won't start and
nothing shows in /var/log/messages.
I Downloaded the AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.bin and installed it o
On 07/12/2014 02:07 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does install
AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the command acroread the Adobereader won't start and
nothing shows in /var/log/messages.
I Downloaded the AdbeRdr9.5.
On Jul 12 12:01, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Corinna Vinschen writes:
> [something]
> This is certainly a valid workaround for the bug.
>
> But this wasn't my point. I am looking for validation, based on the data I
> posted, that systemd's dependency resolution is broken.
> [...]
Hmm, ok. Let's try
On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
Or... file a bug if you think you have found one.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_b
I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've
shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free.
I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256, which matched.
I've got a 2gig usb stick. I followed the instructions on
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_creat
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:37:28 -0400
sean darcy wrote:
> I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've
> shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free.
>
> I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256, which matched.
>
> I've got a 2gig usb stick. I followe
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Edward M wrote:
On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
Or... file a bug if you think you have fou
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:05:59 -0400
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi writes:
>
> > So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
> > for a probably more detailed answer than you might get here.
>
> There's a very specific r
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
> Tried that this AM and it didn't work but an error message popped up
> long enough to see that it had a problem with
> gnome-shell-3.10.4-6.fc20.
>
> Yum erase/install gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool and all is well in
> happy land.
Hmm, I do
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:43:34 + (UTC)
Bill Oliver wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Edward M wrote:
>
> >
> > On 07/12/14 09:43, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >> So, I would encourage you to ask the systemd list:
> >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
> >> for a probably more
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:21:06 +0930
Tim wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
...snip...
> > Rhetorical question of the day: "Why are gnome3's hidden
> > directories named .gnome2 ?
I don't think it does.
gnome3 (along with most other applications and DE's have moved t
Tom H writes:
"NetworkManager-wait-online.service" has:
After=NetworkManager.service
Wants=network.target
Before=network.target network-online.target
Perhaps you should replicate that in "wait-for-network.service" for it
to behave as you intend it.
I assume that you can replicate "After=Ne
Kevin Fenzi writes:
> What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it
> to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it
> fixed or worked around than complaining about it in a place where no
> one will fix it.
Seeing the recent reactions in this list, what's
On 12.07.2014, Bill Oliver wrote:
> But then, I guess Gentoo is the only distro left
> that hasn't adopted systemd, or will be doing so shortly.
You could run Arch with openrc..
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On 7/12/2014 2:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:37:28 -0400
sean darcy wrote:
I've got a new HP laptop running Windows 8.1, with uefi boot. I've
shrunk the windows partition, so I have 500+ gigs free.
I've dl'd the F20 Xfce Live iso. I checked the sha256, which matched.
I've
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:52:30 -0400
sean darcy wrote:
> Thanks for the response.
>
> Not sure how else to verify the download. I ran sha256sum, and it
> matched
> https://fedoraproject.org/en/static/checksums/Fedora-Live-x86_64-20-CHECKSUM.
>
> If I use dd, will that boot under uefi? I thought
On 07/12/2014 12:52 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
I'm affected by a systemd bug, that I have no intention of
reporting. My workaround takes me far less time, than getting through
the endless layers of fanboys would.
You don't care, then, that if you're affected by this bug others are and
th
On 12 Jul 2014 21:52:22 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi writes:
>
> > What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it
> > to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it
> > fixed or worked around than complaining about it in a place where no
Joe Zeff writes:
> On 07/12/2014 12:52 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > I'm affected by a systemd bug, that I have no intention of
> > reporting. My workaround takes me far less time, than getting through
> > the endless layers of fanboys would.
>
> You don't care, then, that if you're affec
On 07/12/2014 01:20 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
Why bother? When trying to diagnose the problem, I found several
well-documented bug reports with the soame contet. Some were almost
old enough to get rid of their diapers. They haven't been resolved, so
why should I spend time on another futil
Kevin Fenzi writes:
> On 12 Jul 2014 21:52:22 +0200
> Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>
> > Kevin Fenzi writes:
> >
> > > What would you suggest people do when they find a bug? Reporting it
> > > to the people who can fix it is very much more likely to get it
> > > fixed or worked around than com
On 12 Jul 2014 22:24:13 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > I'm not following your logic here.
> >
> > Given 2 ways of reacting to a bug:
> > A) complain about it on a users mailing list that few developers
> > follow.
> > B) report a bug on it that developers will see and be able to
> > res
Joe Zeff writes:
> On 07/12/2014 01:20 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > Why bother? When trying to diagnose the problem, I found several
> > well-documented bug reports with the soame contet. Some were almost
> > old enough to get rid of their diapers. They haven't been resolved, so
> > why s
HI
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 2:51 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
> Reminds me of this oldie:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1006386
I was looking for a bug report against Plymouth that is current.
Rahul
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Kevin Fenzi writes:
On 12 Jul 2014 22:24:13 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > I'm not following your logic here.
> >
> > Given 2 ways of reacting to a bug:
> > A) complain about it on a users mailing list that few developers
> > follow.
> > B) report a bug on it that developers will see and
On 07/12/2014 11:43 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
I really am starting to see this as an example of the Microsoft-ish
philosophy of "tell the users where they must go and let them catch up
as they can." It works when the users don't have any other choice. But
then, I guess Gentoo is the only distro le
On 07/12/2014 01:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
In this case, the wheel will get a pail of water, when the squeek
starts smoldering. So - even if I jinx my effort by stating the
intention - my best option is angst-inducing vague posts on a
non-technical mailing list.
I may well be wrong, b
On 12.07.2014, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> C) Report a bug and be ignored, told to fsck off to someplace else,
> and be ridiculed to boot.
I fully understand your reaction.
I reported a (quite different) bug with systemd and got zero
response. After some (longer) time, I finally got a re
Sam Varshavchik writes:
> I think that systemd should not be fixed. I think it should be
> dumped, and replaced. It's fundamentally broken, even without this
> latest fallout. So, why would I want to report systemd bugs, and
> help improve it? I can't think of any reason why I'd want to do
> that
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:45:56 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
> put in
> what you think an "old-school" linux should have and call it Steampunk
> Linux to grab a bit of glamour
No, call it "potskedeerf" linux, and make the guiding principle
be that nothing advocated by freedesktop is included in the
distr
Joe Zeff writes:
> On 07/12/2014 01:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> > In this case, the wheel will get a pail of water, when the squeek
> > starts smoldering. So - even if I jinx my effort by stating the
> > intention - my best option is angst-inducing vague posts on a
> > non-technical mai
On 12 Jul 2014 22:59:31 +0200
Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> Sam Varshavchik writes:
>
> > I think that systemd should not be fixed. I think it should be
> > dumped, and replaced. It's fundamentally broken, even without this
> > latest fallout. So, why would I want to report systemd bugs, and
> >
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 07/12/2014 11:43 AM, Bill Oliver wrote:
I really am starting to see this as an example of the Microsoft-ish
philosophy of "tell the users where they must go and let them catch up
as they can." It works when the users don't have any other choice. But
On 12.07.2014 15:28, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 12/07/14 17:41, poma wrote:
On 12.07.2014 06:51, Rolf Turner wrote:
...
***Is*** there anything that can be done about it? If so, what? Please
keep it simple and explicit, if you would be so kind. I need a *recipe*
--- "Do this, and then this, and t
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:13:12 -0400
Mickey wrote:
>
> On 07/12/2014 02:07 PM, Mickey wrote:
> > Fedora 20 /KDE
> >
> > yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does
> > install AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
> >
> > but when I run the command acroread the Adobereader won't start
On 07/12/2014 02:10 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:
Yeah, I know. Thanks for that useful suggestion.
Any time. And, I wasn't even intending to be sarcastic. I wanted to
point out that, unlike Windows, if you don't like the way Linux works,
you're free in every sense of the word to Do Something abo
On 12.07.2014 18:34, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:
Hello,
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:12 PM, poma wrote:
http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_t430
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/xorg-x11-drv-intel/bugs/all
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems#All_bug_reports
..
On 07/12/14 21:18, Rolf Turner wrote:
> Nearly there I think. I downloaded the second tarball (I *do* prefer British
> English) and unpacked it; I cd-ed to the resulting thunderbird directory and
> executed ./thunderbird. The program started OK --- I am now using it (i.e. I
> am using thunderb
Hi,
how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?
It seems that the code of conduct the moderators are referring to
actually means that everyone who disagrees will be silenced. If that is
so, just say so.
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:55:51 +0200
lee wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how long do the moderators intend to delay my messages?
If you are referring to the ones in the 'why do we use systemd?' thread
then I suspect it's forever, as that thread was closed.
> It seems that the code of conduct the moderators a
On 07/12/2014 05:24 PM, bitlord wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:13:12 -0400
Mickey wrote:
On 07/12/2014 02:07 PM, Mickey wrote:
Fedora 20 /KDE
yum -y localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm Yum does
install AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm
but when I run the command acroread the Adober
On 13/07/14 03:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your
system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do
a
really half-arsed job at restore and backup, mangli
On 13/07/14 12:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 07/13/14 07:35, Rolf Turner wrote:
Yes, I had to muck around a bit to get Adobe Reader installed; yum
didn't "directly" work (probably because my Fedora 17 is EOL).
According to notes that I kept, the recipe (found somewhere on the
web) that I used was:
On 13/07/14 09:11, poma wrote:
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems.
It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very
helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop on
which I have superuser privileges and am
On 07/13/14 08:32, Rolf Turner wrote:
>
>
>> Now, you probably will run into a bit of difficulty or
>> inconvenience.You have 2 copies of t-bird installed. One is well integrated
>> with
>> Fedora. The other not. So, if you were to click on a mailto: link in a
>> web page, the older version of T-B
Hi Sam,
I don't know anything about Systemd, nor have I read the rest of
the responses to this, but just looking at the logical interpretation of
your named-chroot.service statements it seems to me that you are
requesting that named-chroot.service be started after network.target but
before
Hi Mickey,
This might be a moot point, but have you tried deleting the
adobereader profile in your home directory, which fixed my 9.5.5 64bit
reader problem when its execution produced errors about being unable to
read a file?
regards,
Steve
On 07/13/2014 09:37 AM, Mickey wrote:
On 07/
Stephen Morris writes:
Hi Sam,
I don't know anything about Systemd, nor have I read the rest of the
responses to this, but just looking at the logical interpretation of your
named-chroot.service statements it seems to me that you are requesting that
Well, technically it's not "my" name
07/12/2014 11:55 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:21:06 +0930
Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 12 July 2014, Mike Wright sent:
...snip...
Rhetorical question of the day: "Why are gnome3's hidden
directories named .gnome2 ?
I don't think it does.
gnome3 (along with most other
On 07/13/2014 02:36 AM, Rolf Turner wrote:
On 13/07/14 09:11, poma wrote:
Always try to contact the admins if there are problems.
It is always good practice.
I have in the past not found the U. of Auckland IT people to be very
helpful. They don't like the fact that I am using my own laptop
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