Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jan Zelený
On 6. 6. 2014 at 16:56:18, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 14:46 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: > > Hello, > > > > The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're > > wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they > > have got recently

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jan Zelený
On 6. 6. 2014 at 09:20:33, Luke Nath wrote: > > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:46:23 +0200 > > From: akozu...@redhat.com > > To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org; yum-de...@lists.baseurl.org; > > users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Save everybody some surprises in > > Fedora 22! > > > > Hello, > > > >

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jan Zelený
On 7. 6. 2014 at 13:08:42, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Sudhir Khanger wrote: > >> The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're > > > > wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they have > > got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/09/2014 12:48 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: Nope, yumex has only a very little to do with yum, it's a separate project. You can use PackageKit or the GNOME software center which will both soon use the same underlying libraries dnf uses. And what do I use if I don't use Gnome but want a GUI? -- us

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jan Zelený
On 8. 6. 2014 at 09:45:44, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/06/14 20:46, Ales Kozumplik wrote: > > The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're > > wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they > > have got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/09/14 15:59, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 8. 6. 2014 at 09:45:44, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 06/06/14 20:46, Ales Kozumplik wrote: >>> The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're >>> wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they >>> have got recently i

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jan Zelený
On 9. 6. 2014 at 00:58:31, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/09/2014 12:48 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > > Nope, yumex has only a very little to do with yum, it's a separate > > project. > > You can use PackageKit or the GNOME software center which will both soon > > use the same underlying libraries dnf uses. >

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 06/08/2014 02:02 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: For me, the essential properties of yum are simplicity and reliability. Thanks Timothy for bringing this up. The focus in DNF development is on those priorities just as much as on speed. Users experience very little problems with the stable releas

Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

2014-06-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 8 June 2014 23:40, David wrote: > It took a while but I remembered that from school. But I admit that I > had to Google search it for reference. > > So? The people here are, mostly, ordinary people that try to help > people with problems. Insulting *paid help* is just stupid. Insulting > *free

Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

2014-06-09 Thread Liam Proven
On 8 June 2014 22:54, Doug wrote: > I'd have the file in 20 minutes or so. The estimate was 4 1/2 hours! I said to > go ahead, and then after about 2 1/2 hours I accidentally aborted it. I'll try > again late tonite. Hi Doug. Good to hear from you again. If you are using Firefox to download, th

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:59:15AM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > > till October) will give folks plenty of time to hone their dnf skills. > > IMO, for many (majority?) it will be a drop-in replacement for yum. > Yes, that's the plan. There are some differences but they are all well > documented. Is

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 04:14:01PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel I think this and the protected-packages behavior in general is important to carry forward. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/09/14 20:30, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 04:14:01PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel > I think this and the protected-packages behavior in general is important to > carry forward. > Make sure you make your opinion known here.

Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Andre Robatino
> The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're > wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they > have got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together a > very short and simple survey. Let your opinion be heard! > http://dnf.baseur

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 08:30:01 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:59:15AM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > > > till October) will give folks plenty of time to hone their dnf skills. > > > IMO, for many (majority?) it will be a drop-in replacement for yum. > > Yes, that's the plan. T

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:06:32PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel > > I think this and the protected-packages behavior in general is important to > > carry forward. > Make sure you make your opinion known here. > http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/06/

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/09/14 21:47, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:06:32PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel >>> I think this and the protected-packages behavior in general is important to >>> carry forward. >> Make sure you make your opinion known

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 10:03:06PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > I did, although I suppose I can vote more than once if it helps. :) > Yes. But make sure you use an assumed name. :-) For the record, I'm not actually voting more than once. :) -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader -- users

Re: Install problem (Fedora 20-32bit

2014-06-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 17:49 -0400, David wrote: > > Use a torrent download (the same site has torrent versions). It's > likely > > to be faster, not to mention easier to restart partial downloads. > > > > poc > > > > > His complaint was that his download did not complete. A torrent would > be >

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Juan P. Daza P.
I'm using version 0.3.11 and the proxy options are not used when update, install, etc. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Andre Robatino wrote: > > The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're > > wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they > > ha

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 09:45 +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 6. 6. 2014 at 16:56:18, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 14:46 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're > > > wondering: is there stuff p

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 00:58 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/09/2014 12:48 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > > Nope, yumex has only a very little to do with yum, it's a separate project. > > You can use PackageKit or the GNOME software center which will both soon > > use the same underlying libraries dnf uses.

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/09/2014 02:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:59:15AM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: till October) will give folks plenty of time to hone their dnf skills. IMO, for many (majority?) it will be a drop-in replacement for yum. Yes, that's the plan. There are some differences b

Re: losing WiFi Access - prompted for password

2014-06-09 Thread linux guy
I appear to have the same problem on one of my Fedora 20 machines. Was this ever solved ? On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Steven Stern < subscribed-li...@sterndata.com> wrote: > On 05/30/2013 11:41 AM, staticsafe wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:35:00AM -0500, Steven Stern wrote: > >> F

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Richard Hughes
On 9 June 2014 15:41, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > 1. Is there a yum compatibility test suite? It dnf is supposed to be a > drop-in replacement, not having one would seem grossly silly and should be > treated as "full stop show stopper". From someone that's had to work with the yum API in the past, I

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jan Zelený
On 9. 6. 2014 at 16:41:59, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 06/09/2014 02:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:59:15AM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > >>> till October) will give folks plenty of time to hone their dnf skills. > >>> IMO, for many (majority?) it will be a drop-in replacem

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/09/2014 05:00 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: On 9 June 2014 15:41, Ralf Corsepius wrote: 1. Is there a yum compatibility test suite? It dnf is supposed to be a drop-in replacement, not having one would seem grossly silly and should be treated as "full stop show stopper". From someone that's

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On 06/09/2014 04:15 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that they have got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've put together a very short and simple survey. Let your o

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 02:46:23PM +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: > Hello, > > The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. > We're wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF > that they have got recently in Yum? Or even something else! We've > put together a very

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Andre Robatino
Jonathan Dieter lesbg.com> writes: > > The list of missing yum options is both outdated and incomplete. For > > example, it's missing "includepkgs" (a repository option), for people who > > need to access specific packages from non-Fedora compatible repos. On the > > other hand, it includes "delt

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 06/07/14 12:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA > Those of us who have to consider "usage" are willing to wait for the rpm rebuilding >process Don't think you can speak for all of us. I don't prefer to wait at all and want the

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/09/2014 09:25 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: It appears fromhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF that everyone will have to start writing "dnf install ...", which (if true) invalidates a vast amount of existing documentation and scripts. alias dnf=yum HTH, HAND. -- use

Re: Trying do get F20 up

2014-06-09 Thread don fisher
On 06/07/14 20:07, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/08/14 10:15, don fisher wrote: All of the configuration files have changed from my previous version (I think it is F17). Is there documentation on how to set up acpi? Is there documentation of all of these other changes? I am command line orientated a

Re: Trying do get F20 up

2014-06-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/10/14 03:30, don fisher wrote: > Thanks for getting back. I receive a message from one of my older apps asking > if I have loaded the 'battery' module. The only documentation I see for acpid > does not go into how to configure for different modules. I looked under > /etc/acpi and co mentio

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen Morris
Hi, I had a look at dnf yesterday for the first time, I didn't know it existed until this thread. I have a query with its functionality that I'm not sure is an issue or whether its just the package manager I normally use that is being user friendly or doing things differently. I have th

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen Morris
On 06/09/2014 05:48 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 6. 6. 2014 at 09:20:33, Luke Nath wrote: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:46:23 +0200 From: akozu...@redhat.com To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org; yum-de...@lists.baseurl.org; users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen Morris
On 06/09/2014 05:45 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 6. 6. 2014 at 16:56:18, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 14:46 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote: Hello, The time when DNF will take over from Yum in Fedora is nearing. We're wondering: is there stuff people are still missing from DNF that

Plymouth Uses Wrong Boot-up Theme

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen Morris
Hi, I have just configured Plymouth is install a graphical theme into the initrd. I specified that I wanted the 'Solar Flares' theme to be used, which correctly gets used at shutdown, but at start up the 'Solar Flares' theme is not used, instead the 'Hotdog' theme is used. Is this a bug in

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/09/2014 07:50 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 06/07/14 12:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA > Those of us who have to consider "usage" are willing to wait for the rpm rebuilding >process Don't think you can s

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/10/14 05:16, Stephen Morris wrote: > Is PackageKit the only option for a kde user or is there something else which > could be used, like for example Smartpm? KDE's package management is "apper" -- Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wr

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/09/2014 05:49 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: On 9. 6. 2014 at 16:41:59, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/09/2014 02:30 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 09:59:15AM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: till October) will give folks plenty of time to hone their dnf skills. IMO, for many (majority?)

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: >> Why not "Vote for yum vs dnf"? >> What exactly is wrong with yum? >> It has worked faultlessly and painlessly for me for years, >> with addons to deal with every conceivable problem. >> If there is some problem with it, >> why not simply deal w

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/09/2014 12:48 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: >> >> Nope, yumex has only a very little to do with yum, it's a separate >> project. >> You can use PackageKit or the GNOME software center which will both soon >> use the same underlying libraries dnf use

Re: Trying do get F20 up

2014-06-09 Thread don fisher
On 06/07/14 20:07, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/08/14 10:15, don fisher wrote: All of the configuration files have changed from my previous version (I think it is F17). Is there documentation on how to set up acpi? Is there documentation of all of these other changes? I am command line orientated a

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Can we vote for features we want removed, like multilib? (Actually I guess > that is an rpm abomination, not a yum abomination, but it still ought > to be removed and all the rpms properly split into noarch, i686, and > x86_64 parts :-). Why?

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Justin Brown
I've been using DNF for a year or so primarily. The one gripe that I have is that DNF tends to avoid giving useful information with broken packages. A required package version isn't available? Yum will print out tons of information on which package failed, what version is installed, and what versio

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 15:25:33 -0700 T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > which > requires multilib i686 bits Properly split up rpms wouldn't "require" multilib. The abomination that is multilib introduces utter confusion by allowing 32 and 64 bit versions of rpms to both be installed when both claim to incl

Re: Plymouth Uses Wrong Boot-up Theme

2014-06-09 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Stephen Morris writes: Hi, I have just configured Plymouth is install a graphical theme into the initrd. I specified that I wanted the 'Solar Flares' theme to be used, which correctly gets used at shutdown, but at start up the 'Solar Flares' theme is not used, instead the 'Hotdog' them

Re: Plymouth Uses Wrong Boot-up Theme

2014-06-09 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 08:27:18PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Stephen Morris writes: > > >Hi, > >I have just configured Plymouth is install a graphical theme into the > >initrd. I specified that I wanted the 'Solar Flares' theme to be used, > >which correctly gets used at shutdown, but at

Re: F19 install and custom / RAID partitioning

2014-06-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:04 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: > The install has succeeded but when I reboot I get the following: > > Booting 'Fedora, with Linux 3.9.5-301.fc19.x86_64' > > error: failure reading sector 0xfc from 'hd1'. > error: failure reading sector 0xe0 from 'hd1'. > error: failur

Re: Plymouth Uses Wrong Boot-up Theme

2014-06-09 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 10/06/14 03:27, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Stephen Morris writes: Hi, I have just configured Plymouth is install a graphical theme into the initrd. I specified that I wanted the 'Solar Flares' theme to be used, which correctly gets used at shutdown, but at start up the 'Solar Flares' theme i

Re: Save everybody some surprises in Fedora 22!

2014-06-09 Thread Ales Kozumplik
On 06/09/2014 11:13 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: I have the akmod.nvidia and kmod.nvidia proprietary drivers installed and when they are updated, the package manager I use tells me about the packages that have to be uninstalled in order to do the update (this package manager seems to uninstall