Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/23/2011 06:22 PM, Craig White wrote: > Seems as though it's awful easy to whine but none of the whiners > actually want to do any of the work. > You know, I get awful tired of people saying that and ignoring the fact that most people aren't computer programmers and those who are generally

Re: strange behaviour of my desktop

2011-09-24 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:54 +0200, antoniomontagn...@gmail.com wrote: > yes, fans seems to work fine... I'll add the obvious: It's not enough that they spin, there has to be airflow through the heatsink that the fans blow across, and throughout the cabinet. Also, heatsinks need to make good phys

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 00:28 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/23/2011 06:22 PM, Craig White wrote: > > Seems as though it's awful easy to whine but none of the whiners > > actually want to do any of the work. > > > > You know, I get awful tired of people saying that and ignoring the fact > that most

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread suvayu ali
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Native Linux 64-bit binaries are available. Not quite: $ sudo yum history info 337 ... Command Line : update google-talkplugin ... Packages Altered: Updated google-talkplugin-2.2.2.0-1.x86_64 Update

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: > > How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their > > telephone number. > Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. > Read the skype instructions for how to use. > To use, you need the skype addresses

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: > > Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. > The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account > for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model borne out of > Xerox PARC... a keyboard, scre

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: > >> Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. >> The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account >> for the fact that computers are extending beyond the mo

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread pct...@mybellybutton.com
  On September 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM "Daniel B. Thurman" wrote: > On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > > On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: > > > >> Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. > >> The GNOME developers have made a decision to reva

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 10:02 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > +1 Did you read the part about trimming posts or is this some strange postmodern joke? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-24 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 09/24/2011 07:36 AM, charles zeitler wrote: > Do what thou wilt > shall be the whole of the Law. > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> Alan Cox is exactly right that the users of Fedora products get them >> free and one can make a strong case that therefore Fedora devel

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 11:43 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: > Things are as they should be because things are as they are. This is going way, way off topic, but that could be used as a justification for never changing anything. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription o

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 10:26 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: > > > > > > Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. > > The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account > > for the fact that computers are

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-24 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 09/25/2011 04:17 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/24/2011 11:43 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: >> Things are as they should be because things are as they are. > > This is going way, way off topic, but that could be used as a > justification for never changing anything. Or for changing everything. "Everything" enc

Disk Sleep ??

2011-09-24 Thread retired
F15 Starting Firefox and computer freezes for about 30 sec. and Monitor shows "Disk Sleep" Below is /var/log/messages, this output happens through out messages. I also ran a long term Hard Disk test on /dev/sda with smartctl and that output is shown below. Any Ideals ?? kernel: [253186.023

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
That is true since I received the message in my inbox. I an including the contents below On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 13:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > You appear to have sent this only to me and not to the list. > > > poc > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Aaron Konstam > wrote: >

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 12:12 PM, Craig White wrote: > The flat earth people apparently don't want to believe that > the telephone in my pocket with an 854x480 screen is actually a computer > and yes, someday I just might want to be able to run Fedora or Ubuntu on > it. Please keep *argumentum ad hominem* o

Re: "fans seems to work fine" & "It's not enough that they spin"...

2011-09-24 Thread Linda McLeod
Re: strange behaviour of my desktop "yes, fans seems to work fine..." "I'll add the obvious: It's not enough that they spin, there has to be airflow through the heatsink that the fans blow across, and throughout the cabinet. Also, heatsinks need to make good physical contact with what they're

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/24/2011 10:40 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 10:02 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: >> +1 > Did you read the part about trimming posts or is this some strange > postmodern joke? > > poc yes. ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or chang

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/24/2011 09:16 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > The phone company is glad to give me peoples phone numbers, so that > seems like a better way to reach people. Skype has a good lookup feature that allows you to find Skype IDs by entering either a real name or an email address. The lookup returns al

Re: Disk Sleep ??

2011-09-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/24/2011 02:56 PM, retired wrote: > 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 185 185 140Pre-fail Always > - 114 > 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 192 192 000Old_age Always > - 428 That drive is seriously sick, with 114 bad sectors already reallocated

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 13:03 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/24/2011 12:12 PM, Craig White wrote: > > The flat earth people apparently don't want to believe that > > the telephone in my pocket with an 854x480 screen is actually a computer > > and yes, someday I just might want to be able to run Fedor

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 02:20 PM, Craig White wrote: > fair enough though I'm not certain that it doesn't add anything to my > point... especially when it comes in response to an overtly sarcastic > comment, specifically: > >> > lets >>> > > not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and ma

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Roger
On 25/09/11 00:16, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: >>> How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their >>> telephone number. >> Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. >> Read the skype instructions for how to

Re: selinux is a pain

2011-09-24 Thread Martin Cigorraga
Hi Andreas, "SELinux has wasted too much time of my life over the years, so I decided to no longer use it. I keep my computers up to date and configure them properly. If that isn't enough, bad luck." You shoudn't have any problems at all... c'on, it's GNU/Linux! Even a local firewall is obsolete d

CUPS/LPD Configuration problem

2011-09-24 Thread Geoffrey Leach
I have an HP LaserJet 1300 connected to thru a parallel to USB converter. Configuration on F13 was easy; F14 discovered the printer by itself. Now, with F15 I can't figure out how to navigate through the CUPS options. an anyone provide me some direction? Thanks. -- users mailing list users@li

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 14:32 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/24/2011 02:20 PM, Craig White wrote: > > fair enough though I'm not certain that it doesn't add anything to my > > point... especially when it comes in response to an overtly sarcastic > > comment, specifically: > > > >> > lets > >>> > >

Re: selinux is a pain

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 21:19 -0300, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > Hi Andreas, > "SELinux has wasted too much time of my life over the years, > so I decided to no longer use it. I keep my computers up to date > and configure them properly. If that isn't enough, bad luck." > > You shoudn't have any probl

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 07:36 PM, Craig White wrote: > I think it's rather analogous. > > This is not the first time that you have impressed me with your ability > to create inference out of your own impressions. > It may or may not be a valid analogy, but it's certainly phrased in an insulting way. I'l

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/24/2011 05:20 PM, Craig White wrote: > >> lets >>> not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a >>> call ... are you? > > You seem to be conveniently ignoring the context. > > Craig > > So did you a bit - I put a smiley in there ... my comment was light hearte

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Olav Vitters
Can we get back to LXDE, GNOME or anything Fedora related? -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: selinux is a pain

2011-09-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/24/2011 09:43 PM, Craig White wrote: >if you are pre-disposed to > creating files in one location and moving them to an entirely different > location which is certain to create contextual problems. If there is a reasonably small set of locations into which you are habitually moving f