On September 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM "Daniel B. Thurman" <d...@cdkkt.com> wrote:
> On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> > On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote:
> >
> >> Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here.
> >> The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account
> >> for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model borne out of
> >> Xerox PARC... a keyboard, screen and mouse. They are attempting to
> >> satisfy display scenarios that might be as small as a telephone to very
> >> large and often multiple large displays. They are attempting to satisfy
> >> the fact that keyboards and mice might be eschewed in favor of touch
> >> input and gestures. They are attempting to satisfy the notion that usage
> >> embraces work flow and workspace(s) and not just application launching.
> > Its one thing to add tablet/phone ("metro") mode - its another to make
> > laptops (or desktops) much more difficult to use.
> >
> >> You can't go to the Ford dealer and buy a brand new 1957 Thunderbird but
> >> essentially that is what is being asked of here... an eternal version of
> >> GNOME that was envisioned and started 10 years ago.
> > Problem with argument by analogy is that it often makes little sense.
> >
> > Every car you buy still has wheels just as the very first ones did
> > (support for keyboard) .. and they all have a steering wheel (a mouse)
> > ... and they all have an engine and a speedometer ... what has happened
> > to cars is largely additions and automation to make things easier
> > (headlamps that track steering - they wisely did not remove headlamps) -
> > switch to LED lights (not remove lights) ... add auto-back-off cruise
> > control for collision avoidance (not force mouse to move to top left)
> > ... etc ec
> >> I can appreciate that long time computer users who only use a keyboard,
> >> mouse and screen and little adaptability to how they interact with
> >> grander concepts of work flow and workspace might want to drive the 1957
> >> Thunderbird forever and if there is a sufficient number of modestly
> >> skilled users, they can keep repairing the Thunderbird forever. I wish
> >> them luck.
> > Its not the users - its the vehicle - when I'm using a phone/tablet
> > i'll use the tablet version... when I'm using my multi core server I
> > have no touch sensitive screen ... when I'm flying a plane I'll use
> > different controls than driving a car (or a boat). Don't force me to use
> > boat controls for my plane if you don't mind :-)
> >
> > I would take your point really to mean we should offer a phone/tablet
> > spin as well as a lap/desk top spin. The default spin ... I have no view
> > ... however only having a phone spin for fedora is silly.
> >
> > Of course we have the other DE's which are better suited - so my
> > suggestion is move Gnome-3 to a tablet spin and make KDE or LXDE or
> > XFCE the desktop spin and be done with this silly bickering.
> >
> > Vote for which is the default spin or base it on percent of
> > tablets/phones running fedora if you prefer.
> >
> > Gnome 3 is not -the- future - its just todays tablet spin ..
> >> Then again, even the most casual reading of the intent of Fedora makes
> >> it clear that it embraces the latest technology advances and those who
> >> just want things to remain as they are should probably not be using
> >> Fedora but something like RHEL or CentOS which provide long term
> >> non-change by intent.
> > One must use the right tool for the job - the "latest" here is the
> > phone spin - doesn't mean we should switch that for all devices ... lets
> > not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a
> > call ... are you? :-)
> >
> > gene
> +1
I find it ironic that the people that were screaming about KDE when they went
this route are defending Gnome for going the same route..... --
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