Re: do i need a dedicated ip address for https?

Around 06:53am on Wednesday, December 22, 2010 (UK time), S Mathias scrawled: > http://help.godaddy.com/article/1054 > > "# Set up SSL protection on your website." > > is it an inescapable requirement to have a dedicated [not fix] ip address, > when i want to use ssl on my domain? You can use

F14 and qtnx client

Hi all, somebody has been successful in connecting the qtnx client to a server running the nxserver from nomachine? Wondering about the fact that there are only *fc11* versions of the qtnx client software :-) If starting qtnx after having configured it, I only get an error msg like

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:30 AM, James McKenzie wrote: Sure, how to get this book? Is it available online somewhere? > Not legally, anywhere. However, the Second Edition is available from > Amazon and other book retailers. It is not very expensive. It would > cost me more to mail you the extra

Re: About programing, a general question

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:45 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: Used this book when I took a programming class at the University of > Maryland, Seoul, Korea in the mid 1990s. Yes, it is a very good book on how > to properly write and code programs. I'll have to keep in it mind when > talking to a certain

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:30 AM, James McKenzie wrote: Not legally, anywhere. However, the Second Edition is available from > Amazon and other book retailers. It is not very expensive. It would > cost me more to mail you the extra copy I have to you than it would be > to buy it (even in the Uni

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Matt Smith wrote: Can we please get c++ involved in the discussion, it runs circles > around C on all levels.. > Ok. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/18/2010 06:41 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Matt Smith > wrote: > > > Go with C++, easiest jump to every language. The reverse is not true > for any other language. > > > > Ok, I see, it is having a zillion of options in

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:08 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 < n2xssvv.g02gfr12...@ntlworld.com> wrote: I agree with it being easier to migrate from C++, rather than to C++. > Unfortunately C++ probably has a longer learning curve than most other > programming languages. But the choice of programming lang

Re: F14 and qtnx client

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi all, > > somebody has been successful in connecting the qtnx client to a server > running the nxserver from nomachine? > > Wondering about the fact that there are only *fc11* versions of the qtnx > client software :-) > > If starting qtnx

Re: do i need a dedicated ip address for https?

On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 22:53 -0800, S Mathias wrote: > http://help.godaddy.com/article/1054 > > "# Set up SSL protection on your website." > > is it an inescapable requirement to have a dedicated [not fix] ip > address, when i want to use ssl on my domain? The method used for virtual name based

Re: do i need a dedicated ip address for https?

The SSL with a dedicated IP is the 'supposed' way of how to SSL should be work, If you are using Apache as web server you can use the SNI with GnuTLS... last week I had to setup a 3 sites on same server with https, and its working fine so far. On Nginx you can recompile with SNI support, but I did

Re: About programing, a general question

"n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" wrote: >Sent: Dec 22, 2010 3:38 AM >To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: About programing, a general question > >On 12/18/2010 06:41 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Matt Smith > > wrote: >> >> >> Go wit

Re: About programing, a general question

Parshwa Murdia wrote: >Sent: Dec 22, 2010 3:11 AM >To: Community support for Fedora users >Subject: Re: About programing, a general question > >On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:30 AM, James McKenzie >wrote: > >Not legally, anywhere. However, the Second Edition is available from >> Amazon and other book

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: I'll stick with my original recommendation of learning Java for OOP. C++ > requires recompliation for each and every platform you want to run a program > on. The concept of 'this' is also encorporated in Java as well as any OO > programming

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: It is the 'bible' for programming in C and discusses everything in the > language. You can also find the ANSI/ISO standards as well on the Internet > (for free). > Can you give me the link for it in internet. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/21/2010 08:18 PM, Matt Smith wrote: > Can we please get c++ involved in the discussion, it runs circles > around C on all levels.. Basically, my company's product is written almost entirely in C++ and after having been around C++ for a while, IMHO, it happens to be reasonably well written and

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Basically, my company's product is written almost entirely in C++ and > after having been around C++ for a while, IMHO, it happens to be > reasonably well written and structured. In contrast I have been involved > with some C++ that was essent

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/21/2010 03:48 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Jerry Feldman > wrote: > > I learned C from K&R, from the tutorial that was included with > Unix, and > the fact that I was told I had to maintain the Unix CShell. > Fortunately >

Re: About programing, a general question

I suggested it for that reason, you can use c++ very easily as if it was C and this allows for a much easier transition in the future. C++ can be anything from super easy to super hard. There are many texts that teach it on a basic level which is not much different than C. On 12/22/10, Jerry F

Re: About programing, a general question

Parshwa Murdia wrote: > >On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, James Mckenzie >wrote: > >It is the 'bible' for programming in C and discusses everything in the >> language. You can also find the ANSI/ISO standards as well on the Internet >> (for free). >> > > >Can you give me the link for it in intern

OpenVPN with NetworkManager

Hi, I was able to configure a VPN connection with the networkmanager-openvpn module, but I have absolutely no idea now how could I actually connect to the configured VPN... On Ubuntu you can actually pick in the VPN Connections tray menu a configuration to use, but on Fedora I just can't find i

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 10:52 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 12/21/2010 03:48 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Jerry Feldman > > wrote: > > > Yes and no. It is related to an understanding of what a computer really > does. While CPUs today are ver

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 11:55 AM, James Mckenzie wrote: > Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, James Mckenzie >> wrote: >> >> It is the 'bible' for programming in C and discusses everything in the >>> language. You can also find the ANSI/ISO standards as well on the Internet >>> (for f

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > I agree with it being easier to migrate from C++, rather than to C++. > Unfortunately C++ probably has a longer learning curve than most other > programming languages. But the choice of programming language should > really be decided by the type of

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/16/2010 12:02 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > hi, > > If one has to start from the scratch, from the zeroth level to do the > programing, which programing language one should start with? In the > ocean of the languages, to start with is really very typical. Can one > justify it. Some say Pytho

Re: About programing, a general question

> "Michael" == Michael Hennebry writes: Michael> On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> I agree with it being easier to migrate from C++, rather than to >> C++. Unfortunately C++ probably has a longer learning curve than >> most other programming languages. But th

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/21/2010 8:18 PM, Matt Smith wrote: > Can we please get c++ involved in the discussion, it runs circles > around C on all levels.. > > Not in terms of executable file size or speed of execution. I took a course in high performance scientific computing. An experiment we performed was to

Re: F14 and qtnx client

On 12/22/2010 02:04 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Wondering about the fact that there are only *fc11* versions of the qtnx > client software :-) Two things: first, this just means that the program hasn't changed since Fedora 11, so there's been no need to rebuild the package. Second, you're going

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Once you have a firm grasp of the concepts of programming, you can move on > to things like OOP. > > -- > Jerry Feldman > That is the real thing! Whatever be the language, the computer process is one to process that!! -- Regards, Parshwa

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Matt Smith wrote: I suggested it for that reason, you can use c++ very easily as if it > was C and this allows for a much easier transition in the future. C++ > can be anything from super easy to super hard. There are many texts > that teach it on a basic level

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: Wikipedia has an article on the ANSI C standards. > > James McKenzie > Wikipedia is the father of articles, it would be having articles on all the things! -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: About programing, a general question

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, William Case wrote: > From: William Case > Subject: Re: About programing, a general question > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 8:56 AM > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 10:52 -0500, > Jerry Feldman wrote: > > On 12/21/2010 03:48 PM, P

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:26 PM, William Case wrote: > There is always a reason why things are done the way they are. > > -- > Regards Bill Correct. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admi

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Books like K&R second edition are written in a more understandable format. > > -- > Jerry Feldman > I agree. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Michael Hennebry < henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote: The *default* should be python even for object-oriented stuff. > Python allows polymorphism and operator overloading. > There are important differences: > In python, one cannot declare the type of a variabl

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 12:20 PM, David Liguori wrote: > Not in terms of executable file size or speed of execution. I took a > course in high performance scientific computing. An experiment we > performed was to write a program for the sum of three huge arrays, > repeated for larger and larger arrays, un

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 01:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Top down design, procedures, arrays, pointers, etc. Other object oriented > programming. Techniques, algorithms,..., etc. Those were the good old days > :) Now there is java, looks like C++ but there is no , , > ..., There was no way to get u

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, David Liguori wrote: But higher-level languages like C and Fortran ultimately produce a stream of > ones and > zeros that correspond to these instructions, source and target > registers, and data. > Any language (whatever be it is), I think finally is processed

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: But not design-by-contract. So Eiffel should be the default. > -- > Colin Adams > The person who is engaged with a programing language for years or who has spent years in some particular or one programing language cannot say other to go

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:50 PM, David Liguori wrote: I don't know about the Fortran or Java (which is not, > strictly speaking, a "compiled" language). > Oh I see. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: int max 32768 > int min -32768 > > Need to use long declarations, I remember this 14-15 years ago :) > > It was fun! But wanted to finish school so I stopped taking comp. science > classes. Now it is Java, my nephew knows it, but does not

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 01:22 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:37 PM, David Liguori > wrote: > > But higher-level languages like C and Fortran ultimately produce a > stream of ones and > zeros that correspond to these instructions, source and tar

Re: About programing, a general question

On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 13:54 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 12/21/2010 01:16 PM, William Case wrote > > I am not a programmer, but I wanted the answer you seem to want. How > > does the damn thing work? More explicitly: > > > > How does human understandable information get converted by a machin

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: There is considerable more overhead in compiling a C++ program. I would > probably guess that FORTRAN would win. Another issue is optimization. > Optimization can make major differences. On some RISC platforms we not > only used compiler opti

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > Top down design, procedures, arrays, pointers, etc. Other object oriented > programming. Techniques, algorithms,..., etc. Those were the good old days > :) Now there is java, looks like C++ but there is no , > , ..., There was no way to

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: "C Programming: A Modern Approach" by King as it was a simpler book. > > -- > Jerry Feldman > I guess the better could be the same by K&R! -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:01 PM, les wrote: But as I recall, the alpha had some vector extensions and bytecoding > extensions that enabled faster indexing, which is why it ran faster with > indexed arrays ;-) > > And as to representation, if you go to assembly language the choice of > octal or he

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 15:43 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Matt Smith wrote: > > Can we please get c++ involved in the discussion, it runs > circles > around C on all levels.. > > > > > Ok. > > > -- > > Regards, > Pa

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, les wrote: Since C++ is a preprocessor to C, how does it run circles around C? > Just asking. > > Regards, > Les H > Absolutely no idea dude! -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscriptio

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 05:31 AM, les wrote: > > But as I recall, the alpha had some vector extensions and bytecoding > extensions that enabled faster indexing, which is why it ran faster with > indexed arrays ;-) > > And as to representation, if you go to assembly language the choice of > octal or hex is of

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Since I cowrote the Alpha assembler for Windows NT and Tru64 Unix. Most > of the RISC chips had a large number of general purpose registers. The > trick is to use them effectively. You can easily use one as a base > register and one as an ind

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 01:40 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, les > wrote: > > Since C++ is a preprocessor to C, how does it run circles around C? > Just asking. > > C++ is NOT a preprocessor to C. Some of the original C++ systems certainly w

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: A properly optimized simple C++ program should be able to perform as well > as C. -- > Jerry Feldman > Simply say, C++ is the daughter of C which has become more advanced. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.f

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 01:52 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jerry Feldman > wrote: > > A properly optimized simple C++ program should be able to perform > as well > as C. > > -- > Jerry Feldman > > > > Simply say, C++ is the daughter

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 13:49 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 12/22/2010 01:40 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, les > > wrote: > > > > Since C++ is a preprocessor to C, how does it run circles around C? > > Just asking. > > > > > C+

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:05 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 12/22/2010 01:52 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jerry Feldman > > wrote: > > > > A properly optimized simple C++ program should be able to perform > > as well > > as C.

Re: [389-users] issues with 1.2.7.5

I think you're supposed to login to the 389-console with the admin user not your directory manager. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Robert Viduya < robert+...@shangri-la.ts.gatech.edu >wrote: > I'm having problems trying to get a clean install of 1.2.7.5 working. > We're running RHEL5 and I hav

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 06:06 AM, les wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 13:49 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> On 12/22/2010 01:40 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, les >> > wrote: >>> >>> Since C++ is a preprocessor to C, how does it run circles aroun

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:42:47 -0500 Jerry Feldman wrote: > Basically, C++ is not going to work well in a high performance > computing environment. Templates and inheritance have their place. In > essence C++ and other OOP models should be designed. While that goes > for all code, a poorly designed

Re: About programing, a general question

I have to disagree, if utilized properly managing memory, optimizing the cache, etc is very possible with c++ and can absolutely work well in a high performance environment On 12/22/10, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 12/22/2010 06:06 AM, les wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 13:49 -0500, Jerry Feldman

Re: various errors related to configuration

les wrote: > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 10:17 -0600, Hugh Brown wrote: >> Les wrote: >>> I started with an evolution configuration error, and now a >>> Firefox/Mozilla configuration error, so it appears to me that this might >>> be a system level error. Maybe some file or directory permissions >>> issu

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 03:07 AM, les wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 14:05 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: >> On 12/22/2010 01:52 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jerry Feldman>> > wrote: >>> >>> A properly optimized simple C++ program should be able to p

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: I also don't like to get into discussions about what is > the best language. But you only told all this about C++!! > -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 12:08 PM, Matt Smith wrote: > I have to disagree, if utilized properly managing memory, optimizing > the cache, etc is very possible with c++ and can absolutely work well > in a high performance environment If you can't do what's needed in FORTRAN, you can't do it. Back in the ea

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:36 PM, les wrote: I also must be showing my age ;-:) (showing the toothless, dentureless > smile) > You must be highly experienced! > The largest code I ever personally developed was just over 40,000 lines. > > > Regards, > Les H > And you use the word 'just' her

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:37 PM, les wrote: VERY well said. Thank you Jerry! > > Regards, > Les H > Yes. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Gui

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Basically, C++ is not going to work well in a high performance computing > environment. Templates and inheritance have their place. In essence C++ > and other OOP models should be designed. While that goes for all code, a > poorly designed C++

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Jussi Lehtola < jussileht...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: Traditionally high performance computing programs have been written in > Fortran, then some C, but nowadays many of the new codes are C++, > simply because OOP makes it a *lot* faster to develop a bug-free code

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Matt Smith wrote: I have to disagree, if utilized properly managing memory, optimizing > the cache, etc is very possible with c++ and can absolutely work well > in a high performance environment You must have worked with C++ in a high performance environment.

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: I was on the ANSI C committee for a brief time when C was being spec'd > out back in the late '70s and early '80s. Our company was an early > adopter of Whitesmiths' C on Vaxen and PDP-11s. PJ Plaugher of > Whitesmiths was the first secretary

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: If you can't do what's needed in FORTRAN, you can't do it. Back in the > early '80s, I was working with Dan Alderson at JPL. We were doing work > with structures and pointer arithmetic, in FORTRAN77 because it was a > subroutine and function pack

Re: OpenOffice crashes compiz on F 14

A stacktrace would probably give more indication whats going on. - Clemens 2010/12/21 Kirk Lowery : > The subject line pretty well summarizes it. I've got a vanilla Fedora 14 > box, with the default theme and compiz enabled. Compiz works fine until I > try to do *anything* with Oo.o. Then it cras

Re: raid mdadm

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 22 Dec 2010, xinyou yan wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:30:16 +0800 > From: xinyou yan > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 > autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5 > Subject: rai

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/22/2010 12:08 PM, Matt Smith wrote: > > I have to disagree, if utilized properly managing memory, optimizing > > the cache, etc is very possible with c++ and can absolutely work well > > in a high performance environment > > > > If you c

Re: [389-users] issues with 1.2.7.5

On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Jazcek Braden wrote: > Robert, > > I too have noticed the bug in the 1.2.7 series, but haven't had time > to report in a meaningful manner. FYI I have found that when it tells > you don't have permission and asks you to re-auth if you click cancel > it will let you

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 12:54 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > http://johnreece.com/wordpress/2006/07/10/real-programmers-dont-use-fortran-either/ > > (I was but a tyke in those days, but my dad worked for Royal around the > time this legend takes place. He used to have publicity fliers for > these machines ly

quirk in F14 evolution

When using evolution next to each folder name is a number representing how many unread messages are in the folder. That has pretty much been true for as long as I have used evolution. However, under F14 the junk folder displays a number that represents the number of messages in the junk folder when

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 20:09 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, James Mckenzie > wrote: > > I'll stick with my original recommendation of learning Java > for OOP. C++ requires recompliation for each and every > platform you want to run a progra

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 23:46 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > > Books like K&R second edition are written in a more > understandable format. > > -- > Jerry Feldman > > > > I agree.

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 10:39 -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote: > Basically, my company's product is written almost entirely in C++ and > after having been around C++ for a while, IMHO, it happens to be > reasonably well written and structured. In contrast I have been > involved > with some C++ that was es

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 23:42 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > I suggested it for that reason, you can use c++ very easily as > if it > was C and this allows for a much easier transition in the > future. C++ > can be anything from super easy to super hard. T

Re: About programing, a general question

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 00:10 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, les wrote: > > Since C++ is a preprocessor to C, how does it run circles > around C? > Just asking. > > > Regards, > Les H > > > > Absol

Re: quirk in F14 evolution

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 16:28 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: > When using evolution next to each folder name is a number representing > how many unread messages are in the folder. That has pretty much been > true for as long as I have used evolution. However, under F14 the junk > folder displays a numbe

Re: About programing, a general question

May I suggest that people do not use this forum as a type of chat client? Replies of "Yes." and "Great." are not useful to a public discussion and make for really huge archive lists and digests. Hugh -- Hugh Caley, Linux Administrator Aldon Computer Group Great. 6001 Shellmound St. Suite 600

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/2010 04:37 PM, Hugh Caley wrote: > May I suggest that people do not use this forum as a type of chat > client? Replies of "Yes." and "Great." are not useful to a public > discussion and make for really huge archive lists and digests. Especially when they either top post or quote the enti

Re: OpenVPN with NetworkManager

> I was able to configure a VPN connection with the networkmanager-openvpn > module, but I have absolutely no idea now how could I actually connect > to the configured VPN... >On Ubuntu you can actually pick in the VPN Connections tray menu a >configuration to use, but on Fedora I just can't fi

Re: OpenVPN with NetworkManager

2010-12-23 02:26 keltezéssel, Felipe Nunez írta: > Peter: > > If I understood what you want to do: connect to an openvpn server from > Fedora, it is easy: > > Supose you have configured cthe client and have generated clients > certificates: client.conf, client.crt, client.key and ca.crt in any > fo

Re: quirk in F14 evolution

--- Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 16:28 -0600, Aaron Konstam > wrote: > However, under F14 the junk > > folder displays a number that represents the > number of messages in the > > junk folder when the program is started and the > number does not change > > when messages are

Re: About programing, a general question

On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 15:54 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > Bah. Real Programmers don't use FORTRAN, either! > > http://johnreece.com/wordpress/2006/07/10/real-programmers-dont-use-fortran-either/ And I still have my book for the SDK-85 to prove it... And my pocket fold-out cheat-sheet for th

Re: About programing, a general question

On 12/22/10, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 15:54 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> Bah. Real Programmers don't use FORTRAN, either! >> >> http://johnreece.com/wordpress/2006/07/10/real-programmers-dont-use-fortran-either/ > > And I still have my book for the SDK-85 to prove it... And my poc

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On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 11:56 -0500, William Case wrote: > I found that when teaching myself 'C', 10 or 20 minutes contemplating > an 'and' or an 'or' gate gave me enough of an 'aha!' that I could > understand what was going on. Of course, that was proceeded by > another twenty minutes or so underst

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On 12/22/10 10:07 AM, David Liguori wrote: > Then, for an amusing read which may or may not tell you anything about > how a computer works, try Douglas Hofstadter's "Goedel, Escher, Bach: an > Eternal Golden Braid". I've read this book, on both sides (yes, this is a book that starts on one side an

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Tim: >> Tim runs through the room waving a punch card! Marvin Kosmal: > Punch Card > > > > Hollerith code > > > hehe Hot quite, here it is: http://i55.tinypic.com/2whp10j.jpg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: htt

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Bah. Real Programmers don't use FORTRAN, either! > > > http://johnreece.com/wordpress/2006/07/10/real-programmers-dont-use-fortran-either/ > > (I was but a tyke in those days, but my dad worked for Royal around the > time this legend takes

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: There's also a copy of that story at FOLDOC. The first computer I ever > programmed was an IBM 1620, Mod 2, with 20,000 individually addressable > BCD digits, already obsolete in the late '60s when I first encountered > it. We started out with ma

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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Unless Java has changed a lot, how to you explain to a beginning > programmer the contortions you have to go through to do I/O in Java? > That's why I think Java is not a beginners programing language. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users