Re: F 13 installation trouble

2010-07-21 Thread JD
On 07/20/2010 09:30 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > hi, > > I did a fresh text based install on my system today. > > On boot, I get: > > "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on > unknown-block(0,0)" > > Can you folks please tell me how to get around this? I googled up and > it look

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Les
On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 20:48 -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 03:00 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 23:18:11 Phil Meyer wrote: > > > That is the whole point. Ideally this is how it works from a ptactical > > > point of view: > > > > > > I am

Sun Java double-click interval

2010-07-21 Thread Pasan
I use Fedora 13 64bit with latest updates. Applications using sun jre (for an example matlab) has a very fast double-click interval. This makes double-clicks get interpreted as two single clicks. When I add the line '*multiClickTime: 400' to $HOME/.Xdefaults and invoke xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xdefa

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Tim > To: Community support for Fedora users > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:22:03 +0930 > Subject: Re: how to uninstall preload? > On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 23:16 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> You made the wrong assumption that I used Forward function

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Rahul Sundaram > To: Community support for Fedora users > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:37:28 +0530 > Subject: Re: how to uninstall preload? > On 07/21/2010 12:05 AM, Greg Woods wrote: > > Yum in rawhide by default protects yum and everything that dep

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Tim > To: Community support for Fedora users > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:22:03 +0930 > Subject: Re: how to uninstall preload? > Well, the in-reply-to headers are missing, and they're automatically > created when you hit reply (when using any decen

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> From: "Christofer C. Bell" > Suvayu is correct.  Mixing use of yum and rpm is discouraged for a reason.  > If you want to use all the features of yum (at all) then you should be using > yum for everything.  The yum database needs to be aware of every package > transaction in order to provide

Sun Java double-click interval

2010-07-21 Thread JB
Pasan gmail.com> writes: > > ... > I have a feeling $HOME/.Xdefaults' is not checked by the X session. > Hi, symlink ~/.Xdefaults to ~/.Xresources JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/l

Re: F13 network and wpa_supplicant startup sequence

2010-07-21 Thread John Horne
On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 10:12 -0500, lxnf9...@comcast.net wrote: > I added a wireless card to a machine that has no gui interface installed, so > no NM > I configured wpa_supplicant and wlan startup script > What I do not get is when the machine boots wpa_supplicant starts after the > network scrip

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> From: Timothy Murphy > >> I know that I have yum-installed X in the past, >> and it has installed X, together with Y and Z, >> Then I have yum-removed X, >> and it has listed X, Y and Z, and a large number of other packages >> to be uninstalled. > > > Really. Yes. It

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Christofer C. Bell wrote: > Suvayu is correct. Mixing use of yum and rpm is discouraged for a reason. > If you want to use all the features of yum (at all) then you should be > using > yum for everything. The yum database needs to be aware of every package > transaction in order to provide all t

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Michael Semcheski
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Tim wrote: > This (the above, plus the whole of your message that I didn't quote) all > sounds like they've just renamed mainframe computing as clouds. Well the web probably sounded like they had just renamed gopher. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 13:25 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Parshwa Murdia wrote: > > >> From: Timothy Murphy > > > >> I know that I have yum-installed X in the past, > >> and it has installed X, together with Y and Z, > >> Then I have yum-removed X, > >> and it has listed X, Y and Z, and a large

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Michael Semcheski
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Les wrote: >        Moreover you pointed out one of the real issues: month to month rental > or lease or whatever you want to call it.  And that is not counting the > connection costs, storage premium if you are a non-standard user, or the > lack of control, or the

F13: Empathy stop working after 'yum update'

2010-07-21 Thread Marco Guazzone
Hello, After having successfully completed 'yum update', empathy stop working well. Specifically, once executed, it does not show in the Gnome notification area even it appears in the process list. I attach a log file created with empathy-debugger. Note: I use empathy for chatting with gtalk.

Re: F13: Empathy stop working after 'yum update'

2010-07-21 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/21/2010 05:31 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: > Hello, > > After having successfully completed 'yum update', empathy stop working well. > > Specifically, once executed, it does not show in the Gnome > notification area even it appears in the process list. > > I attach a log file created with empath

Re: Encrypted VM's (was Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...)

2010-07-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 20:21:56 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: > > This way -the VM can be booted no prob with unencrypted root - but user > of VM gets privacy. Only against after the fact attempts to recover the data. If you are under surveilance when you access the vm, your keys can be capt

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ankur Sinha wrote: >> A handy alternative to looking at the yum.log: >> yum history list >> then you can see the transactions by date. >> then: >> yum history info >> to get a lot of info on what changed. >> http://yum.baseurl.org/wiki/YumHistory >> -sv > Just thought it was worth mentioning. T

Re: F13: Empathy stop working after 'yum update'

2010-07-21 Thread Marco Guazzone
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 07/21/2010 05:31 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: >> Hello, >> >> After having successfully completed 'yum update', empathy stop working well. >> >> Specifically, once executed, it does not show in the Gnome >> notification area even it appears

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Well, the in-reply-to headers are missing, and they're automatically >> created when you hit reply (when using any decent mail client). The >> "forwarded" message headers suggest that's because you're forwarding >> instead of replying. Something's very wrong, at least. Parshwa Murdia: >

Re: Fedora 13 installation, does not boot

2010-07-21 Thread Vincent Onelli
> From: Harald Hoyer > You might want to edit /etc/grub.conf in rescue and remove "quiet" and > "rhgb" and add "rdinit rd_NO_PLYMOUTH" to the Kernel command line. I will gladly do it but it seam to be a non editable file, if there is away please let me know. > > On Wednesday, July 21, 2010, Vi

Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
I did a "yum upgrade" and was offered: qbittorrent x86_64 1:2.2.8-2.fc13 even though I currently have: $ rpm -q qbittorrent qbittorrent-2.2.9-1.fc13.x86_64 (Note the version numbers) I said 'N' because it seems at least counter-intuitive. Is there an

[389-users] Large amount of users in Directory causes timeouts on client login.

2010-07-21 Thread Gerrard Geldenhuis
Hi I have just created 20 000 users each with a private group on two masters 10 000 on each master, with the purpose of testing replication between two masters. I did not observe any errors in access log and there is no errors logged in the error log for either of the servers. I am seeing stran

Re: Fedora 13 installation, does not boot

2010-07-21 Thread Vincent Onelli
> From: Harald Hoyer > You might want to edit /etc/grub.conf in rescue and remove "quiet" and > "rhgb" and add "rdinit rd_NO_PLYMOUTH" to the Kernel command line. I will gladly do it but it seam to be a non editable file, if there is away please let me know. My apology I was try to use a wrong

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/21/2010 10:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I did a "yum upgrade" and was offered: > > qbittorrent x86_64 1:2.2.8-2.fc13 > > even though I currently have: > > $ rpm -q qbittorrent > qbittorrent-2.

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote, at 07/21/2010 11:31 PM +9:00: > I did a "yum upgrade" and was offered: > > qbittorrent x86_64 1:2.2.8-2.fc13 > > even though I currently have: > > $ rpm -q qbittorrent > qbittorrent-2.2.9-1.fc13.x86_64 > > (Note the version numb

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread JD
On 07/21/2010 12:55 AM, Les wrote: > On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 20:48 -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 03:00 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> On Tuesday, July 20, 2010 23:18:11 Phil Meyer wrote: That is the whole point. Ideally this is how it works from a ptactical

Re: [389-users] Large amount of users in Directory causes timeouts on client login.

2010-07-21 Thread Rich Megginson
Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote: > Hi > I have just created 20 000 users each with a private group on two masters 10 > 000 on each master, with the purpose of testing replication between two > masters. > > I did not observe any errors in access log and there is no errors logged in > the error log for e

Re: F13 network and wpa_supplicant startup sequence

2010-07-21 Thread JD
On 07/21/2010 03:24 AM, John Horne wrote: > # Required-Start: wpa_supplicant Thanx for the tip John!! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wi

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: > On 07/21/2010 12:55 AM, Les wrote: > > I watched a very good company have a big breakdown when their old server > > system with dumb terminals went down. The costs, and impacts nearly put > > them out of business. If they had been smaller it would h

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 10:43 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/21/2010 10:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I did a "yum upgrade" and was offered: > > > > qbittorrent x86_64 > > 1:2.2.8-2.fc1

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread JD
On 07/21/2010 07:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I did a "yum upgrade" and was offered: > > qbittorrent x86_64 1:2.2.8-2.fc13 > > even though I currently have: > > $ rpm -q qbittorrent > qbittorrent-2.2.9-1.fc13.x86_64 > > (Note the version numbers)

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: > smart use or efficient use Speaking of such, can people to learn to snip when quoting, FFS! Geez, but you COMPLETELY UNNECESSARILY quoted 154 lines of 4 complete prior emails to just add 4 lines of text. Quite apart from being a hugely inefficien

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 02:50 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > I wd say again the reason which seems to me may be is that I have been > subscribed to the digest mail and I receive one email comprising of > many e-mail in that with each individual email (contained in one > digest) is under the header "

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Timothy Murphy > To: us...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:25:46 +0100 > Subject: Re: how to uninstall preload? > Parshwa Murdia wrote: >>> From: Timothy Murphy > Yes. > It was a KDE package that I installed, I don't recall whi

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread JD
On 07/21/2010 08:12 AM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: >> On 07/21/2010 12:55 AM, Les wrote: > >>> I watched a very good company have a big breakdown when their old server >>> system with dumb terminals went down. The costs, and impacts nearly put

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 00:55 -0700, Les wrote: > > I like my systems to be local. I program them, I explore them, I > sometimes hack on them with software, hardware, or a combination. I > occasionally take one of the off line and use it for a program dump, or > just to mess with ethernet stuff w

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 13:34:16 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > Suppose I yum-install A, and it brings in A,B and C. > If I yum-remove A, is it guaranteed that it will only remove A,B and C? If you haven't installed anything else in between and nothing was removed (as can be the case if some

Re: [389-users] Large amount of users in Directory causes timeouts on client login.

2010-07-21 Thread Gerrard Geldenhuis
Snip snip >> Any thoughts or steering in the right direction would be appreciated. >> > >run logconv.pl > >> The documentation states a few default indexes that gets created and I would >> have thought that these would be adequate for effectively finding a user in >> a >larger database. >> run

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Timothy Murphy > To: us...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:27:13 +0100 > Subject: Re: how to uninstall preload? > Ankur Sinha wrote: > >>> A handy alternative to looking at the yum.log: >>> yum history list >>> then you can see

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 08:26 -0700, JD wrote: > On 07/21/2010 08:12 AM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: > >> On 07/21/2010 12:55 AM, Les wrote: > > > >>> I watched a very good company have a big breakdown when their old server > >>> system with dumb t

Re: [389-users] Preventing ssh keys from granting a user access when LDAP account is disabled.

2010-07-21 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 07/20/2010 11:32 AM, Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote: > Good point... I define disabled as setting the user as disabled in in > the console or the user having typed his password wrong to many times > and then getting locked out. I don't see "disable" in the console. I do see "inactivate". This adds

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 00:49 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: > > smart use or efficient use > > Speaking of such, can people to learn to snip when quoting, FFS! > > Geez, but you COMPLETELY UNNECESSARILY quoted 154 lines of 4 complete > prior emails to just add

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread JD
LOL ! That's a knee slapper :) On 07/21/2010 08:19 AM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: >> smart use or efficient use > Speaking of such, can people to learn to snip when quoting, FFS! > > Geez, but you COMPLETELY UNNECESSARILY quoted 154 lines of 4 complete > prior ema

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 09:12 -0700, JD wrote: > LOL ! That's a knee slapper :) And yet he does it again. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraprojec

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
> -- Forwarded message -- > From: Suvayu Ali > To: us...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:22:49 -0700 > Subject: Re: how to uninstall preload? > On Wednesday 21 July 2010 02:50 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > I think one possible solution to this small issue is to g

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Phil Savoie
Makes a good argument for top posting, doesn't it? Just teasing... On 21/07/10 11:19 AM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 07:46 -0700, JD wrote: >> smart use or efficient use > > Speaking of such, can people to learn to snip when quoting, FFS! > > Geez, but you COMPLETELY UNNECESSARILY quoted

Re: [FALSE ALARM] Re: yum update and f12

2010-07-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
responses inline and at tail: On 7/20/2010 11:48 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > I explicitly referred to "more plugins", but at a second thought their > names would have been printed by 'yum -v repolist' already, too. There are > optional plugins for Yum, see 'yum list yum-plugin\*', and not all

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
The concept of Cloud Computing is there, but folks have to decide for their own cases and their own solutions [private,public,...] Clouds :) > -- And then came the RAIN due to "Cloud Computing". Sorry guys, could not resist. :( Regards, Antonio Tim, BTW: Was that in Latin? What language

Re: [FALSE ALARM] Re: yum update and f12

2010-07-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:52:29 -0700, Paul wrote: [metadata_expire after 1.5 hours] > I ran a test by firing up a second F12 system that is even more out of > date. When I was able to log in, it took at least 15 minutes for > PackageKit to tell me I had 600 updates ready. PackageKit is something

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 09:44 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> I think one possible solution to this small issue is to go to your >> subscription page for the mailing list[1] and change the email options to >> choose MIME to "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?" option. But since you use >> gmail it m

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/21/2010 11:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Thanks Stephen (and Mamoru). I did notice the epoch number but "rpm -qi" > on the current version (2.2.9) doesn't show the epoch so I wasn't sure. > > poc > No epoch is equivalent to epoch zero

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > Yes, in this message your "In-Reply-To:" header is properly set. One thing, I would like to ask you is what's the difference between the MIME type and plain text message receiving? Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Stephen Gallagher wrote, at 07/22/2010 03:21 AM +9:00: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/21/2010 11:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> Thanks Stephen (and Mamoru). I did notice the epoch number but "rpm -qi" >> on the current version (2.2.9) doesn't show the epoch so

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 03:49 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: > > No epoch is equivalent to epoch zero. That's why it wasn't > displayed. > > To be clear: > By default "$ rpm -q" ($ rpm -qi) does not show epoch information even > if the rpm actually has epoch. That might be worth revising. The rpm quer

mouse cursor erratic behavior; top or bottom of screen

2010-07-21 Thread Wendell Nichols
Twice this week my mouse cursor has become unresponsive and moved (in little jerks) to either the top or the bottom of the screen. I've had to boot to get out of it. Has anyone else seen this? It affects all mouses (bluetooth, usb, and builtin synamptic). wcn -- users mailing list users@lists.

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 21 July 2010 21:13, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 03:49 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: >> > No epoch is equivalent to epoch zero. That's why it wasn't >> displayed. >> >> To be clear: >> By default "$ rpm -q" ($ rpm -qi) does not show epoch information even >> if the rpm actua

Fedora 12 PPC DVD

2010-07-21 Thread JD
Tried to boot the F12 on my Apple Powerbook G4. So, the boot: prompt comes up. I type linux and return The screen clear up and stays clear forever. Nothing else happens. Has anyone else tried it? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
I have installed fedora 11 with windows xp, though the PC is for home use only. Like i have to use the documents editing, and the related works. So i have two questions, but first of all, i am going to ask only the first one in this thread: For only home users, who want to use fedora (and have ver

Re: F13: Empathy stop working after 'yum update'

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Marco Guazzone wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On 07/21/2010 05:31 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> After having successfully completed 'yum update', empathy stop working > >> well. > >> > >> Specifically, once

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread jack craig
On 07/21/2010 02:22 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > I have installed fedora 11 with windows xp, though the PC is for home > use only. Like i have to use the documents editing, and the related > works. So i have two questions, but first of all, i am going to ask > only the first one in this thread: >

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
2010/7/21 Phil Savoie : > Makes a good argument for top posting, doesn't it? > > Just teasing... Personally, I wish people wouldn't quote much of anything at all unless absolutely necessary to illustrate a point. I've moved into the 20th century and read email in Gmail where threaded conversation

Re: Yum oddness

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 21:32 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: [...] > The last paragraph of the section of `man rpm` dealing with > --queryformat says the following: > >For example, to print only the names of the packages queried, you could >use %{NAME} as the format string. To print the p

Bottom posting in Gmail [Was:Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...]

2010-07-21 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
> > In fact, it makes top posting preferable since Gmail hides all the > bottom posted material. It's still there if you need to read it, but > generally you don't. ;-) > I use Gmail in TB3, but someone asked me about bottom posting in Gmail, I give to him this solution. - Use Firefox - Instal

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Christofer C. Bell wrote: > >> Suvayu is correct.  Mixing use of yum and rpm is discouraged for a reason. >> If you want to use all the features of yum (at all) then you should be >> using >> yum for everything.  The yum database needs to be

Re: Bottom posting in Gmail [Was:Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...]

2010-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: >> >> In fact, it makes top posting preferable since Gmail hides all the >> bottom posted material.  It's still there if you need to read it, but >> generally you don't. ;-) > > I use Gmail in TB3, but someone asked me about bottom posting i

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 16:34 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > 2010/7/21 Phil Savoie : > > Makes a good argument for top posting, doesn't it? > > > > Just teasing... > > Personally, I wish people wouldn't quote much of anything at all > unless absolutely necessary to illustrate a point. Agreed.

Re: Bottom posting in Gmail [Was:Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...]

2010-07-21 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 07/21/2010 05:46 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: >>> >>> In fact, it makes top posting preferable since Gmail hides all the >>> bottom posted material. It's still there if you need to read it, but >>> generally you don't. ;-) >> >> I use Gmail in TB3

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:34:31 -0500 "Christofer C. Bell" wrote: > 2010/7/21 Phil Savoie : > > Makes a good argument for top posting, doesn't it? > > > > Just teasing... > > Personally, I wish people wouldn't quote much of anything at all > unless absolutely necessary to illustrate a point. I've

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 02:52:33AM +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > I have installed fedora 11 with windows xp, though the PC is for home > use only. Like i have to use the documents editing, and the related > works. So i have two questions, but first of all, i am going to ask > only the first one in

Re: Bottom posting in Gmail [Was:Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...]

2010-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 07/21/2010 05:46 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: In fact, it makes top posting preferable since Gmail hides all the bottom posted material.  It's still there if you need to r

"exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread Jim Tate
FC13-i686 I do not want to update the Fedora kernel, kernel-headers. I put in yum.conf and yumex.conf , exclude=kernel and exclude=kernel-headers but yumex still tries to update the kernel. Why ? I do not have any kmods or kernel-devel installed yumex] autorefresh = 1 recentdays = 14 prox

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jim Tate writes: FC13-i686 I do not want to update the Fedora kernel, kernel-headers. I put in yum.conf and yumex.conf , exclude=kernel and exclude=kernel-headers but yumex still tries to update the kernel. Why ? I do not have any kmods or kernel-devel installed Only one "exclude" sett

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > Christofer: > Here in the 21st century we have considerable choice as to how we use > our computers. Gmail is just one of many possible solutions.. I see that the joke was lost on more than one person. My reference to the 20th century w

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: >> >> Christofer: >> Here in the 21st century we have considerable choice as to how we use >> our computers. Gmail is just one of many possible solutions.. > > I see that the joke

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread Jim Tate
On 07/21/2010 06:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jim Tate writes: > >> FC13-i686 >> >> I do not want to update the Fedora kernel, kernel-headers. >> I put in yum.conf and yumex.conf , exclude=kernel and >> exclude=kernel-headers but yumex still tries to update the kernel. >> Why ? >> >> I do

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wednesday 21 July 2010 11:28 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > >> Yes, in this message your "In-Reply-To:" header is properly set. > > > One thing, I would like to ask you is what's the difference between > the MIME type and plain text message

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Searle
Around 11:26pm on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 (UK time), Christofer C. Bell scrawled: > Come to think of it, I doubt the folks who missed it the first go > around are going to get it this time, either. To speak plainly: I am glad, because I didn't get your point until you wrote this third email.

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread Jim Tate
On 07/21/2010 06:30 PM, Jim Tate wrote: > On 07/21/2010 06:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> Jim Tate writes: >> >>> FC13-i686 >>> >>> I do not want to update the Fedora kernel, kernel-headers. >>> I put in yum.conf and yumex.conf , exclude=kernel and >>> exclude=kernel-headers but yumex still t

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 07/21/2010 06:59 PM, Jim Tate wrote: > Well I took the exclude=kernel-headers out of yum.conf and yumex.conf > and now yumex wants to update the kernel-headers and not the kernel. What happens it you put in: exclude=kernel,kernel-headers -- Kevin J. Cummings kjch...@rcn.com cummi...@kjchome

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread suvayu ali
On 21 July 2010 15:59, Jim Tate wrote: > On 07/21/2010 06:30 PM, Jim Tate wrote: >> On 07/21/2010 06:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >>> >>> Only one "exclude" setting. As per yum.conf man page, multiple >>> entries in a single exclude setting, space separated. > > Well I took the exclude=kernel-he

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread Clint Dilks
On 22/07/10 10:59, Jim Tate wrote: > On 07/21/2010 06:30 PM, Jim Tate wrote: > >> On 07/21/2010 06:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> Jim Tate writes: >>> >>> FC13-i686 I do not want to update the Fedora kernel, kernel-headers. I put in yum.conf and yumex

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Steve Searle wrote: > Around 11:26pm on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 (UK time), Christofer C. Bell > scrawled: > >> regardless of one's taste in MUA, one should not be using an MUA that >> makes it difficult to read one's email without enforcing one's >> personal view

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:26 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > If your MUA requires you to tell others to not quote, to not top-post, > to do anything other than post whatever they like, in order to read > your email comfortably, then you are using the wrong MUA. If your implication is that no ma

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:26 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > >> If your MUA requires you to tell others to not quote, to not top-post, >> to do anything other than post whatever they like, in order to read >> your email comfortably, t

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:04 AM, jack craig wrote: > install Firefox and google for life... ;-) Really good suggestion, but w.r.t Fedora, life is related in small extent but more with watching movies and visiting new places. And the intention was to know abt Fedora 11, how tos and related and t

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Fedora is certainly usable by home users.  My wife and children use > Fedora and I have had to provide them no support over the past several > releases, other than upgrading the system when the new release came > out. That's really cool.

Re: how to uninstall preload?

2010-07-21 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > I'm not an expert about these things, but to try to answer your question > I subscribed with those settings to try to find out how best to respond > from Digest emails. If you are using a standalone email client like > thunderbird or evolution,

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Roger
On 07/22/2010 10:03 AM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:04 AM, jack craig wrote: > > >> install Firefox and google for life... ;-) >> > > Really good suggestion, but w.r.t Fedora, life is related in small > extent but more with watching movies and visiting new places. A

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:52:33 +0530 Parshwa Murdia wrote: > I have installed fedora 11 with windows xp, though the PC is for home > use only. Like i have to use the documents editing, and the related > works. So i have two questions, but first of all, i am going to ask > only the first one in this

Re: "exclude" in yum.conf and yumex.conf

2010-07-21 Thread fred smith
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:06:54AM +1200, Clint Dilks wrote: > On 22/07/10 10:59, Jim Tate wrote: > > On 07/21/2010 06:30 PM, Jim Tate wrote: > > > >> On 07/21/2010 06:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > >> > >>> Jim Tate writes: > >>> > >>> > FC13-i686 > > I do not wan

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Roger
> correct, but even if fedora 11 is used, i don't think the loss of > generality but basics are same. fedora 13 and more to come must be > having more features to be known though we are still unaware of the > old fact and features related with fedora. > > Regards, > Parshwa Murdia > First chec

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread g
Parshwa Murdia wrote: > For only home users, who want to use fedora if you follow advice of firefox and google, try this google link for 'advanced linux searching'; http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&output=linux&restrict=linux in bar labeled 'this exact wording or phrase:', enter

Re: Anything for home user and not the technical one??

2010-07-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, July 21, 2010 22:22:33 Parshwa Murdia wrote: > but a home user can himself (with no more hardware) and with a single > pc (with net connection) can learn in this scenario as far as fedora > usage is concerned? Start with using the GUI apps, to get comfortable. Open Firefox and browse

Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders

2010-07-21 Thread Teo En Ming
UPDATED 22 July 2010 11:09 A.M. Singapore time [***URGENT***] 15 June 2010 Tuesday 5:50 P.M. Singapore Time To (long list of recipients): Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors without Borders) Reporters Sans Frontières (Reporters without Broders) International Comittee of the Red Cross Internationa

Re: Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders

2010-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
RE: Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders   --- With all due respect and aplogizing for your situation. Are any of the referenced people(World Leaders using Fedora? How are these (World Leaders; Fedora users) supposed to help? I beg for forgiveness due to your condit

Installing F12 for PPC on Powerbook G4

2010-07-21 Thread JD
DVD burned from iso image, and checksumed against downloaded iso checksums (and computed checksums), will not boot up so I can install F12. I get a blank white screen after pressing enter at the boot: prompt. Any one with experience on PPC with F12 or earlier? What's the trick to booting it?

Re: OT: Cloud Computing is coming to ...

2010-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 18:51 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:26 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote: > > > >> If your MUA requires you to tell others to not quote, to not top-post, > >> to do anything other th

Re: Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders

2010-07-21 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi list admins, Could this person (Teo En Ming) be blocked? I think his email address has been compromised and I have seen spam from this address on various other lists too, Scientific Linux and GCC to mention a few. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list

Re: Open Letter (Plea for Medical/Help Assistance) to World Leaders

2010-07-21 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 7/21/2010 10:19 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > Hi list admins, > > Could this person (Teo En Ming) be blocked? I think his email address > has been compromised and I have seen spam from this address on various > other lists too, Scientific Linux and GCC to mention a few. > > I am inclined to agree

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