On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 18:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>
> Of course, at the moment, some of that speed may be because it
> isn't actually doing everything (like getting NFS filesystems mounted).
But it does. Even with traditional network setup, just add
comment=systemd.automount to the mount opt
Michael Ekstrand elehack.net> writes:
>
> On 06/16/2011 05:09 AM, JB wrote:
> > JB gmail.com> writes:
> > See previous post.
> >
> > Why is avahi dependent on (I have a LXDE desktop):
> > gnomebaker - CD/DVD burner
> > lxde-common - configuration files for LXDE
> > lxmusic - music client
> > p
On 06/15/2011 11:21 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> OK, you got me with the pointer arithmetic in FORTRAN trick. That is
> precisely the sort of thing that the word "hack" was originally intended
> to indicate and the sort of wizardry only available to those who have a
> complete understanding of what is going
On 06/16/2011 05:09 AM, JB wrote:
> JB gmail.com> writes:
> See previous post.
>
> Why is avahi dependent on (I have a LXDE desktop):
> gnomebaker - CD/DVD burner
> lxde-common - configuration files for LXDE
> lxmusic - music client
> pcmanfm - PCMan File Manager
> pidgin - instant messaging clie
> I am also surprised (have been for long time) by seeing Linux projects
> violating
> UNIX principles of software development.
> In this particular context, I am disappointed that they, apparently, lack
> oversight by management, starting with the design phase.
That is hardly a Unix principle gi
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 07:59 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> On 06/15/2011 06:06 PM, JB wrote:
> >
> > I am also surprised (have been for long time) by seeing Linux projects
> > violating
> > UNIX principles of software development.
>
> Linux isn't Unix. It sounds like you'd be happier ru
On 06/15/2011 06:06 PM, JB wrote:
>
> I am also surprised (have been for long time) by seeing Linux projects
> violating
> UNIX principles of software development.
Linux isn't Unix. It sounds like you'd be happier running, er, Unix - or
a BSD - rather than a Linux distro that is considered to be
JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> # yum remove avahi
> ...
See previous post.
Why is avahi dependent on (I have a LXDE desktop):
gnomebaker - CD/DVD burner
lxde-common - configuration files for LXDE
lxmusic - music client
pcmanfm - PCMan File Manager
pidgin - instant messaging client
etc.
Can any
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 20:15 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/15/2011 04:19 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > This sort of
> > developer often can't tell you who Fred Brooks, Eric Raymond, Donald
> > Knuth, Ken Thompson, or anyone similar are
>
> And let's not forget the sane genius, Daniel J. Alderson. JPL is s
On 06/16/2011 04:53 AM, JB wrote:
> Here is the answer - you should be more sceptical about systemd's
> "helpfulness":
>
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152596.html
The mail you are referring to is wrong on several details. IPV6 is
entirely optional in systemd for inst
On 06/16/2011 08:28 AM, Tim wrote:
> Most of the time, we don't. But then it can be handy for some boxes to
> have different run-levels.
>
> e.g. A server that's usually left alone on the shelf, occasionally
> remote managed by command line. Even less occasionally, you might plug
> a keyboard and
On 06/15/2011 04:19 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> This sort of
> developer often can't tell you who Fred Brooks, Eric Raymond, Donald
> Knuth, Ken Thompson, or anyone similar are
And let's not forget the sane genius, Daniel J. Alderson. JPL is still
using his programs to navigate space probes 25 years afte
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 16:56 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> I never needed all of those run levels, It was just confusing and
> useless complexity. And 2-3 of them were always unused anyway, so
> getting rid of them was sensible.
Most of the time, we don't. But then it can be handy for some
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 01:00 +, JB wrote:
> Now, I think that Fedora (thru its Red Hat sponsorship) is acting "by
> ambush" - that is, there is very little consideration for opinion
> expressed by users *prior* to schedule of new major features
> (projects) to be implemented in next release.
> I
夜神 岩男 yahoo.co.jp> writes:
>
> Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but
> not today because this hit home.
>
Well, we are happy we woke you up :-)
> ...
> There are too many people to please and
> no possible way everyone can communicate everything to each other
On 06/15/2011 04:19 PM, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but
> not today because this hit home.
>
> On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 22:06 +, JB wrote:
>> Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes:
>>
>>> ...
>>> All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is
Petrus de Calguarium writes:
> ...
> Why shouldn't it load modules on its own? If the system can take care of
> running itself, then all the less for me to worry about. I don't want to have
> to configure every little thing; I want the system to run itself. But, I do
> like to be able to conf
Sorry, JB, I usually avoid posting (hence the trash email address), but
not today because this hit home.
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 22:06 +, JB wrote:
> Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes:
>
> > ...
> > All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is more and more an
> > experiment in social engi
On 06/16/2011 12:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:39:38 + (UTC)
> JB wrote:
>
>> There are people on test and user lists who are afraid to even touch F15 ...
>> and the reasons are systemd, GNOME 3, etc. Things called "progress" ...
Well, I am "sufficiently impressed" by F15
JB wrote:
> - going beyond system init replacement
> - not adhering to UNIX principles (modularity, etc)
> - interference with sysadmin duties/decisions to set up the system (e.g.
> loading modules on its own and e.g. enabling sys capabilities and
> protocols)
It would be nice if there were m
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes:
> ...
I am going easy about systemd.
I am not sure it is going to survive as is ...
Just a small example.
# yum info avahi
...
Description : Avahi is a system which facilitates service discovery on
: a local network -- this means that you can plug you
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:39:38 + (UTC)
JB wrote:
> There are people on test and user lists who are afraid to even touch F15 ...
> and the reasons are systemd, GNOME 3, etc. Things called "progress" ...
I rather like systemd, not because I feel like I'll ever be able to
understand it ("mind numb
Clyde E. Kunkel cox.net> writes:
> ...
> All this said, I am beginning to believe Fedora is more and more an
> experiment in social engineering.
> ...
That's a well-chosen remark :-)
"Social engineering is the art of manipulating people into performing
actions...".
I think it also applies to op
On 06/15/2011 03:39 PM, JB wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there is a very interesting discussion on Fedora devel list:
>
> systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) Denys Vlasenko
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html
>
> The poster, Denys Vlasenko, showed an inquir
Hi,
there is a very interesting discussion on Fedora devel list:
systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :) Denys Vlasenko
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-June/152323.html
The poster, Denys Vlasenko, showed an inquiring mind and justified it by asking
very relev
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