On 04/16/2014 09:31 AM, Arthur Dent wrote:
> Hello all, With what (I hope) will be my final update on this issue.
>
> This machine is a simple home server. It runs headless and is on 24/7. I an
> in the habit running yum update once per month and only then rebooting (and
> only then because the
Heinz Diehl wrote:
>> Am I rignt in thinking that fetchmail actually passes the email
>> on to postfix's sendmail-emulator?
>
> Judging from the header fragments you posted, I'm shure that your
> fetchmail connects to your postfix via localhost on port 25. You could
> avoid that step by telling f
On 18.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> When I said "mail is sent to" above I should have said "which goes to"
> as I was simply quoting your explanation above.
> But I'm still puzzled by mydestination.
The direction in which the mail goes does not matter, actually. When a
mail "hits" your postfi
Heinz Diehl wrote:
>> Received: from localhost (alfred.gayleard.eu [127.0.0.1]) by
>> alfred.gayleard.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4C622D57 for
>> ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:15:24 +0200 (CEST)
>> Received: from alfred.gayleard.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
>> (alfred.gayleard.eu [127.0.0.1]) FrqMz92sTp
On 17.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Delivered-To: t...@localhost.gayleard.eu
> Received: from localhost (alfred.gayleard.eu [127.0.0.1]) by
> alfred.gayleard.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4C622D57 for
I forgot: you can have fetchmail to deliver mail directly into your
mailbox (or any filter
On 17.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Received: from localhost (alfred.gayleard.eu [127.0.0.1]) by
> alfred.gayleard.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4C622D57 for
> ; Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:15:24 +0200 (CEST)
> Received: from alfred.gayleard.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost
> (alfred.gayleard.eu [127.0
Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Timothy Murphy sent:
> All the email I get contains headers like
>
> Delivered-To: t...@localhost.gayleard.eu
> Received: from localhost (alfred.gayleard.eu [127.0.0.1]) by
> alfred.gayleard.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B
Heinz Diehl wrote:
> With mydestination you specify your local domain(s). Example:
>
> mydestination = fritha.org
>
> All mail handled by postfix which goes to .fritha.org will be
> delivered locally. When there's no local user for it, the mail will be
> undeliverable and bounce. Mail to .frith
On 17.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I found I could only set myorigin and mydestination by experiment;
> I didn't understand the descriptions in main.cf.
With mydestination you specify your local domain(s). Example:
mydestination = fritha.org
All mail handled by postfix which goes to .frit
Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 16.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
>> The two config files (master.cf and main.cf) are difficult to follow,
>> and the documentation is poor.
>
> For a homeserver or "single use" MTA:
>
> 1. leave master.cf alone
> 2. Define these in main.cf
>
>- myhostname
>-
On 16.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> The two config files (master.cf and main.cf) are difficult to follow,
> and the documentation is poor.
For a homeserver or "single use" MTA:
1. leave master.cf alone
2. Define these in main.cf
- myhostname
- mydomain
- myorigin
- mydestination
Heinz Diehl wrote:
> yum install postfix
>
> It's easy to configure and can rewrite anything you want.
I don't agree.
The two config files (master.cf and main.cf) are difficult to follow,
and the documentation is poor.
When I posted a postfix query, I was advised (1) to read two books,
and (2)
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 19:14 +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 15.04.2014, Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote:
>
> > Finally, I got msmtp working but I'm still not really happy
> > (it doesn't rewrite destination addresses for aliased forwards,
> > and that's a big problem with today's spam filters), so I wi
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 16:40 +, Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote:
> Arthur Dent wrote:
>
> > I have read this page:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail
>
> Yes, Fedora's great plan of no default sendmail basically means that
> they simply do no longer install sendmail (d
Hello all, With what (I hope) will be my final update on this issue.
This machine is a simple home server. It runs headless and is on 24/7. I
an in the habit running yum update once per month and only then
rebooting (and only then because the yum update usually brings down a
new kernel). I long ag
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:14:37 +0200
Heinz Diehl wrote:
> yum install postfix
>
> It's easy to configure and can rewrite anything you want.
And I also notice that postfix is the new default in RHEL.
Not sure why it took them so long to switch :-).
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On 15.04.2014, Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote:
> Finally, I got msmtp working but I'm still not really happy
> (it doesn't rewrite destination addresses for aliased forwards,
> and that's a big problem with today's spam filters), so I will
> revert to sendmail in F21.
yum install postfix
It's easy
Arthur Dent wrote:
> I have read this page:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail
Yes, Fedora's great plan of no default sendmail basically means that
they simply do no longer install sendmail (default MTA). That's all.
All software (crond, raid-check, logwatch etc.) sti
Can you try adding a line like this on top
of your crontab:
MAILTO=
> > That said, I do not know enough about system mail to point you to
> > possible sources of your problem, however I would start by running mail
> > with the verbose flag.
>
> How do I do that?
Just ca
how not configured to send
mail. Could that be right? If so, where do I start in trying to fix
it?
> That said, I do not know enough about system mail to point you to
> possible sources of your problem, however I would start by running mail
> with the verbose flag.
How do I do that?
&
$ mail mary
> Subject: Testing internal messaging
> Testing internal email
> [CTRL-d]
> EOT
> [mark@Zaphod]$ send-mail: account default not found: no configuration file
> available
It looks like this is the crux of your problem. I presume you checked
mary gets mails for her
> I am tearing my hair out over this. I have read previous threads on the
> subject, but most seem to relate to getting root mail. That works now
> (thanks to Suvayu Ali) - putting:
> # Person who should get root's mail
> root: mark
> into /etc/aliases did the trick for root cron jobs.
> B
On Mon, 2014-04-14 at 09:10 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 09:20:09AM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
>
> > The test example I gave yesterday is in fact based on a real-life case.
> > I have a job that runs hourly from cron. Occasionally this process fails
> > (for reasons I won't bo
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 09:20:09AM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
> The test example I gave yesterday is in fact based on a real-life case.
> I have a job that runs hourly from cron. Occasionally this process fails
> (for reasons I won't bore the list with) and leaves a lock-file in place
> - a will th
s accuse I
have another little hourly cron job that checks for the presence of the
lock-file and reports only if it exists.
If I have to rely on the daily logwatch output it could conceivably be
up to 23 hours before I even know that the job is not working...
So - how to get my user system-mail back?
On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 17:12 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 03:38:57PM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
> > On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 15:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 02:28:38PM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 12:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote
14 at 10:54:18AM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
> > >
> > > This means that I get get system mail for root (my main concern) but it
> > > doesn't seen to give me cron output for jobs run as my normal user.
> > >
> > > Can I achieve something similar for
On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 15:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 02:28:38PM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
> > On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 12:43 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:54:18AM +0100, Arthur Dent wrote:
> >
> > This means that
ith default configurations. That should take care of all
> > intenal mail.
> >
> > I read system mail with mutt; my only setup is the following line in
> > /etc/aliases:
> >
> > root:
> >
> > Hope this helps,
>
> That is fantas
internally?
>
> If you are not sending emails over the internet, no configuration is
> required. Just install an MTA like sendmail/postfix/exim and turn on
> the service with default configurations. That should take care of all
> intenal mail.
>
> I read system mail with mut
is
required. Just install an MTA like sendmail/postfix/exim and turn on
the service with default configurations. That should take care of all
intenal mail.
I read system mail with mutt; my only setup is the following line in
/etc/aliases:
root:
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On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 17:42 +0100, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 04:47pm on Thursday, April 10, 2014 (UK time), Arthur Dent wrote:
>
> > OK - So if just do "yum install sendmail" will everything work as
> > before? Or will I have to spend a fortune on coffee and pizzas as I sit
> > up night after n
On 10.04.2014 17:47, Arthur Dent wrote:
> OK - So if just do "yum install sendmail" will everything work as
> before? Or will I have to spend a fortune on coffee and pizzas as I sit
> up night after night trying to configure it?
>
What is tomorrow's weather forecast para las Islas Canarias?
po
Around 04:47pm on Thursday, April 10, 2014 (UK time), Arthur Dent wrote:
> OK - So if just do "yum install sendmail" will everything work as
> before? Or will I have to spend a fortune on coffee and pizzas as I sit
> up night after night trying to configure it?
Not a fortune, but you need to tink
On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 15:51 +0100, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 03:24pm on Thursday, April 10, 2014 (UK time), Arthur Dent wrote:
>
> > 2) now that Fedora have removed the MTA as default, does it even
> > generate system messages and cron output messages anymore?
>
> Yes it does. I install and co
Around 03:24pm on Thursday, April 10, 2014 (UK time), Arthur Dent wrote:
> 2) now that Fedora have removed the MTA as default, does it even
> generate system messages and cron output messages anymore?
Yes it does. I install and configure sendmail on both my Fedora
workstations and do receive all
em to actually use functionality that
> requires an MTA to be present, I think you should just install some
> MTA of your choice and keep using the system mail functionality.
Thanks for helping.
My problems are twofold:
1) When I tried to install postfix I found it was bouncing ALL my mail!
(I
is currently not installed by default
because it was thought that most users do not use the things it
provides. However, since you seem to actually use functionality that
requires an MTA to be present, I think you should just install some
MTA of your choice and keep using the system mail functi
t setup, but I think I have
> got that sorted now. I had a brief flirtation with postfix, but gave
> that up as a bad job when it started bouncing all my mail.
>
> In truth I am quite happy not to have an MTA and risk accidentally
> spamming the interweb, but I now find I am lac
t gave
that up as a bad job when it started bouncing all my mail.
In truth I am quite happy not to have an MTA and risk accidentally
spamming the interweb, but I now find I am lacking one thing...
My system mail (and output from my user cron jobs) used to find it's way
into procmail from wh
On 12/30/2013 08:50 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Robert Moskowitz sent:
what is claws-mail? I do not see it installed by default.
Just another mail client.
And with a GUI, it seems from the screenshots I've found. For logs and
such, mutt does the job. For my mai
Allegedly, on or about 30 December 2013, Robert Moskowitz sent:
> what is claws-mail? I do not see it installed by default.
Just another mail client.
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All mail to my mailbox is automaticall
On 12/26/2013 03:49 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:17:17 +0100
Suvayu Ali wrote:
I know I can always look in the logs, but I would probably miss
something if I have to do this manually for every daemon that is
running. It is much simpler to monitor this through system mail
t logwatch maintainer's problem.
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On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 13:39 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:30:29 +0100
"Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
> On 12/29/2013 01:24 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > As I stated mailx allows me to read syste
I am joining this thread, as I tripped up on this once I got my old cron
jobs transfered over to this install. I have the following|
$ crontab -l
SHELL=/bin/bash
PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
MAILTO=me
# For details see man 4 crontabs
# Example of job definition:
# . minu
> package sendmail is not installed
> > package postfix is not installed
> > mailx-12.5-10.fc20.x86_64
> >
> > As I stated mailx allows me to read system-mail in claws-mail.
> >
> > From: Anacron
> > To: root
> > Subject: Anacron job 'cr
5-10.fc20.x86_64
>
> As I stated mailx allows me to read system-mail in claws-mail.
>
> From: Anacron
> To: root
> Subject: Anacron job 'cron.daily' on frank01.*
Well you must be doing something different that allows you to do that.
I read my mail directly from /var
13:39 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:30:29 +0100
> "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
>
> > On 12/29/2013 01:24 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > > As I stated mailx allows me to read system-mail in claws-mail.
> >
> > Have you changed anything in
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:30:29 +0100
"Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
> On 12/29/2013 01:24 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > As I stated mailx allows me to read system-mail in claws-mail.
>
> Have you changed anything in the mailx setup? /etc/mail.rc ?
>
> As far as I can
On 12/29/2013 01:24 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
As I stated mailx allows me to read system-mail in claws-mail.
Have you changed anything in the mailx setup? /etc/mail.rc ?
As far as I can tell I can only get system mail when using an MTA, mailx
without any changes seem to do nothing here.
Lars
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 12:24:14 +
Frank Murphy wrote:
Forgot a link:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.aix.files/doc/aixfiles/mailrc.htm
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 13:02:06 +0100
Suvayu Ali wrote:
rpm -q exim sendmail postfix mailx
package exim is not installed
package sendmail is not installed
package postfix is not installed
mailx-12.5-10.fc20.x86_64
As I stated mailx allows me to read system-mail in claws-mail.
From: Anacron
To
gt; > something if I have to do this manually for every daemon that is
> > > running. It is much simpler to monitor this through system mail.
> > >
> > > Hence, I would like to know what happens if there is no MTA
> > > installed; do I still get system m
On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:01:42 -0800
Mike Wright wrote:
> Sorry for the delay. I was checking out claws-mail...
>
> What I was looking for is how to tell crond to use mailx instead of
> sendmail.
You don't need to.
it was always the mail command that done it. (iirc)
http://dsl.org/cookbook/coo
12/27/2013 02:30 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 08:17:37 -0800
Mike Wright wrote:
Where does one specify that mailx should be used?
Thanx
Do you mean within claws-mail?
Sorry for the delay. I was checking out claws-mail...
What I was looking for is how to tell crond to use
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 08:17:37 -0800
Mike Wright wrote:
> Where does one specify that mailx should be used?
>
> Thanx
>
Do you mean within claws-mail?
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On Dec 26, 2013 11:46 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
>
> On 12/26/2013 07:32 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>> Try `journalctl -u crond --since today` for example. journalctl has
>> filtering options built in, the man page is worth skimming.
>
>
> OK, took 12 seconds (cat /var/log/cron is even faste
On 12/26/2013 07:32 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
Try `journalctl -u crond --since today` for example. journalctl has
filtering options built in, the man page is worth skimming.
OK, took 12 seconds (cat /var/log/cron is even faster though :). But
'journalctl -u crond --since today' does not produce
On Dec 26, 2013 10:47 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
>
...
>
> # time journalctl | grep cron
> ...lots of lines since July 28 (!)...
>
> real26m0.921s
> user10m25.731s
> sys 3m7.579s
> #
>
> Not that useful. Any idea on how to improve that?
...
>
> Lars
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Try `journalctl -u crond
On 12/26/2013 06:46 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On my desktop it took 6 seconds, starting July 6, but it had only a few
lines about the yum-cron problems the last two weeks. So on that
computer I seem to miss a lot of lines in the systemd-log, that is
present in the /var/log/cron file.
Ah, so
On 12/25/2013 06:56 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 06:30:22 +0100
lee wrote:
A system cannot correctly function without a way for such processes
to send email.
Yes, they can. Cron can work whether you know about it or not
eg. "journalctl | grep cron | less
# time journalctl |
12/26/2013 12:49 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:17:17 +0100
Suvayu Ali wrote:
I know I can always look in the logs, but I would probably miss
something if I have to do this manually for every daemon that is
running. It is much simpler to monitor this through system mail
ing. It is much simpler to monitor this through system mail.
> >
> > Hence, I would like to know what happens if there is no MTA
> > installed; do I still get system mail notifying me of cron jobs,
> > denied hosts, etc?
>
> MTA is not necessary on a "single"
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:17:17 +0100
Suvayu Ali wrote:
> I know I can always look in the logs, but I would probably miss
> something if I have to do this manually for every daemon that is
> running. It is much simpler to monitor this through system mail.
>
> Hence, I would li
would probably miss
something if I have to do this manually for every daemon that is
running. It is much simpler to monitor this through system mail.
Hence, I would like to know what happens if there is no MTA installed;
do I still get system mail notifying me of cron jobs, denied hosts, etc?
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 06:30:22 +0100
lee wrote:
> A system cannot correctly function without a way for such processes
> to send email.
Yes, they can. Cron can work whether you know about it or not
eg. "journalctl | grep cron | less
# man journalctl if worried
you can always flag on "warning, fai
ng
>> solution for minimal and other selected installation methods, such as
>> the Live Desktop DVD, having been tested and able to manage persistent
>> logging in place of syslog.
>>
>> Also, Sendmail will no longer be installed by default, as most Fedora
>> ins
t; the Live Desktop DVD, having been tested and able to manage persistent
> logging in place of syslog.
>
> Also, Sendmail will no longer be installed by default, as most Fedora
> installs have no need of a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA).
Does this mean there won't be any system mail (e.g.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 09:25:54PM -0500, Claude Jones wrote:
> On 11/23/2011 10:14 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
> > Go to Edit> Account Settings, then in the lower left corner select
> > Account Actions> Add Other Account , and finally in the dialog that
> > appears select "Unix Mailspool (Mo
On 11/23/2011 10:14 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Claude Jones
> wrote:
>> > Subject says it all. I have messages coming to my user logon but I can't
>> > figure out a way to get Thunderbird to retrieve them. I could do it with
>> > KMail, but that's broken f
On 11/23/2011 09:06 PM, Claude Jones wrote:
> Subject says it all. I have messages coming to my user logon but I can't
> figure out a way to get Thunderbird to retrieve them. I could do it with
> KMail, but that's broken for me at the moment.
>
The easiest way is probably to install dovecot and
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Claude Jones
wrote:
> Subject says it all. I have messages coming to my user logon but I can't
> figure out a way to get Thunderbird to retrieve them. I could do it with
> KMail, but that's broken for me at the moment.
Go to Edit > Account Settings, then in the lo
Subject says it all. I have messages coming to my user logon but I can't
figure out a way to get Thunderbird to retrieve them. I could do it with
KMail, but that's broken for me at the moment.
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Takehiko Abe wrote:
> ANSI_X3.4-1968 = US-ASCII ⊂ UTF-8
Gotcha.
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On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 20:04 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> I always wondered why system mail was not delievered in utf-8
That's only going to be necessary if the mail contains characters that
aren't part of ASCII. Mail tends to use the simplest character set
necessary f
Petrus de Calguarium writes:
>
> When I receive system mail, I read it on the command line with the 'mail'
program. It appears to be called
> Heirloom Mail version 12.4 7/29/08.
>
> Now, as I scroll down, I see that the system mail is sent as:
>
> Content-Type:
> I always wondered why system mail was not delievered in utf-8.
But it was. ANSI_X3.4-1968 = US-ASCII ⊂ UTF-8
It's like calling {1, 2, 3} a set of natural numbers instead of integers.
Sigh. Am I invisible?
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JB wrote:
> Petrus de Calguarium writes:
>
>>
>> When I receive system mail, I read it on the command line with the 'mail'
> program. It appears to be called
>> Heirloom Mail version 12.4 7/29/08.
>>
>> Now, as I scroll down, I see that the
> Now, as I scroll down, I see that the system mail is sent as:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ANSI_X3.4-1968"
>
> However, my system is set up to use UTF-8.
ANSI_X3.4-1968 is the canonical name for US-ASCII. And UTF-8 is
compatible with US-ASCII.
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Petrus de Calguarium writes:
>
> When I receive system mail, I read it on the command line with the 'mail'
program. It appears to be called
> Heirloom Mail version 12.4 7/29/08.
>
> Now, as I scroll down, I see that the system mail is sent as:
>
> Content-Type:
When I receive system mail, I read it on the command line with the 'mail'
program. It appears to be called Heirloom Mail version 12.4 7/29/08.
Now, as I scroll down, I see that the system mail is sent as:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ANSI_X3.4-1968"
However, my sys
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