On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 18:14 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
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> On 03/08/2012 05:08 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
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> >> That just stops you from taking this to private email and makes
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On 03/08/2012 05:08 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 09:37 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
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>> That just stops you from taking this to private email and makes
sure the
>> discussion stays on the list.
>
> I understand but sometimes it woul
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 09:37 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/08/2012 08:47 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > But most of all go away attacking someone else secure behind your email
> > no-reply screen.
>
> That just stops you from taking this to private email and makes sure the
> discussion stays on th
On 2012/03/08 09:37, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/08/2012 08:47 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
But most of all go away attacking someone else secure behind your email
no-reply screen.
That just stops you from taking this to private email and makes sure the
discussion stays on the list.
Private email (and
On 03/08/2012 08:47 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
But most of all go away attacking someone else secure behind your email
no-reply screen.
That just stops you from taking this to private email and makes sure the
discussion stays on the list.
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On 2012/03/08 08:47, Aaron Konstam wrote:
TO NO-REPLY TIM WITH LOVE AND SQUALOR.
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 18:20 +1030, Tim wrote:
Cause and effect: Has CUPS stopped working because UTC is set? Is
the
time set wrong, and has CUPS stopped working because the time is set
wrong? Is CUPS faulty? H
TO NO-REPLY TIM WITH LOVE AND SQUALOR.
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 18:20 +1030, Tim wrote:
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> Cause and effect: Has CUPS stopped working because UTC is set? Is
> the
> time set wrong, and has CUPS stopped working because the time is set
> wrong? Is CUPS faulty? Has CUPS merely indicated that somet
On 03/08/2012 03:50 PM, Tim wrote:
> I'd never seen a UTC "timezone" setting, nor even heard of anyone
> referring to one.
If you look at the headers of all messages coming *from* you to this
list, you will see
Received: from smtp-mm01.fedoraproject.org (smtp-mm01.fedoraproject.org
[8
By the way, you are also ignorant. You can set your timezone to GMT,
GMT plus and minus N hours, and UTC using the date and time facility.
{+_+}
On 2012/03/07 23:50, Tim wrote:
Tim:
You are misdiagnosing cause and effect.
jdow:
Now you are being imprecise.
Cause and effect: Has CUPS stop
Sigh - twit filter.
I keep at least some timekeeping around here in UTC specifically for the
unambiguous logging it provides. In the past I have maintained clock to
UTC when I kept manual logs. I can see perfectly valid reasons to have
a computer timezone set to UTC. But, I guess you're not only
Tim:
>> You are misdiagnosing cause and effect.
jdow:
> Now you are being imprecise.
Cause and effect: Has CUPS stopped working because UTC is set? Is the
time set wrong, and has CUPS stopped working because the time is set
wrong? Is CUPS faulty? Has CUPS merely indicated that something else
Tim, please read fully and respond to the issues raised. You are falling
into the imprecision of language trap, too.
On 2012/03/06 22:23, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 08:32 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I don't know why I keep responding to you. I said that cups browsing
does not work if you
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 08:32 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> I don't know why I keep responding to you. I said that cups browsing
> does not work if you don't set UTC. Over and over that is what I said.
I respond because that is wrong. It does work. CUPS browsing does work
for people with UTC set a
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 07:48 -0800, jdow wrote:
> Tim, please calm down.
There's noting uncalm about my messages. If I were flaming him, or
anyone else, there'd be no doubt about it. Though he is very close to
being told RTFM.
My messages were blunt, using direct language, avoiding pussyfooting
On 2012/03/06 06:32, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 21:43 +1030, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 09:36 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
It is not hard and that is what I have been saying from the
beginning.
It's the opposite of what you've been saying, repeatedly. Geez.
You kept say
(Top posting intentionally)
Tim, please calm down. He did say that. And it was ambiguous. He meant
the UTC check box on the dialog not the UTC timezone. Remember, they are
two different values. It appears he was set to UTC in hardware but had
not told the OS "hwclock" utility that the hardwar
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On 03/06/2012 08:32 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> I don't know why I keep responding to you. I said that cups browsing
> does not work if you don't set UTC. Over and over that is what I said.
> Both the hardware and system clock were set correctly which
On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 21:43 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 09:36 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > It is not hard and that is what I have been saying from the
> beginning.
>
> It's the opposite of what you've been saying, repeatedly. Geez.
>
> You kept saying CUPS wouldn't work if UTC w
On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 09:36 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> It is not hard and that is what I have been saying from the beginning.
It's the opposite of what you've been saying, repeatedly. Geez.
You kept saying CUPS wouldn't work if UTC was set. That's wrong.
You said that you'd set the clock cor
On 2012/03/05 07:43, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 14:13 -0800, jdow wrote:
... I wrote a whole lot...
I am tired of this argument. Everyone is saying what I said at the
beginning and then arguing with me when they say the same thing.
In the beginning you said the setting the time
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 14:13 -0800, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/03/04 13:57, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 22:39 +1030, Tim wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 10:13 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >>> Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock was
> >>> set to UTC, and
On Mon, 2012-03-05 at 17:15 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 15:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Well your point is incorrect. Cups browsing did not work if UTC was
> > not set. TThe clocks were set correctly. The hardware clock was
> > operating on UTC time and the system clock was run
On 2012/03/04 22:45, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 15:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Well your point is incorrect. Cups browsing did not work if UTC was
not set. TThe clocks were set correctly. The hardware clock was
operating on UTC time and the system clock was running on local time.
You
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 15:57 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Well your point is incorrect. Cups browsing did not work if UTC was
> not set. TThe clocks were set correctly. The hardware clock was
> operating on UTC time and the system clock was running on local time.
You just don't get it, do you?! Y
On 2012/03/04 13:57, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 22:39 +1030, Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 10:13 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock was
set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the UTC
box in system-
On Sun, 2012-03-04 at 22:39 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 10:13 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock was
> > set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the UTC
> > box in system-config-date was not checked. Re
On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 10:13 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock was
> set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the UTC
> box in system-config-date was not checked. Result was cups browsing
> did not work properly
That's
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On 03/03/2012 11:19 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Am 03.03.2012 17:50, schrieb Mikkel L. Ellertson:
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>> On 03/03/2012 10:13 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>> Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock
>>> was set to UTC, and the so
Am 03.03.2012 17:50, schrieb Mikkel L. Ellertson:
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> On 03/03/2012 10:13 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock
>> was set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the
>> UTC box in system-config-date was not checked. Result w
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On 03/03/2012 10:13 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Whatever you theorize, here is what happened. The hardware clock
was set to UTC, and the software clock was local time. However, the
UTC box in system-config-date was not checked. Result was cups
browsing
On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 22:08 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 07:34 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > The above is exactly what happened to me, which prevented cups
> > browsing to occur.
>
> Not so much that CUPS is upset that you had the setting for UTC set, but
> that you had time and/or
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 07:34 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> The above is exactly what happened to me, which prevented cups
> browsing to occur.
Not so much that CUPS is upset that you had the setting for UTC set, but
that you had time and/or timezone set wrong, then.
All services should work proper
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 21:11 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 08:28 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > My hardware was set to UTC time. My system time was set to local time
> > CDT. But until UTC was checked in the system-config-date GUI, nether
> > cups printer browsing would work nor would
On Thu, 2012-03-01 at 08:28 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> My hardware was set to UTC time. My system time was set to local time
> CDT. But until UTC was checked in the system-config-date GUI, nether
> cups printer browsing would work nor would ntpd stay running.
If your hardware is set to UTC, the
On 2012/03/01 06:28, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if we are all speaking the same language. I can't
comment on what VirtualBox does, nor what Windows 7 does, but here is my
experience.
My hardware was set to UTC time. My system time was set to local time
CDT. But until UTC was checked
On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 16:02 -0800, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/02/29 06:33, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 14:10 -0800, jdow wrote:
> >> On 2012/02/28 07:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 18:06 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:
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On 02/29/2012 07:02 PM, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/02/29 06:33, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 14:10 -0800, jdow wrote:
>>> On 2012/02/28 07:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 18:06 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
>
>
>
On 2012/02/29 06:33, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 14:10 -0800, jdow wrote:
On 2012/02/28 07:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 18:06 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Patrick Dupre
wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 14:10 -0800, jdow wrote:
> On 2012/02/28 07:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 18:06 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Patrick Dupre
> >> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am runing chrony
> >>
On 2012/02/28 07:38, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 18:06 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Patrick Dupre
wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/sys
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 18:06 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Patrick Dupre
> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am runing chrony
> chronyd.service - NTP client/server
> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service;
>
OK, it is solved.
The University here, (in Germany) closed all the ports and provide
a time server.
Thank you to every body who tried to help me.
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Department of Chemistry
Comment: ntpd is not deprecated - fedora decided to use chrony as it
is supposed to handle situations like a mobile laptop where you're not
permanently connected to the net.
ntpd is still the benchmark time management tool.
However, if you're using a laptop you may prefer chrony.
g
On Tuesday 28 February 2012 10:28:37 Patrick Dupre wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
> > install rdate with yum or whatever...
> >
> > then as root
> >
> > rdate time.mit.edu
>
> rdate: timeout for time.mit.edu
> rdate: timeout for 0.fedora.pool.ntp.org
What does
ping time.m
On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 19:49 -0600, Kevin Martin wrote:
> I understand that but ntpd (and possibly chrony) had a limit as to how
> far out of sync your system could get before it would not try
> to sync with the ntp servers, hence you had to set the date/time
> manually first to a time within a minu
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Marvin Kosmal wrote:
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.**service; enabled)
Active: active (running) since Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:42
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Kevin Martin wrote:
On 02/27/2012 05:36 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Kevin Martin wrote:
On 02/27/2012 05:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.ser
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 02/27/2012 03:36 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Kevin Martin wrote:
On 02/27/2012 05:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; en
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am runing chrony
> chronyd.service - NTP client/server
> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.**service; enabled)
> Active: active (running) since Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:42:01 +0100;
> 35min ago
>Mai
On 02/27/2012 05:36 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Kevin Martin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/27/2012 05:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am runing chrony
>>> chronyd.service - NTP client/server
>>> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; enabled)
>>>
On 02/28/2012 07:40 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Make sure you have appropriate "server w.x.y.z" lines in your
> chrony.conf file (where ever it is, default /etc/chrony.conf) and
> make sure your firewall allows NTP. I also don't understand why you
> didn't just stick with ntpd.
Probably because chr
On 02/27/2012 03:36 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Kevin Martin wrote:
On 02/27/2012 05:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; enabled)
Active: active (running) since Mon,
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Kevin Martin wrote:
On 02/27/2012 05:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; enabled)
Active: active (running) since Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:42:01 +0100; 35min
On 02/27/2012 05:17 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am runing chrony
> chronyd.service - NTP client/server
> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; enabled)
> Active: active (running) since Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:42:01 +0100; 35min
> ago
> Main PID: 4150 (chron
Hello,
I am runing chrony
chronyd.service - NTP client/server
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/chronyd.service; enabled)
Active: active (running) since Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:42:01 +0100;
35min ago
Main PID: 4150 (chronyd)
CGroup: name=systemd:/system/chronyd.serv
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