On 05/31/2010 11:07 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> The question still stands. If only 19% of current Fedora users (a highly
>>> technical bunch) make use of torrents, my guess is the majority of
>>> new-to-Fedora users would also not.
>>>
>>> ~m
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >The question still stands. If only 19% of current Fedora users (a highly
> >technical bunch) make use of torrents, my guess is the majority of
> >new-to-Fedora users would also not.
> >
> >~m
> >
> And I'll repeat, you did not survey the _us
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >> On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:42:34 -0400
> >>
> >> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >> > Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
> >>
>
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
> >> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page and wer
On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:42:34 -0400
>>
>> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> > Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
>>
>> That is the first question I always ask when I want to download
>> a
On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 06/01/2010 08:42 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> >> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
>> >> they were to se
On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
>> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page and were to ask
>> "Where are the torrents?". Would they be told..."Y
2010/5/31 Máirín Duffy :
> Where do you get the '85%' figure from? Do you seriously believe that
> 85% of Fedora users are subscribed to this mailing list? That's
> ~1,300,000 (~1.3 million) users on this mailing list. Really? Does
> mailman even scale that mough?
With hard facts, I can assure yo
On 06/01/2010 09:39 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> So let's make the assumption that surveys are a useful tool and leave it
> at that. If you are uncomfortable with that assumption then we can't
> engage in this discussion together, I'm sorry.
>
Only when done properly
>
>> Are you saying th
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 21:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >You are not in any position to give personal advice without it coming
> >across in a manner that you I am sure you would not want to purposefully
> >aim for. Personal commentary like this doesn't have any place in this
> >discussion so let's
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 09:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I don't buy into your survey..and the fact that you have concluded that
> only 19% of current users make use of torrents. It is true that 19% of
> the people that knew about your survey, and that chose to respond, use
> torrents. Nothing othe
On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:51 +, g wrote:
>> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +, g wrote:
>> >> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
>> >
>> > On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make po
On 06/01/2010 08:49 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 06/01/2010 08:42 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>
>>>
It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be g
On 05/31/2010 08:55 PM, Jon Stanley wrote:
> 2010/5/31 Máirín Duffy :
>
In the spirit of 'its not dead yet' in the immortal words of monte
python (pre 2.6 version .. :-) - as regards this thread anyway !
(1) I like the page - it is clean and clear and refreshing and I think
serves its purpos
2010/5/31 Máirín Duffy :
> Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
Now that I'm caught up on this thread, and as one of the people who
was consulted during this redesign (note that I'm not a designer or
anything like that), I'll venture to say "no". First, let's take a
look at t
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:42:34 -0400
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
>
> That is the first question I always ask when I want to download
> a new linux distro for testing. I always get bette
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/01/2010 08:42 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >
> >> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
> >> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page
On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:42:34 -0400
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
That is the first question I always ask when I want to download
a new linux distro for testing. I always get better download
performance with torrents.
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On 06/01/2010 08:42 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
>> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page and were to ask
>> "Where are the torrents?". Would they be to
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page and were to ask
> "Where are the torrents?". Would they be told..."You must Goggle to
> find the torrents.", "You s
On 06/01/2010 07:55 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> 4 - Belittle the designer, making remarks and suppositions about their
> personal traits, and give them some motherly/fatherly advice on how they
> must behave according to your preferences and values, and tell them
> everything they say is 'BS' when
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:51 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +, g wrote:
> >> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
> >
> > On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make posts about websites
> > and design in Fedora. If
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:43 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>
> > Folks, this is pretty simple:
> >
> > - If you don't care about the website design, don't follow the website
> > design list.
> >
> > - If you do care about the website design, follow the website design
> > list.
>
> eve
Mike Fedyk wrote:
> 2010/5/31 MáirÃn Duffy :
>> On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
>>> website design means "making the website look pretty"
>> I certainly hope you don't mean to imply that is t
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +, g wrote:
>> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
>
> On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make posts about websites
> and design in Fedora. If you're not interested in websites and design in
> the Fe
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Folks, this is pretty simple:
>
> - If you don't care about the website design, don't follow the website
> design list.
>
> - If you do care about the website design, follow the website design
> list.
even simpler, if you are a website designer, follow website design list
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 18:51 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > I was trying to explain why many people probably don't bother
> looking at
> > posts about web page design until it's too late. Obviously I'm not
> > talking about you or the other designers.
>
> It wasn't obvious. It's hard to interpret
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 17:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 17:15 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
> > > website design means "making th
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:32 +, g wrote:
> what is discussed in this tech support list is what helps keep users using
> what code authors are producing and what red hat ends up using.
s/Red Hat/Fedora contributors
> granted, 'Regarding Get Fedora page' is not what is norm
es we have been trying to get this design out since before
> F12 came out.
what is discussed in this tech support list is what helps keep users using
what code authors are producing and what red hat ends up using.
granted, 'Regarding Get Fedora page' is not what is normally discussed h
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 17:15 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
> > website design means "making the website look pretty"
>
> I certainly hope you don't mean to imply
2010/5/31 Máirín Duffy :
> On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
>> website design means "making the website look pretty"
>
> I certainly hope you don't mean to imply that is the position of the
> folk
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +, g wrote:
> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make posts about websites
and design in Fedora. If you're not interested in websites and design in
the Fedora project, then you likely w
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:46 +, g wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> > Is the list for the team who do their best for the site.
>
> and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list
> for viewing and review?
>
> ma
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
> website design means "making the website look pretty"
I certainly hope you don't mean to imply that is the position of the
folks who worked on the page, because
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 20:33 +, g wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>
> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg4.html
> >
> > "MáirÃn Duffy proposed[13] a few ideas for a new Fedora website design"
>
> that was for fedora 12, and i do not believe it was acce
On 30/05/10 21:33, g wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>
>> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg4.html
>>
>> "MáirÃn Duffy proposed[13] a few ideas for a new Fedora website design"
>
> that was for fedora 12, and i do not believe it was accepted.
>
Work on Fe
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
> website design means "making the website look pretty" and for the most
> part we aren't that bothered. The fact that of course it also refers to
> functionality is something we all need to intern
Frank Murphy wrote:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg4.html
>
> "MáirÃn Duffy proposed[13] a few ideas for a new Fedora website design"
that was for fedora 12, and i do not believe it was accepted.
at least i do not recall fedora 12 looking like it an
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 10:46 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/30/2010 10:38 AM, g wrote:
> > posting notification and a link to new page design to all list can help in
> > prevention because if someone does complain, it is a simple matter to point
> > out that notice was given and comments were
On 05/30/2010 01:31 AM, g wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>
The original announce was good. Do you know if there was a followup -
with something like 'Hey All - we now have a test version of the new
website - please take a look and let us know ... '
One of the strengths of open source mod
On 30/05/10 00:37, g wrote:
--snip--
>
> so, either new web page designs are not being published, i am not getting
> all postings that i should, or show how or other i did not see it.
>
> as i said, such notices should be sent to this list.
>
>
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-l
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> As already pointed out, feedback was requested as part of Fedora Weekly
> News which was send to fedora-announce list back in Oct.
i missed, or do not recall mention of notice being in 'fwn', but i will
accept you word as to such.
tho 'fwn' is one place to send such not
On 05/30/2010 10:38 AM, g wrote:
> posting notification and a link to new page design to all list can help in
> prevention because if someone does complain, it is a simple matter to point
> out that notice was given and comments were requested.
>
As already pointed out, feedback was requested a
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I am uninterested in blaming anyone
this believe, nor should you be.
and, no one at "fault" should be, nor maintain a hurt by what has been said.
but, because of what has happened, proper steps should be taken to prevent
such problems again.
posting notification and a
On 05/29/2010 10:34 PM, g wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>
>
>> Depends on when you did it. As I indicated before, there was some
>> recent changes done in response to feedback here.
>>
> which would have been unnecessary if web page designers had posted
> a link to this list notifying
Frank Murphy wrote:
On 29/05/10 17:46, g wrote:
> --snip--
>> and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list
>> for viewing and review?
>>
>> many followers of this list do not follow website design list.
> Normally most important things are posted to:
> the announce list.
On 29/05/10 17:46, g wrote:
--snip--
>
> and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list
> for viewing and review?
>
> many followers of this list do not follow website design list.
>
Normally most important things are posted to:
the announce list. (low volume)
Which *everone
On 05/29/2010 09:59 AM, g wrote:
> Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
>
>
>> I spent at least five minutes flipping through the pages, going back and
>> forth in circles, looking for the torrent link, before throwing up my hands
>> in disgust and jumping to Google.
>>
> then you need to consider m
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I spent at least five minutes flipping through the pages, going back and
> forth in circles, looking for the torrent link, before throwing up my hands
> in disgust and jumping to Google.
then you need to consider making bookmarks. :)
--
peace out.
tc,hago.
g
.
**
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Depends on when you did it. As I indicated before, there was some
> recent changes done in response to feedback here.
which would have been unnecessary if web page designers had posted
a link to this list notifying of a new page design before putting
up new page.
so, w
Gene Heskett wrote:
>> In the USA, spin has a negative connotation. See "spin doctor".
in a very limited way. 'spin doctor' is more uk/european than it is in usa.
spin is very common and used to mean rotate, revolve.
ie, more commonly;
spin: spin records, spin cd/dvd, spin tires, spin whe
Tim wrote:
> Perhaps so, but that is the response you'll get when you act
> condescendingly towards criticism. There was a lack of people skills on
> both sides.
and brought about by lacking forethought and sharing of intent by page
designers.
--
peace out.
tc,hago.
g
.
in a free wo
Frank Murphy wrote:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> Is the list for the team who do their best for the site.
and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list
for viewing and review?
many followers of this list do not follow website design list.
-
David Boles wrote:
> Since Oct 2009 he worked to find what worked for all. I mean that. It was
> an on going effort. You may notice that a major success it that the KDE
> people did not feel slighted this time. :-)
>
> Tests and questions and more questions. Test pages and more test pages.
and
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 01:29 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> My 'complaint'? all along has been was with the way that the gentleman
> that worked so hard on the site page for so long was attacked. Since
> Oct 2009 he worked to find what worked for all.
First of all, the "gentleman" is a lady (an Anglic
David Boles wrote:
> He asked for ideas, suggestions and much more.
if a wheel [1] is round and it rolls, then it is doing what it is
supposed to.
only way to improve it is to add bearings [2,3,4], which are nothing
but more wheels.
there was nothing wrong with 'get fedora 12 [1] page' as it r
Ed Greshko wrote:
> So, you are suggesting that existing users that are aware of
> http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ bookmark those pages, yes?
bookmarks do help find pages when there is need to return to page.
it is why i use them and i well give credit that that is why
address books were cera
/** replying to nobody, just a feeling */
Others readers may feel the same way?
Can this thread be left for 24 hours,
so temperatures hopefully will fall,
and continue in a balanced fashion afterwards.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
Is the list for the team who do their
On 5/29/2010 1:40 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 01:29 PM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ed. Peace?
>>
> I, for one, was never at war.
>> Perhaps a problem on my part. If so I stand corrected.
>>
> I thought I was clear in that it wasn't your problem. It is a
> limitation as to how the
On 05/29/2010 01:29 PM, David Boles wrote:
>
> Hi Ed. Peace?
>
I, for one, was never at war.
> Perhaps a problem on my part. If so I stand corrected.
>
I thought I was clear in that it wasn't your problem. It is a
limitation as to how the information is presented to you by gmail.
As for the
On 5/29/2010 12:59 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 11:49 AM, David Boles wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 11:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/29/2010 10:58 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>>
I have seen what Raul posted so far. He has not written anything to me
about that. I respect him.
On 05/29/2010 11:49 AM, David Boles wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 11:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 05/29/2010 10:58 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>>> I have seen what Raul posted so far. He has not written anything to me
>>> about that. I respect him. If he had I would respect his wishes.
>>>
>>>
On 5/29/2010 12:01 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 23:38 -0400, David Boles wrote:
>> You, as I recall, are one of the part time users that complained about
>> the layout of the website.
>
> Your recollection is faulty.
Could be. This crap thread has gone on much too long
On 5/28/2010 11:38 PM, Craig White wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 22:52 -0400, David Boles wrote:
>
>> Honest all I was hoping for was no more names and friends united for a
>> common cause.
>
> I'm certain that calling people assholes doesn't convey that message
> whatsoever.
>
> This is co
On 5/28/2010 11:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 10:58 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>> I have seen what Raul posted so far. He has not written anything to me
>> about that. I respect him. If he had I would respect his wishes.
>>
> So, you read what Raul has said...you understand he has indi
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 23:38 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> You, as I recall, are one of the part time users that complained about
> the layout of the website.
Your recollection is faulty.
poc
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On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 22:52 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> Honest all I was hoping for was no more names and friends united for a
> common cause.
I'm certain that calling people assholes doesn't convey that message
whatsoever.
This is coming from someone who agrees with your general sentiments
On 5/28/2010 11:29 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 22:31 -0400, David Boles wrote:
>> And what you said was well said. And you did it WITHOUT attacking
>> anyone! How refreshing!
>>
>> :-) << that smile means that I am smiling.
>
> There isn't a single smiley in the rant yo
On 05/29/2010 10:58 AM, David Boles wrote:
>
> I have seen what Raul posted so far. He has not written anything to me
> about that. I respect him. If he had I would respect his wishes.
>
So, you read what Raul has said...you understand he has indicated that
the folks you pounced on where appropr
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 21:25 -0400, David Boles wrote:
I took your post as self referential ...
O.S (ob :-)
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On 05/29/2010 10:52 AM, David Boles wrote:
>
>
> Several, I can not say you, were not very nice to the person that
> designed the site page.
>
I did say "recent". Meaning the discussion between Bill Crawford,
Patrick O'Callaghan, and Tom Horsley where they are simply discussing
terminology. Si
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 21:25 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> > What on Earth are you talking about? This branch of the thread has
> moved
> > on from complaining about the web page and is now about what spins
> > should be called in future. Get a grip.
>
>
> I have a grip fella. But you people, you at
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 22:31 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> And what you said was well said. And you did it WITHOUT attacking
> anyone! How refreshing!
>
> :-) << that smile means that I am smiling.
There isn't a single smiley in the rant you posted earlier, the one that
starts with the line:
SHUT
On 5/28/2010 10:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 10:20 AM, David Boles wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 9:45 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/29/2010 09:25 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>>
I apologize to all of the other users of this list for my language,
before and now, but... you peo
On 5/28/2010 10:45 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 09:56 AM, David Boles wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 9:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/29/2010 08:56 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>>
On 5/28/2010 8:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
That makes two. You also deserve congratulati
On 5/28/2010 10:21 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2010 19:10:55 -0700
> Mike Fedyk wrote:
>
>> So please count to 10, or maybe 20 and realize that there are many
>> circles of people outside and within fedora that don't watch all other
>> parts of the whole. It just wouldn't scale that w
On 5/28/2010 10:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 04:52 AM, David Boles wrote:
>> SHUT UP!
>>
>> None of you was here when this was talked about? Since October? And now
>> you want to bitch becasue the site does NOT fit YOUR needs. REALLY!
>>
>
> [Snipped]
>
> Calm down. The threa
On 05/29/2010 09:56 AM, David Boles wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 9:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 05/29/2010 08:56 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/28/2010 8:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That makes two. You also deserve congratulations for doing your part.
>>> That makes you part 't
On 05/29/2010 10:20 AM, David Boles wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 9:45 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 05/29/2010 09:25 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>>> I apologize to all of the other users of this list for my language,
>>> before and now, but... you people are assholes!
>>>
>>>
>> I hope you
On 5/28/2010 9:45 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 09:25 AM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>> I apologize to all of the other users of this list for my language,
>> before and now, but... you people are assholes!
>>
> I hope you do realize that that is a personal attack on individuals. I
> am sure
On 5/28/2010 10:10 PM, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote:
>>> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
Well, we aren't talking about de
On 5/28/2010 9:35 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 08:56 AM, David Boles wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 8:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>
>> That makes two. You also deserve congratulations for doing your part.
>> That makes you part 'two' for two.
>>
>>
> No, that simply makes me one of two that
On 05/29/2010 04:52 AM, David Boles wrote:
> SHUT UP!
>
> None of you was here when this was talked about? Since October? And now
> you want to bitch becasue the site does NOT fit YOUR needs. REALLY!
>
[Snipped]
Calm down. The thread has moved towards more constructive feedback and
we do wan
On Fri, 28 May 2010 19:10:55 -0700
Mike Fedyk wrote:
> So please count to 10, or maybe 20 and realize that there are many
> circles of people outside and within fedora that don't watch all other
> parts of the whole. It just wouldn't scale that way.
>
> My recommendation is after the designer SI
On 05/29/2010 07:40 AM, Mike Fedyk wrote:
>
> My recommendation is after the designer SIG has hashed it over,
> attempt getting feedback from the intended audience, and that audience
> is the users list and then the general public.
>
Users list is just one among several possible places. As you
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 4:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote:
>> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, we aren't talking about desktop vs netbook vs server but I guess
>>> it's
On 05/29/2010 09:25 AM, David Boles wrote:
>
> I apologize to all of the other users of this list for my language,
> before and now, but... you people are assholes!
>
I hope you do realize that that is a personal attack on individuals. I
am sure Raul will, upon reading your message, respond.
A
On 05/29/2010 08:56 AM, David Boles wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 8:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 05/29/2010 07:56 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday 28 May 2010 04:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
>>>
>>>
Bittorent sucks. Period.
>>> I am replying just t
On 5/28/2010 8:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 19:22 -0400, David Boles wrote:
>> On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote:
>>> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
Well, we aren't talking
On 5/28/2010 7:56 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Friday 28 May 2010 04:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
>> Bittorent sucks. Period.
>>
>
> I am replying just to disagree with this part of your email.
>
>> A question. Bittorent exists because you are supposed to SHARE. Did YOU?
>> share?
>>
>> One down byte
On 5/28/2010 8:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/29/2010 07:56 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> On Friday 28 May 2010 04:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
>>
>>> Bittorent sucks. Period.
>>>
>>>
>> I am replying just to disagree with this part of your email.
>>
>>
>>> A question. Bittorent exists because
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 19:22 -0400, David Boles wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote:
> > On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, we aren't talking about desktop vs netbook vs server but I guess
> >>
On 05/29/2010 07:56 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Friday 28 May 2010 04:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
>
>> Bittorent sucks. Period.
>>
>>
> I am replying just to disagree with this part of your email.
>
>
>> A question. Bittorent exists because you are supposed to SHARE. Did YOU?
>> share?
>>
>
On Friday 28 May 2010 04:22 PM, David Boles wrote:
> Bittorent sucks. Period.
>
I am replying just to disagree with this part of your email.
> A question. Bittorent exists because you are supposed to SHARE. Did YOU?
> share?
>
> One down byte / and one up byte is the standard. Did you upload at l
On 5/28/2010 4:32 PM, Bill Crawford wrote:
> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
>>
>> Well, we aren't talking about desktop vs netbook vs server but I guess
>> it's immaterial.
>
> Uh, good point. Sorry. More like Ubuntu vs
On Fri, 28 May 2010 17:35:35 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I'm kind of liking Edition. It's certainly preferable to Spin in that it
> actually means something to the general public.
Especially since "Spin" is no doubt some kind of jargon
derived from the observations that CDs spin around, an
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 21:32 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> >> On 28 May 2010 03:54, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> >>
> >> > I agree. I think the word "edition" is better. Fedora KE (KDE
> >> > Ed
On 28 May 2010 18:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
>> On 28 May 2010 03:54, Mike Fedyk wrote:
>>
>> > I agree. I think the word "edition" is better. Fedora KE (KDE
>> > Edition) Fedora GE (Gnome Edition) etc...
>>
>> It is what Ubuntu are
On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 17:48 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> On 28 May 2010 03:54, Mike Fedyk wrote:
>
> > I agree. I think the word "edition" is better. Fedora KE (KDE
> > Edition) Fedora GE (Gnome Edition) etc...
>
> It is what Ubuntu are calling the Desktop / Netbook / Server
> "versions" of
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