Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread Roger
On 13/05/15 17:22, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the pre

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread jd1008
On 05/13/2015 06:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:53:38AM -0600, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:53:38AM -0600, jd1008 wrote: > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would compl

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2015-05-13 at 12:41 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 04:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > >> I only see a plugin for dnf. Is there also one for yum? > >> > > > > I thought there was, but I could be wro

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread jd1008
On 05/13/2015 01:22 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 05/12/2015 04:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> I only see a plugin for dnf. Is there also one for yum? >> > > I thought there was, but I could be wrong. Memory, and all that. yum-plugin-fs-snapshot Rahul -- users mailing

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/12/2015 04:10 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I only see a plugin for dnf. Is there also one for yum? I thought there was, but I could be wrong. Memory, and all that. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorapro

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would complet

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 12:18 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 05/12/2015 11:25 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > >> It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > >> >a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > >> >(from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > >> >decides (for some

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 04:03 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: To do this sort of thing, I'd HIGHLY recommend a full backup and a full reinstall followed by a restore of the home directories and such the OP is interested in. Believe me, this will help preserve the OP's sanity. I'm not disagreeing with you. In f

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/12/2015 01:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:30 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Well, I was talking about reinstalling. There is no fedup for that. Folks like the OP on F17 can not fedup (and have to reinstall for an upgrade) from what I understood. There's always preupgrade. Unlike fedu

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2015-05-12 21:50, Pete Travis wrote: On May 12, 2015 11:54 AM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to t

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> where no such issue exists. > >>> Well, much of the concerns about upgrading/reinstalling are about "losing > >>> data". I have always had a separate /home partition and just mounted it > >>> unformatted and never noticed a difference from one install to the other > >>> (since the days of

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 01:30 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Well, I was talking about reinstalling. There is no fedup for that. Folks like the OP on F17 can not fedup (and have to reinstall for an upgrade) from what I understood. There's always preupgrade. Unlike fedup, I've never had that fail, and would

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 02:30 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:10:19 -0600 jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 1

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:10:19 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 01:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > >> > >> On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>> On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: > > On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, R

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 01:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > >>> On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > >>> > It would be a great idea

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Pete Travis
On May 12, 2015 11:54 AM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would completely obv

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 01:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:12 PM, Steven Stern wrote: The opposite of "fedup"... "UpChuck", perhaps? Well, we already have the unofficial fedora-upgrade, so fedora-downgrade would make sense. :) What would be the antonym of fedup ? How does fedown sound?

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from wh

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 12:12 PM, Steven Stern wrote: The opposite of "fedup"... "UpChuck", perhaps? Well, we already have the unofficial fedora-upgrade, so fedora-downgrade would make sense. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admi

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user dec

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/12/2015 11:25 AM, Neal Becker wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide >a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release >(from which the upgrade was performed), if the user >decides (for some reason) to return to the previous >release. This would completely obviate the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/12/2015 01:47 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 11:59 AM, Ronal B Morse wrote: >> On 05/12/2015 11:53 AM, jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide >>> a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release >>> (from which the upgrade was performed), if the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 11:59 AM, Ronal B Morse wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:53 AM, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the previous re

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 02:25:30PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > jd1008 wrote: > > > > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > > decides (for some reason) to return to the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Hi, This would be a great idea, but I would like to have only as an opportunity, to create full image backup or files to the user local storage, or cloud storage along within some 'Hiren's boot cd'-like tools from the boot menu. Earlier we have given such tools, but never the opportunity to have i

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would complet

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Neal Becker
jd1008 wrote: > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would completely obviate the need to > do a backu

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/12/2015 07:53 PM, jd1008 wrote: This would completely obviate the need to do a backup, and restore - especially for a 1TB or more drives (I have a 4TB drive, for example). Off-topic, but do you consider using a 1TB or 4TB "/" partition to be a reasonable idea? I don't. Ralf -- users m

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ronal B Morse
On 05/12/2015 11:53 AM, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the previous release. This would completely obviate the need to

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release I always keep two system partitions. One with this release, and one with the previous release. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproj

an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the previous release. This would completely obviate the need to do a backup, and restore - especially