On 4/12/24 21:23, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 12/3/24 1:31 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 3/12/24 13:30, Tim via users wrote:
I didn't remember ever seeing an option in Thunderbird to suppress
those messages but that was a reasonable check to do.
Apparently, at some stage Thunderbird had an option for
On 5/12/24 09:28, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 4/12/24 21:23, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 12/3/24 1:31 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 3/12/24 13:30, Tim via users wrote:
I didn't remember ever seeing an option in Thunderbird to suppress
those messages but that was a reasonable check to do.
Apparently, at
On 4/12/24 21:03, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2024-12-04 at 11:11 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
Out of what are probably the two current main ones on Linux, Evolution
and Thunderbird, I found Evolution to be the least worst. I know,
that's a terrible way to select a program to use. Thunde
On 4/12/24 11:41, Tim via users wrote:
Stephen Morris:
I'm not sure how Evolution does its thing as I've never used it. If I
had the time to invest in setting up a mail system I would still be
using Lotus Notes.
Over the years I've used Amiga, Windows, Linux, Mac, and mainframes
before the publ
On Wed, 2024-12-04 at 11:04 +, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> Doesn't Claws Mail satisfy all this criteria? To me, undoubtedly.
I did look at it, ages ago. And I do mean a very long time ago (this
will be in the pre-Fedora era of Red Hat Linux). I didn't like it at
the time, for reasons I've
On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:11:33 +1030
"Tim via users" wrote:
> Stephen Morris:
> > I'm not sure how Evolution does its thing as I've never used it. If I
> > had the time to invest in setting up a mail system I would still be
> > using Lotus Notes.
>
> Over the years I've used Amiga, Windows, Linu
On 12/3/24 1:31 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 3/12/24 13:30, Tim via users wrote:
I didn't remember ever seeing an option in Thunderbird to suppress
those messages but that was a reasonable check to do.
Apparently, at some stage Thunderbird had an option for that (it called
it QuoteCollapse), an
On Wed, 2024-12-04 at 11:11 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> Out of what are probably the two current main ones on Linux, Evolution
> and Thunderbird, I found Evolution to be the least worst. I know,
> that's a terrible way to select a program to use. Thunderbird's
> slowness and what you see as you
On Wed, 2024-12-04 at 08:31 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> I'm not sure how to enter an about:config as there is no command line
> to enter that into to find out if there is an internal option.
No, I couldn't figure out the trick, either. It used to be doable
without too much tearing out your hai
Stephen Morris:
> I'm not sure how Evolution does its thing as I've never used it. If I
> had the time to invest in setting up a mail system I would still be
> using Lotus Notes.
Over the years I've used Amiga, Windows, Linux, Mac, and mainframes
before the public internet (still have a few Data G
On 3/12/24 13:30, Tim via users wrote:
I didn't remember ever seeing an option in Thunderbird to suppress
those messages but that was a reasonable check to do.
Apparently, at some stage Thunderbird had an option for that (it called
it QuoteCollapse), and I saw a comment that it may have come bac
On 3/12/24 13:09, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2024-12-03 at 09:15 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
That's interesting. In Thunderbird I'm seeing things differently,
depending on who is reply to threads I'm seeing the entire quote with
a black line down the side and text in black, for other people I
On 3/12/24 09:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 12/2/24 2:15 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 2/12/24 22:39, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 08:54 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
Sorry, this is my fault. I'm used to working with html mails where
the response is black text and the quotes are colour
On Tue, 2024-12-03 at 09:15 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> That's interesting. In Thunderbird I'm seeing things differently,
> depending on who is reply to threads I'm seeing the entire quote with
> a black line down the side and text in black, for other people I see
> a coloured stripe and the tex
On Tue, 2024-12-03 at 09:19 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> I didn't remember ever seeing an option in Thunderbird to suppress
> those messages but that was a reasonable check to do.
Apparently, at some stage Thunderbird had an option for that (it called
it QuoteCollapse), and I saw a comment that
On 12/2/24 2:15 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 2/12/24 22:39, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 08:54 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
Sorry, this is my fault. I'm used to working with html mails where
the response is black text and the quotes are colour coded for quotes
from different respo
On Tue, 2024-12-03 at 09:15 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> In my response to Patrick on this formatting, I've only started seeing
> your mails and one of Patrick's carved up that way in the last week, and
> like I said to Patrick, I'm not saying it is a problem I'm just saying
> from what I'm us
On 2/12/24 22:22, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
Again, look through your preferences, and see if there are options
about hiding/muting/suppressing quoted text. Various mail programs
have that option.
Stephen Morris:
I have Thunderbird configured to automatically quote the original
message
On 2/12/24 22:39, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 08:54 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
Sorry, this is my fault. I'm used to working with html mails where
the response is black text and the quotes are colour coded for quotes
from different responders, and I keep forgetting that environme
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 08:54 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> Sorry, this is my fault. I'm used to working with html mails where
> the response is black text and the quotes are colour coded for quotes
> from different responders, and I keep forgetting that environments
> that insist on using text only
Tim:
> > Again, look through your preferences, and see if there are options
> > about hiding/muting/suppressing quoted text. Various mail programs
> > have that option.
Stephen Morris:
> I have Thunderbird configured to automatically quote the original
> message being replied to.
Since you
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 09:24 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > Not sure what you mean. The style you mention is the default in
> > Evolution and other mailers, and is what I've been using for over 20
> > years.
>
> In the previous mail I was referring to, where Tim's name appears above
> his portio
On 2/12/24 09:10, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 08:54 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
Quite apart from making a clear distinction between quotes and new
content, for humans to read easier. Many mail programs will join the
reply into being part of the quote without the blank line
On 1/12/24 17:04, Tim via users wrote:
The issue with this is what you have shown is what Thunderbird used
to always show to identify who said what which I find extremely
useful to understand response history and the context of replies.
Again, look through your preferences, and see if there ar
On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 08:54 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > Quite apart from making a clear distinction between quotes and new
> > content, for humans to read easier. Many mail programs will join the
> > reply into being part of the quote without the blank line between them.
> >
> Sorry, this is
On 1/12/24 22:23, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
Also, leave a blank line between quotes and your replies. It is very
hard to read mail when everything is just one huge block.
Patrick O'Callaghan:
This. Drives me crazy. How hard is it to hit a single Return before
starting to type?
Twice is even
Tim:
> > Also, leave a blank line between quotes and your replies. It is very
> > hard to read mail when everything is just one huge block.
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> This. Drives me crazy. How hard is it to hit a single Return before
> starting to type?
Twice is even better...
Quite apart from mak
On 11/30/24 4:24 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 1/12/24 10:53, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/30/24 3:44 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 1/12/24 10:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/30/24 3:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
As a comparison, have a look through your menus f
On Sun, 2024-12-01 at 16:34 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> Also, leave a blank line between quotes and your replies. It is very
> hard to read mail when everything is just one huge block.
This. Drives me crazy. How hard is it to hit a single Return before
starting to type?
poc
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On Sun, 2024-12-01 at 10:04 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> The issue with this is what you have shown is what Thunderbird used
> to always show to identify who said what which I find extremely
> useful to understand response history and the context of replies.
Again, look through your preferences
On 1/12/24 10:53, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/30/24 3:44 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 1/12/24 10:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/30/24 3:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
As a comparison, have a look through your menus for "view source" and
see what a message look
On 11/30/24 3:44 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 1/12/24 10:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/30/24 3:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
As a comparison, have a look through your menus for "view source" and
see what a message looks like before Thunderbird converts it
On 1/12/24 10:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/30/24 3:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
As a comparison, have a look through your menus for "view source" and
see what a message looks like before Thunderbird converts it into its
own HTML rendition of the message (
On 11/30/24 3:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
As a comparison, have a look through your menus for "view source" and
see what a message looks like before Thunderbird converts it into its
own HTML rendition of the message (regardless of whether it was HTML or
p
On 30/11/24 20:05, Tim via users wrote:
On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 11:40 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
What I was looking for as a signature was something like I specify at
the bottom of my mails, which seems to be missing from a lot of other
people's mails.
Ah! PGP... Few do that (that I see).
Fo
On 30/11/24 13:27, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/29/24 4:40 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 28/11/24 20:54, Tim via users wrote:
Stephen Morris wrote:
Just an off topic question, I've noticed recently that when I preview
a mail from this list I no longer get any indication of who the email
came from i
On Sat, 2024-11-30 at 11:40 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> What I was looking for as a signature was something like I specify at
> the bottom of my mails, which seems to be missing from a lot of other
> people's mails.
Ah! PGP... Few do that (that I see).
For the most part, it's a waste of time
On 11/29/24 4:40 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 28/11/24 20:54, Tim via users wrote:
Stephen Morris wrote:
Just an off topic question, I've noticed recently that when I preview
a mail from this list I no longer get any indication of who the email
came from in the body of the mail, and if there is
On 28/11/24 20:54, Tim via users wrote:
Stephen Morris wrote:
Just an off topic question, I've noticed recently that when I preview
a mail from this list I no longer get any indication of who the email
came from in the body of the mail, and if there is no signature, with
the from being "Communit
On 28/11/24 20:11, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/27/24 1:57 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 27/11/24 12:48, Tim via users wrote:
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:46 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
This is true, and I know this can be done under DNF, but I'm using
that to decide whether it is worth doing the upgr
On 28/11/24 20:08, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/27/24 1:35 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 27/11/24 14:19, Samuel Sieb wrote:
If you run it under sudo, it has no knowledge of a user running it.
You will have to do the clean as the user if you want to do that.
Apparently I did test this at some point
Stephen Morris wrote:
> > Just an off topic question, I've noticed recently that when I preview
> > a mail from this list I no longer get any indication of who the email
> > came from in the body of the mail, and if there is no signature, with
> > the from being "Community support for Fedora users"
Stephen Morris:
> > Looking at /var/cache/dnf begs the question of where is it specified for
> > each repository how many cached copies dnf is going to keep. For the
> > Fedora, Updates, Fedora Cisco, Rpmfusion-Free and Rpmfusion-Nonfree it
> > seems to be keeping 5 copies, but for non-Fedora re
On 11/27/24 1:29 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 27/11/24 13:08, Tim via users wrote:
*Very* old info suggested:
/var/cache/dnf is when dnf is used with superuser
/var/tmp/dnf-- is when you run it as you
Have a look, see if that's still the case.
I did check this out and as you have su
On 11/27/24 1:57 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 27/11/24 12:48, Tim via users wrote:
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:46 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
This is true, and I know this can be done under DNF, but I'm using
that to decide whether it is worth doing the upgrade in terms of the
volume of updates t
On 11/27/24 1:35 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 27/11/24 14:19, Samuel Sieb wrote:
If you run it under sudo, it has no knowledge of a user running it.
You will have to do the clean as the user if you want to do that.
Apparently I did test this at some point because there's a dnf-*
directory own
On Thu, 2024-11-28 at 08:57 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> Just an off topic question, I've noticed recently that when I preview
> a mail from this list I no longer get any indication of who the email
> came from in the body of the mail, and if there is no signature, with
> the from being "Communit
On 28/11/24 09:15, Go Canes wrote:
On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:57 PM Stephen Morris
wrote:
[...] dnf check-upgrade seems to me to be new with dnf5
I've been using dnf check-upgrade for years.
Thankyou. I'd only noticed that command as a result of issuing dnf
--help since I upgraded to F41.
re
On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:57 PM Stephen Morris
wrote:
> [...] dnf check-upgrade seems to me to be new with dnf5
I've been using dnf check-upgrade for years.
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On 27/11/24 12:48, Tim via users wrote:
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:46 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
This is true, and I know this can be done under DNF, but I'm using
that to decide whether it is worth doing the upgrade in terms of the
volume of updates that will be put on. If there are only 3 upda
On 27/11/24 14:19, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/26/24 1:38 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 26/11/24 11:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/25/24 1:49 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 25/11/24 18:42, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/24/24 2:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have to questions around what that command
On 27/11/24 13:08, Tim via users wrote:
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:38 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
Which then begs the question, if I issue the command "sudo dnf clean
all" which cleans out the system state, does it also clean out the
current user's data if it exists as well, or do you have to iss
On 11/26/24 1:38 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 26/11/24 11:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/25/24 1:49 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 25/11/24 18:42, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/24/24 2:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have to questions around what that command is doing.
1). Why is it produc
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:38 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> Which then begs the question, if I issue the command "sudo dnf clean
> all" which cleans out the system state, does it also clean out the
> current user's data if it exists as well, or do you have to issue the
> command not under sudo as we
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:46 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> This is true, and I know this can be done under DNF, but I'm using
> that to decide whether it is worth doing the upgrade in terms of the
> volume of updates that will be put on. If there are only 3 updates to
> put on then its not necessar
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:30 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> My main concern was, if I use dnf to install a local rpm and
> afterwards I issue sudo dnf clean all to reclaim space (not that at
> the moment I have a need to be concerned about disk space) does that
> remove knowledge of the rpm having b
On 27/11/24 09:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:51 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 26/11/24 12:10, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2024-11-26 at 09:02 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
I assumed that when dnf retrieved it's metadata it was updating the
standard system locations
On Wed, 2024-11-27 at 08:51 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 26/11/24 12:10, Tim via users wrote:
> > On Tue, 2024-11-26 at 09:02 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > > I assumed that when dnf retrieved it's metadata it was updating the
> > > standard system locations which a normal user can't update,
On 27/11/24 08:50, Jonathan Billings wrote:
On Nov 26, 2024, at 16:30, Stephen Morris wrote:
My main concern was, if I use dnf to install a local rpm and afterwards I issue
sudo dnf clean all to reclaim space (not that at the moment I have a need to be
concerned about disk space) does that rem
On 26/11/24 12:10, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2024-11-26 at 09:02 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
I assumed that when dnf retrieved it's metadata it was updating the
standard system locations which a normal user can't update, I didn't
know it was caching the data elsewhere.
If you haven't given
On Nov 26, 2024, at 16:30, Stephen Morris wrote:
> My main concern was, if I use dnf to install a local rpm and afterwards I
> issue sudo dnf clean all to reclaim space (not that at the moment I have a
> need to be concerned about disk space) does that remove knowledge of the rpm
> having been
On 26/11/24 11:35, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/25/24 2:02 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 25/11/24 22:43, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 09:04 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:" and "Repositories loaded." with nothing betw
On 26/11/24 11:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/25/24 1:49 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 25/11/24 18:42, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/24/24 2:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have to questions around what that command is doing.
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repo
On 26/11/24 09:47, Will McDonald wrote:
Repo metadata is this stuff:
https://blog.packagecloud.io/yum-repository-internals/
It's hosted remotely with the repositories, mirrored locally for speed
when cache expires and is pretty much entirely throwaway, because you
can (normally) always get a
On Tue, 2024-11-26 at 09:02 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> I assumed that when dnf retrieved it's metadata it was updating the
> standard system locations which a normal user can't update, I didn't
> know it was caching the data elsewhere.
If you haven't given the magic password, no command is goi
On 11/25/24 5:02 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 22:47 +, Will McDonald wrote:
What's been updated *on a local system,* is separate, distinct. I
would guess that the source of truth here would be the rpmdb, maybe
with a scattering of DNF data sources for speed, I've not looked
On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 22:47 +, Will McDonald wrote:
> What's been updated *on a local system,* is separate, distinct. I
> would guess that the source of truth here would be the rpmdb, maybe
> with a scattering of DNF data sources for speed, I've not looked into
> it in any detail.
I was under
On 11/25/24 1:49 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 25/11/24 18:42, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/24/24 2:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have to questions around what that command is doing.
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:"and "Repositories loaded." wi
On 11/25/24 2:02 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 25/11/24 22:43, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 09:04 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
1).Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:" and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them
which means that it didn't do
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 at 22:23, Stephen Morris
wrote:
> With the explanation of what dnf is doing, if an end used runs the dnf
> clean command with whatever obligatory sub-command they chose will their
> repositories lose all knowledge of what packages have been updated, or will
> dnf update/upgrad
On 26/11/24 09:05, Will McDonald wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 at 21:46, Stephen Morris
wrote:
On 25/11/24 09:58, Will McDonald wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 at 22:21, Stephen Morris
wrote:
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and
loading repositori
On Mon, 25 Nov 2024 at 21:46, Stephen Morris
wrote:
> On 25/11/24 09:58, Will McDonald wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 at 22:21, Stephen Morris
> wrote:
>
>> 1).Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
>> repositories:" and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them
>>
On 25/11/24 22:43, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 09:04 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
1).Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:" and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them
which means that it didn't do anything? This functionality is
independent
On 25/11/24 18:42, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 11/24/24 2:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have to questions around what that command is doing.
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:"and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them
which means that it
On 25/11/24 09:58, Will McDonald wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 at 22:21, Stephen Morris
wrote:
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:"and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them
which means that it didn't do anything? This functionalit
On Mon, 2024-11-25 at 09:04 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> 1).Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
> repositories:" and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them
> which means that it didn't do anything? This functionality is
> independent of whether the command is
On 11/24/24 2:04 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
I have to questions around what that command is doing.
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:"and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them which
means that it didn't do anything? This functionality
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 at 22:21, Stephen Morris
wrote:
> 1).Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
> repositories:" and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them which
> means that it didn't do anything? This functionality is independent of
> whether the command is iss
Hi,
I have to questions around what that command is doing.
1). Why is it producing the messages "Updating and loading
repositories:"and "Repositories loaded." with nothing between them which
means that it didn't do anything? This functionality is independent of
whether the command is
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