On Thu, 2022-07-28 at 12:40 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 21:11 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> > There have been some useful studies comparing different password
> > policies. Very long plain text passphrases without time limits
> > are
> > now recommended over shorter
On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 18:17 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> Most sites that want to use your gmail address will redirect you to
> google to do the authentication. If not, then don't enter your
> password. And any site that stores plain-text passwords should be
> banned from the internet.
Unfortun
On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 21:11 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> There have been some useful studies comparing different password
> policies. Very long plain text passphrases without time limits are
> now recommended over shorter passwords that expire every month or
> two.
About time!
> I have
On 7/27/22 15:37, Tim via users wrote:
Tim:
Of course you get banks that only let you set an 8-character
password, all in the name of security.
Joe Zeff:
OK, just use F$ckY0u!
Password already in use, please choose another...
More joking aside, I'll bet that's a very common one.
There's a
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 7:37 PM Tim via users
wrote:
> Tim:
> >> Of course you get banks that only let you set an 8-character
> >> password, all in the name of security.
>
I've avoided using online bank accounts. When I complain
about a withdrawal I didn't make, banks say you must have
given yo
Tim:
>> Of course you get banks that only let you set an 8-character
>> password, all in the name of security.
Joe Zeff:
> OK, just use F$ckY0u!
Password already in use, please choose another...
More joking aside, I'll bet that's a very common one.
There's an awful lot of things that want you t
On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 11:04 -0400, Go Canes wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:05 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
> > > Check into one of the KeePass variants.
> >
> > It has nothing to do with the specific password manager. I'm
> > talking
> > about banks that block the browser from filling in
On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 23:43 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> Tim:
> > > It's just one of those exercises in manifest stupidity and
> > > bureaucracy for the sake of it. Oooh, ooh, it's possible for us
> > > to
> > > make a rule about resetting passwords, so we will.
>
> Patrick O'Callaghan:
> > Thes
On 7/27/22 08:13, Tim via users wrote:
Of course you get banks that only let you set an 8-character password,
all in the name of security.
OK, just use F$ckY0u!
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:05 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> > Check into one of the KeePass variants.
>
> It has nothing to do with the specific password manager. I'm talking
> about banks that block the browser from filling in fields on their web
> page. I have have one that won't even let me u
Tim:
>> It's just one of those exercises in manifest stupidity and
>> bureaucracy for the sake of it. Oooh, ooh, it's possible for us to
>> make a rule about resetting passwords, so we will.
Patrick O'Callaghan:
> These "rules" were formulated in the Olden Days, when people had at
> most one or t
On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 09:48 -0400, Go Canes wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 5:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
> wrote:
> > [...] Those same banks won't let me use my password manager to
> > create a genuinely random password and remember it for me.
>
> Check into one of the KeePass variants.
It has n
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 5:22 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> [...] Those same banks won't let me use my password manager to
> create a genuinely random password and remember it for me.
Check into one of the KeePass variants.
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On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 08:22 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 18:50 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > there's no point in expiring the password to an account
> > you're using yourself...
>
> I see no point in ever expiring any password, unless you're auto-
> locking out sacked emplo
On 7/26/22 15:52, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 18:50 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
there's no point in expiring the password to an account
you're using yourself...
I see no point in ever expiring any password, unless you're auto-
locking out sacked employees because you're too incomp
On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 18:50 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> there's no point in expiring the password to an account
> you're using yourself...
I see no point in ever expiring any password, unless you're auto-
locking out sacked employees because you're too incompetent to do the
job properly when they
On 7/25/22 18:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 7/23/22 18:18, stan via users wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 10:04:37 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 7/22/22 08:12, stan via users wrote:
passwd --unlock --expire root
Hi Stan,
Why did you throw --expire on the above command?
-e, --
On 7/23/22 18:18, stan via users wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 10:04:37 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 7/22/22 08:12, stan via users wrote:
passwd --unlock --expire root
Hi Stan,
Why did you throw --expire on the above command?
-e, --expire
This is a quick way to expire a pas
On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 6:14 PM Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 7/24/22 14:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> >>
> >
> > I assume these are 3rd party rpms. If you found something like that in
> > Fedora, you should file a bug.
>
> I doubt it, as I've always tended to stick to the repos. It was years
> ago, and I do
On 7/24/22 14:09, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I assume these are 3rd party rpms. If you found something like that in
Fedora, you should file a bug.
I doubt it, as I've always tended to stick to the repos. It was years
ago, and I don't remember which packages they were.
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> On 24 Jul 2022, at 09:59, Tim via users wrote:
>
> Tim via users wrote:
>>> It's far more convenient for me to open a terminal and "su -" so I
>>> can do a mass of text editing setting up servers, than sudo each
>>> thing (*).
>
>
> Samuel Sieb:
>> (*) "sudo -i"
>
> I can't see any tangib
On 7/24/22 01:58, Tim via users wrote:
Tim via users wrote:
It's far more convenient for me to open a terminal and "su -" so I
can do a mass of text editing setting up servers, than sudo each
thing (*).
Samuel Sieb:
(*) "sudo -i"
I can't see any tangible difference between doing "su -" and
On 7/24/22 11:49, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 7/24/22 11:52, George N. White III wrote:
"sudo" has configuration to allow specific commands for some group,
but as a
consequence, has an increased footprint for exploits (via bugs or
misconfiguration).
There was a time that I removed sudo from my Fedor
On 7/24/22 11:52, George N. White III wrote:
"sudo" has configuration to allow specific commands for some group, but
as a
consequence, has an increased footprint for exploits (via bugs or
misconfiguration).
There was a time that I removed sudo from my Fedora installation as
redundant, as I
On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 5:59 AM Tim via users
wrote:
> Tim via users wrote:
> >> It's far more convenient for me to open a terminal and "su -" so I
> >> can do a mass of text editing setting up servers, than sudo each
> >> thing (*).
>
>
> Samuel Sieb:
> > (*) "sudo -i"
>
> I can't see any tang
On 7/24/22 02:58, Tim via users wrote:
I can't see any tangible difference between doing "su -" and then using
the command line as root user to do a pile of things, or starting off
by doing "sudo -i" instead (at least not in the Mate terminal).
Three less keystrokes.
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On Sat, 2022-07-23 at 18:21 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 23:04:43 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> > Root is always UID 0.
>
> Thanks for correcting me. I *know* this, I see it every day when I
> run
> ls -n on directories, or top, and yet, my brain somehow went to
Tim via users wrote:
>> It's far more convenient for me to open a terminal and "su -" so I
>> can do a mass of text editing setting up servers, than sudo each
>> thing (*).
Samuel Sieb:
> (*) "sudo -i"
I can't see any tangible difference between doing "su -" and then using
the command line as ro
On 7/23/22 20:31, Tim via users wrote:
I always do. It's far more convenient for me to open a terminal and
"su -" so I can do a mass of text editing setting up servers, than sudo
each thing (*). I don't do graphical logins as root, so I have no idea
if that still works.
(*) "sudo -i"
On 7/23/22 21:31, Tim via users wrote:
If I was forced to sudo
every one of those, the password would end up being shortened to
something easier to type.
And that's why I always set up Linux with a root password.
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On Sat, 2022-07-23 at 18:18 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> The new installs, from what I understand, do not set up a root
> account password as part of the install process.
I installed Fedora 36 not long ago, Mate spin. There was an
opportunity to set up root while the install was going on.
I al
On Sat, 23 Jul 2022 18:21:15 -0700
stan wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 23:04:43 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> > Root is always UID 0.
>
> Thanks for correcting me. I *know* this, I see it every day when I
> run ls -n on directories, or top, and yet, my brain somehow went to 1.
>
An
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 23:04:43 +0100
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Root is always UID 0.
Thanks for correcting me. I *know* this, I see it every day when I run
ls -n on directories, or top, and yet, my brain somehow went to 1.
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2022 10:04:37 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 7/22/22 08:12, stan via users wrote:
> > passwd --unlock --expire root
>
> Hi Stan,
>
>
> Why did you throw --expire on the above command?
>
> -e, --expire
> This is a quick way to expire a password for an
> a
On Fri, 2022-07-22 at 08:12 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 12:19:37 -0700
> Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
> > On 7/21/22 11:18, stan via users wrote:
> > > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 16:48:57 +0200
> > > Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > >
> > > > How can I have a root account, which execute the b
On 7/22/22 08:12, stan via users wrote:
passwd --unlock --expire root
Hi Stan,
Why did you throw --expire on the above command?
-e, --expire
This is a quick way to expire a password for an
account. The user will be forced to change the
password during the next login attempt.
On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 12:19:37 -0700
Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/21/22 11:18, stan via users wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 16:48:57 +0200
> > Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >
> >> How can I have a root account, which execute the bash files
> >> (.bashrc ..) at login ?
> >
> > I haven't actually tried
On 7/21/22 17:08, Stephen Morris wrote:
From previous experience when I was using Fedora in a VM under windows,
and I needed the "root" account, Fedora no longer creates the root
account at installation and you have to go through a series of steps to
actually create it, which I was given by a
On 7/21/22 16:08, Stephen Morris wrote:
From previous experience when I was using Fedora in a VM under windows,
and I needed the "root" account, Fedora no longer creates the root
account at installation and you have to go through a series of steps to
actually create it, which I was given by a
On 22/7/22 05:57, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 7/21/22 07:48, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
How can I have a root account, which execute the bash files
(.bashrc ..) at login ?
Thank
Not sure what you are asking. If you
want to logon as root, just enter "root"
as the user name.
If you wan
On 7/21/22 07:48, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
How can I have a root account, which execute the bash files
(.bashrc ..) at login ?
Thank
Not sure what you are asking. If you
want to logon as root, just enter "root"
as the user name.
If you want to logon as a regular user and
run something au
On 7/21/22 13:19, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I don't understand how this is an answer to the question. There is
always a root account, you can't create one. I think he just wants it
to run ".bashrc" at login which it isn't (?) for some reason.
It's possible that he's using su, not su -. The fi
On 7/21/22 11:18, stan via users wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 16:48:57 +0200
Patrick Dupre wrote:
How can I have a root account, which execute the bash files
(.bashrc ..) at login ?
I haven't actually tried this since all my systems so far have had a
root account, but
sudo useradd -u 1 -p thro
On 7/21/22 12:18, stan via users wrote:
There is a possible security hole here if you are on a system
with multiple users, since someone could see that the root account has
been created, set to expired, login, and have root access. Unlikely.
That's not a problem if you do it right. As soon as
On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 16:48:57 +0200
Patrick Dupre wrote:
> How can I have a root account, which execute the bash files
> (.bashrc ..) at login ?
I haven't actually tried this since all my systems so far have had a
root account, but
sudo useradd -u 1 -p throwawaypassword root
should do the trick.
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