Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 22:20 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 7 April 2012 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: > >> Fernando has the > >> same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit "Reply to All" - he > >> has no such option. > > > > Actual

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/07/2012 07:20 PM, David wrote: Honest to goodness people! There are some people that will never let the truth, the facts, or reality interfere with what they have been told to believe. Ah! So this is where you've been hiding. Just in lurk mode, I re-subscribed just to see how Fedora_us

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/07/2012 03:47 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: Changing the subject has little relevance to how mail clients thread the messages. But then I'm guessing you're going to say that's wrong too. Not everybody has their mail client thread messages. Personally, I've always preferred to read them in chron

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread David
On 4/7/2012 6:03 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 07.04.2012 23:41, schrieb Sam Sharpe: >> Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers >> of the message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad >> etiquette: >> >> To: Fedora List Reply-To: >> p...@pricom.com.au, C

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 23:56, Reindl Harald wrote: > so may have not - but the will even not if you paint > them a picture - so hwat exactly is your danmed problem? I've been trying to work out what your problem is all day, you started this thread, not me. You could have ended it right after I pointed o

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2012 00:47, schrieb Sam Sharpe: > On 7 April 2012 23:36, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: >>> All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that >>> initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name >>> dropping Wietse

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 23:36, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: >> All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that >> initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name >> dropping Wietse and grow up, you are 34 years old, so start acting

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: > All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that > initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name > dropping Wietse and grow up, you are 34 years old, so start acting it. > I only dropped my credentials in there because

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 23:03, Reindl Harald wrote: > so no, you can not impress me with any reference and the fact that > you stil do not understand why "reply all" is idiotic (to say it clear) > shows that you are one more of the "big but failing" At no point have I discussed whether reply to all is c

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 23:41, schrieb Sam Sharpe: > Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers of the > message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad etiquette: > > To: Fedora List > Reply-To: p...@pricom.com.au, > Community support for Fedora users > > Do you a

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 23:41, schrieb Sam Sharpe: > Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers of the > message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad etiquette: > > To: Fedora List > Reply-To: p...@pricom.com.au, > Community support for Fedora users > > Do you a

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 20:04, Reindl Harald wrote: > well, reply is enough to act correct > each list-message has a "Reply-To"-header > > so everyone even with gmail must be ignorant to > say "it is not the fault of the user" > - > > X-BeenThere: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Errors-To

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> Fernando has the >> same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit "Reply to All" - he >> has no such option. > > Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it doesn't have is >

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 21:43, schrieb jdow: > On 2012/04/07 10:55, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> correct, but there will always be Reindl, you are a useful >> new users which are not member of this list. Please >> realizing that they are doing drop this nonsense so thi

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread jdow
On 2012/04/07 10:55, Reindl Harald wrote: correct, but there will always be Reindl, you are a useful > new users which are not member of this list. Please realizing that they are doing drop this nonsense so this > something wrong and they can

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 21:27, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:20:31 +0200, > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> set reply-to headers is for people who are unable for >> "reply-to-list" by their bad mail-program or ignorance > > Not exactly. The reason people started doing this as people

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:20:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: set reply-to headers is for people who are unable for "reply-to-list" by their bad mail-program or ignorance Not exactly. The reason people started doing this as people were meaning to reply to list messages, but were using the re

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 21:08, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:04:38 +0200, > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> well, reply is enough to act correct >> each list-message has a "Reply-To"-header > > No each list doesn't have that. Many Fedora lists do. so what, we are speaking about thi

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 21:04:38 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: well, reply is enough to act correct each list-message has a "Reply-To"-header No each list doesn't have that. Many Fedora lists do. Doing this (lists munging reply-to headers) is also a bad idea, as it breaks the reply to sender

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 20:21, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> Fernando has the >> same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit "Reply to All" - he >> has no such option. > > Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it doesn't have is

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: > Fernando has the > same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit "Reply to All" - he > has no such option. Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it doesn't have is Reply to List. That's one reason I access my lists via Evolu

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 19:31, schrieb Craig White: > On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 18:21 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> register on a mailing-list usually means people >> are sending and replying to the list-adress and >> that there is no reason for "reply all" >> >> there is no "i want mails twice" setting >>

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 18:21 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > register on a mailing-list usually means people > are sending and replying to the list-adress and > that there is no reason for "reply all" > > there is no "i want mails twice" setting > so nobody can imply "reply all" is the right actio

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 04/08/2012 12:41 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Sam Sharpe >> wrote: >>> The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with >>> a message indicating the correct new list address, instead

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/08/2012 12:41 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with >> a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of >> forwarding it on to the real list address. It's been a

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 00:35:25 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: I would lobby the fedora list managers to deactivate the fedora-l...@redhat.com address and return an error message to anyone sending to that list address. Everyone who has expressed an opinion in this thread seems to be in agreemen

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 18:21:09 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: because i get often enough mails twice as reply and i can not remember that i configured anything in a way imply that i want this I already told you how to do that. You either have your email client send a mail-followup-to header

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: > The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with > a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of > forwarding it on to the real list address. It's been a while since the > list hosting was moved, perhaps now

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/08/2012 12:30 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 7 April 2012 17:21, Reindl Harald wrote: >> some stuff > Hi, > > You don't get my point; you seem to want to keep an argument going. I > don't understand why, but I know for certain you can't sustain an > argument on your own, so I'll just cut you off

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 17:21, Reindl Harald wrote: > some stuff Hi, You don't get my point; you seem to want to keep an argument going. I don't understand why, but I know for certain you can't sustain an argument on your own, so I'll just cut you off at this end. Have a pleasant weekend. -- Sam -- u

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 18:07, schrieb Sam Sharpe: > Ok, you're not getting this. Let me explain simply so that you > understand and we can end this tedious argument you seem to want to > spend a lot of effort on a weekend to perpetuate. > > There were three email addresses in the reply: > > 1) The sende

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 15:52, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 07.04.2012 16:48, schrieb Sam Sharpe: >> On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> really, as long you do not understand the headers in >>> a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies >>> of the same mails do not explain people "

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/07/2012 08:22 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I wonder when he'll realize it's counter-productive. Considering the anti-social nature of the quote, I rather doubt he cares. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedo

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/07/2012 11:22 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > This guy is the only person I've seen in 20 years of using mailing lists > who puts his signature on top. At least other people's pet obsessions > are easier to ignore; this one get in the way of every one of his posts. > I wonder when he'll real

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 10:51 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > oh, and after some verification i saw that > this is a childish "footer" on top This guy is the only person I've seen in 20 years of using mailing lists who puts his signature on top. At least other people's pet obsessions are easier to ign

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 16:48, schrieb Sam Sharpe: > On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald wrote: >> really, as long you do not understand the headers in >> a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies >> of the same mails do not explain people "the normal way" > > Scroll up a few messages. I've a

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 16:04, schrieb Mihamina Rakotomandimby: > On 04/07/2012 04:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> it is not the job of my mail-client repair mistakes of others >> >> They are only mistakes in your mind. The normal way to reply is to use >> reply all > > Completely wrong. > > - The norma

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald wrote: > really, as long you do not understand the headers in > a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies > of the same mails do not explain people "the normal way" Scroll up a few messages. I've already stated that the problem was in the headers of

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 04/07/2012 04:50 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: it is not the job of my mail-client repair mistakes of others They are only mistakes in your mind. The normal way to reply is to use reply all Completely wrong. - The normal way to "answer to all" is "reply all" - The normal way to answer on th

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 15:50, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: >> it is not the job of my mail-client repair mistakes of others > > They are only mistakes in your mind. The normal way to reply is to use reply > all. This covers people who want to have their address in the recipient > headers so they can treat th

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 15:38:29 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.04.2012 15:24, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:51:53 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: but at least i am talking to everybody who is not aware how to use a mailprogram - i can not verify if you are one of

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 15:24, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:51:53 +0200, > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> but at least i am talking to everybody who is not >> aware how to use a mailprogram - i can not verify >> if you are one of them because i do the work >> removing duplicates in

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 10:51:53 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: but at least i am talking to everybody who is not aware how to use a mailprogram - i can not verify if you are one of them because i do the work removing duplicates in my mail-archive If you don't want duplicate copies, you can s

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On 07/04/12 11:43, Sam Sharpe wrote: The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of forwarding it on to the real list address. It's been a while since the list hosting was moved, perhaps now it's worth severing

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 7 April 2012 10:25, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 07.04.2012 11:13, schrieb Fernando Cassia: >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> would you PLEASE send replies only back to the >>> list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list >>> the first To and the Cc are useless >>> in thu

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 11:13, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald wrote: >> would you PLEASE send replies only back to the >> list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list >> the first To and the Cc are useless >> in thunderbird you can even drag a "reoply to list" >> b

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald wrote: > would you PLEASE send replies only back to the > list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list > the first To and the Cc are useless > in thunderbird you can even drag a "reoply to list" > button to your icon-bar that can handle reply to > maili

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.04.2012 05:02, schrieb Charles Zeitler: > Do what thou wilt > shall be the whole of the Law. not if you are generating thousands of mails do what you will if it only affects you oh, and after some verification i saw that this is a childish "footer" on top > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:20 A

Re: how to use a mailing-list

2012-04-06 Thread Charles Zeitler
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > would you PLEASE send replies only back to the > list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list > > > are _you_ talkin' to _me_ ? charles zeitler Love is the law, love under will. -- users