Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-22 Thread Lailah
El lun, 21-01-2013 a las 10:01 +0100, Roberto Ragusa escribió: > On 01/18/2013 11:57 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > > > I assume that there is a human-factors study that indicates that > > non-technical users don't like to be reminded of how complicated things > > really are under the hood.

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-21 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 01/21/2013 01:26 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 21 January 2013 15:32, Tim wrote: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht: I assume that there is a human-factors study that indicates that non-technical users don't like to be reminded of how complicated things really are under the hood. At least that is why I thou

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2013 15:32, Tim wrote: > Wolfgang S. Rupprecht: >>> I assume that there is a human-factors study that indicates that >>> non-technical users don't like to be reminded of how complicated things >>> really are under the hood. At least that is why I thought such cover-up >>> screens ex

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-21 Thread Tim
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht: >> I assume that there is a human-factors study that indicates that >> non-technical users don't like to be reminded of how complicated things >> really are under the hood. At least that is why I thought such cover-up >> screens exist. I assumed that it's just stupidly copy

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-21 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 01/18/2013 11:57 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > I assume that there is a human-factors study that indicates that > non-technical users don't like to be reminded of how complicated things > really are under the hood. At least that is why I thought such cover-up > screens exist. Could we

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-20 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 > is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup > boot environment. Sounds to me like you've encountered https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sho

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-20 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 01/20/2013 08:51 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 21.01.2013 02:26, schrieb Joe Zeff: That's always possible, of course. Most of the time, the posters are complaining that they don't understand the boot messages and they don't want to see them; all they want is the animation back. That's not

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 21.01.2013 02:26, schrieb Joe Zeff: > That's always possible, of course. Most of the time, the posters are > complaining that they don't understand the > boot messages and they don't want to see them; all they want is the animation > back. That's not to fault them; most > computer users ne

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/20/2013 05:16 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Not all of those complaints are about a simple animation, sometimes it becomes a matter of not wanting to risk losing some important settings and configuration files too...!! That's always possible, of course. Most of the time, the posters a

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-20 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 01/18/2013 01:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/18/2013 05:03 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2013-01-18 at 02:57 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >I hate them too, but we probably aren't the intended audience. Which raises the question of what the hell is the thought process behind that? Are they cr

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/18/2013 05:03 AM, Tim wrote: On Fri, 2013-01-18 at 02:57 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >I hate them too, but we probably aren't the intended audience. Which raises the question of what the hell is the thought process behind that? Are they creating a distro to suit the people actual

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-18 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2013-01-18 at 02:57 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > I hate them too, but we probably aren't the intended audience. Which raises the question of what the hell is the thought process behind that? Are they creating a distro to suit the people actually using it, or for people who aren't

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-18 Thread Chris Bredesen
On 01/18/2013 04:06 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Joe Zeff writes: I must admit that your subject line gave me a major Stanley Kubrick moment. ;-) I had to get people to read the msg. Try turning up your speaker volume. Listen for a computer voice saying, "I'm sorry Wolfgang, I'm afra

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-18 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Reindl Harald writes: > and that is why in my opinion "rhgb quiet" is a dumb default > > you should never hit anything to see what is > going on with a proper free operating system I hate them too, but we probably aren't the intended audience. I assume that there is a human-factors study that i

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-18 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Phil Meyer writes: > Its a Plymouth bug, I think. Caused by hitting > ESC before Plymouth is ready for you to. :) It is confirmed. That is all it was for me too. I just hit too early. The second time around I just let it be and it upgraded all by itself. I suppose there is a wise saying in

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-18 Thread Jorge Martínez López
I had the same problem and what I did was to disable plymouth entirely when upgrading. I edited the linux line in the System upgrade menu, removing the plymouth theme option (I can't recall its exact name). Then it ran flawless. Greetings, -- Jorge Martínez López http://www.jorgeml.net -- users

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.01.2013 00:59, schrieb Wolfgang S. Rupprecht: >> Yes, happened to me. Its a Plymouth bug, I think. Caused by hitting >> ESC before Plymouth is ready for you to. :) > > Ah. That make sense. Thanks! That laptop is one of the two computers > here that still have "rhgb quiet" appended to

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Phil Meyer writes: > On 01/17/2013 02:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 >> is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup >> boot environment. >> >> Has anyone seen this before? Is there a fix or

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Phil Meyer
On 01/17/2013 02:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup boot environment. Has anyone seen this before? Is there a fix or do I have to do a wipe/reinstall f

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 01:06:28PM -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 > is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup > boot environment. I think that's what it does when it's working. -- Matthew

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/17/2013 02:36 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Not in the long run. There was some initially, but after a few seconds it stopped. I let the installer run for half an hour or so, but all it did was print stars and run the fan at high speed doing its best hairdryer imitation. Thank you.

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-01-17 at 13:27 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/17/2013 01:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 > > is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup > > boot environment. > > > > Has anyone s

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Joe Zeff writes: > I must admit that your subject line gave me a major Stanley Kubrick > moment. ;-) I had to get people to read the msg. > Are there any signs of disk activity or is this all that happens? Not in the long run. There was some initially, but after a few seconds it stopped. I

Re: fedup: it's full of stars

2013-01-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/17/2013 01:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: One of the laptops I'm trying to upgrade to f18/x86_64 from f17/x86_64 is printing row after row of asterisks after it rebooted into the fedup boot environment. Has anyone seen this before? Is there a fix or do I have to do a wipe/reinstall f