Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-05-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2018-05-17 at 10:32 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > > > With the move to mailman3, the list footer c

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-05-17 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: With the move to mailman3, the list footer cannot be set via the web-based admin interface. I dug into the mail

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-25 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:29:27 -0700 Dave Stevens wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:07:01 -0700 > Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > > > > > yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit > > > reply and get no cruft and just the point I

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-24 Thread Dave Stevens
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:07:01 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 > > Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > >>> If there's something you're replying to in particular, > >>> maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote th

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 03/21/2018 11:47 AM, chicago wrote: yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit reply and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. (if it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web c

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: If there's something you're replying to in particular, maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the entire thread so far in every email in the thread. yes, in my client I highli

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno gio 22 mar 2018 alle 0:47, Richard England <"pdx.limey"@gmail.com> ha scritto: On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. Same in Thunberbi

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On 21 March 2018 at 23:49, Richard Shaw wrote: > On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >>> Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this >>> when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. >> >> > It's a bit of a pain in gmail but I've gotte

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Richard Shaw
> > On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this >> when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. > > It's a bit of a pain in gmail but I've gotten used to it. After clicking reply I use Ctl-A which e

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Richard England
On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. Same in Thunberbird. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedorap

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:49:26 -0700 Dave Stevens wrote: > yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit reply > and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. (if > it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) Wow - using Claws Mail since

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Rick Stevens
On 03/21/2018 11:47 AM, chicago wrote: >> yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit >> reply >>> and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. >> (if >>> it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) >> >> Same in Evolution. In fact even

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread chicago
> yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit >reply >> and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. >(if >> it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) > >Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this >when prope

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > With the move to mailman3, the list footer cannot be set via > > > the web-based admin interface. I dug into the mailman3 > > > documentation and

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> With the move to mailman3, the list footer cannot be set via >> the web-based admin interface. I dug into the mailman3 >> documentation and filed an infrastructure ticket to see >> about adding guidelines link

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Top-posting is specifically discouraged by the Guidelines > > of this and other lists hosted by Fedora, not to mention > > many other mailing lists of a technical nature. Please > > read: > > > > https://fedo

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 19:49 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 > Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > > If there's something you're replying to in particular, > > > maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the > > > entire thread so far in every email in the thre

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-20 Thread Dave Stevens
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: > > If there's something you're replying to in particular, > > maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the > > entire thread so far in every email in the thread. yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here the

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 11/28/2011 02:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: >> Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers >> attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist. > Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/29/2011 12:35 AM, Matt Rose wrote: >> Sorry POC for inserting here. >> >> I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and >> resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often >> recurring themes. > I realize nothing can be done about the meta "Guidelines"

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread les
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les: > > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally > >> because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation > >> and wi

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers > attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist. Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the slightest idea what it means. -- users mail

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 11/28/2011 01:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D > Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still > works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law Well, I'm su

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To u

Re: Top posting in a meandering thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Just correcting the typo in the subject line -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: ht

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Matt Rose
> Sorry POC for inserting here. > > I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and > resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often > recurring themes. I realize nothing can be done about the meta "Guidelines" thrash, but you know, some would say that if s

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 November 2011 20:03:02 Ed Greshko wrote: > Sorry POC for inserting here. > > I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and > resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often > recurring themes. > > > > A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Ed Greshko
Sorry POC for inserting here. I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often recurring themes. A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop since the introduction of KDE 4. B. Licensing in Fedora. Or: Why c

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote: > Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same > post it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same > information > Roger That's why you edit. Whatever posting style you use, you need to edit. You can't keep every si

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.2011 12:47, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > 1) Business mail top-posts and quotes everything because that's the way > Outlook works and to a significant percentage of business users > "Outlook"and "Email" are synonyms. The single advantage to doing it this > way is that you can shovel over

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote: > Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same > post > it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information It gets even more boring when posters can't be bothered to trim the stuff they're quoting. If quotes w

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Roger
Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same post it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information Roger in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation and with the top-posting y

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les: > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally >> because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation >> and with the top-posting you need not to scroll and see the whole >> answ

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Maurizio Marini
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:12:14 -0800 les wrote: I love this mlist more and more! all started with Fedora - time to blink and now we are behind this "querelle" that is older than internet ;) you are amazing, guys :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscri

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread les
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > >> Let's see the rant's now. > > > > A. Because people read from top to bo

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Antonio Olivares
> |  But side posting is more fun = It > |  and by far a more interesting = certainly > |  challenge, isn't it? = is > |= more > |  {O,o}   Ack! = challenging > > -- = with

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/27/2011 06:28 PM, jdow wrote: > On 2011/11/27 15:42, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Well, considering that top posting | But side posting is more fun > > is strongly discourages in the | and by far a more interesting >> list guidelines,

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
On 2011/11/27 15:42, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: > On 11/27/2011 01:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: >>> >>> A. Because people read from top to bottom. >>> Q. Why should I not top post? >>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally r

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
On 11/27/2011 01:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: >> >> A. Because people read from top to bottom. >> Q. Why should I not top post? >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >>

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 November 2011 20:00:20 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > A. Because people read from top to bottom. > > Q. Why should I not top post? > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad th

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread David
On 11/27/2011 12:13 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 27/11/11 17:08, Joe Zeff wrote: > >>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> >> Possibly so someone can say >> "It's not bloated, you installed all that stuff" >> >> Please get your attributions right. There's n

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:00:20 -0600 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > >> Let's see the rant's now. > > > > A. Because people read from top

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > Frank Murphy wrote: > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) >> Let's see the rant's now. > > A. Because people read from top to bottom. > Q. Why should I not top post? > A: Because it messes up the order

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Maurizio Marini
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + Frank Murphy wrote: > That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > Let's see the rant's now. A. Because people read from top to bottom. Q. Why should I not top post? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such

Re: Top posting

2010-06-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 06/29/2010 07:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. >> That was its point. > > For goodness' sake, we have enough accidental ambiguousness on this > list without people adding it deliberately! Please stop. Don't worr

Re: fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)

2010-06-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Joel Rees wrote: > Mail User Agents are notoriously bad at the automatic quoting game > (partly because different mail browsers implement quoting It's what one does after the automatic quoting that counts. I wouldn't expect a MUA to trim boilerplate for me. I do that myself.

Re: Top posting

2010-06-30 Thread Andrew Haley
On 06/29/2010 07:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. > That was its point. For goodness' sake, we have enough accidental ambiguousness on this list without people adding it deliberately! Please stop. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org T

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 02:48:30 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > > "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. > That was its point. > > I stated that Carroll was smarter than you because > Carroll noticed that "Fool." was top-posted. > It was a clue. > As I have little evidence regarding the smartness o

Re: fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)

2010-06-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/30/2010 07:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > In an ideal world, people would know why and how the tools they use > should be used in certain ways when and where, and they would use > their tools accordingly, and we would never need to question what > their intent was. > That's why we have Vi

fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)

2010-06-29 Thread Joel Rees
Mail User Agents are notoriously bad at the automatic quoting game (partly because different mail browsers implement quoting differently, partly because the 800 pound gorilla who joined the internet game late has never understood it, partly because context always has more effect than we exp

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:31:13 am Michael Hennebry wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: >>> On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > Perhaps it's a typo? > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:31:13 am Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > > On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > >>> Perhaps it's a typo? > >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html > >>> > >>> (at the very t

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > >>> Perhaps it's a typo? >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html >>> >>> (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) >> >> 'Tain't a typo. >> Th

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > > Perhaps it's a typo? > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html > > > > (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) > > 'Tain't a typo. > That said, Carroll Grigsby seems smarter than Je

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Monday, June 28, 2010 11:46:54 am Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > Who are you accusing me of calling a fool? > > Perhaps it's a typo? > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html > > (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) > Could be, if so, my apolog

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:12 -0500 (CDT) > Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: >> >>> On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: Fool. >>> >>> Regardless of the relative merits of top or bo

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:12 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > > > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> Fool. > >> > > > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the > > 'fool' comment is uncalled for

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Fool. >> > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment > is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such > comments; unless perh

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday, June 27, 2010 07:25:31 Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Calling all net nazis... > > Sheesh! Are you calling me a nazi? Why? I offered a technical solution that can basically remove most of the top/bottom posting problems in an automatic way, fitting the preferences of each user individuall

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 10:53 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > While viewing any message in the thread, press the letter "k" on the > keyboard. It's a shortcut for Message->Ignore Thread. Does that have the benefit of also killing off thread hijacking? ;-) (Where someone replies to a message, inste

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 10:53 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > On 06/27/2010 07:19 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:05 +0530, steve wrote: > >> On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > If there are posts you

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 07:25 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Calling all net nazis... [Please don't top-post on this list. Didn't you get the memo? :-] If you read the OP's message you'll see his "solution" is entirely local to each user. It has no effect on the list itself or on the list archives

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Robert Nichols
On 06/27/2010 07:19 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:05 +0530, steve wrote: >> On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >>> >>> I keep hearing about this, how

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread stan
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:57:31 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I like the unconscious irony of "if the context is clear". The *only* > justification for top-posting is to be able to include the entire > history of the thread in such a way as not to force the reader to deal > with it. IOW it was

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Dale J. Chatham
Calling all net nazis... Sheesh! On 06/27/2010 02:08 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 00:50:10 JD wrote: > >> I see so many top-posting replies to threads, mixed with correct bottom >> appended replies makes it very difficult to read a thread. Are there any >> watchdogs o

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 19:35 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 00:35 -0700, Julius Smith wrote: > > > * Top posting is more efficient for all if the context is clear > > Oh rubbish, it's just the easiest solution for the laziest. Nothing to > do with "efficiency." I like the unconscious

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:05 +0530, steve wrote: > On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > >> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. > > > > I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick > > google sea

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 00:35 -0700, Julius Smith wrote: > * Top posting is more efficient for all if the context is clear Oh rubbish, it's just the easiest solution for the laziest. Nothing to do with "efficiency." > * Top posting makes it easier to respond to only one point of many Doesn't mak

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread steve
On 06/27/2010 02:05 PM, steve wrote: > On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >>> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >> >> I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick >> google search yielded

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread steve
On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. > > I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick > google search yielded some old threads leading up to no solutions or >

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Julius Smith
Some points: * Top posting is more efficient for all if the context is clear * Top posting makes it easier to respond to only one point of many * For the blind listening to text-to-speech reading of the page, top-posting is the only way to go * I vote for top-posting, including quoted snippets

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday, June 25, 2010 00:50:10 JD wrote: > I see so many top-posting replies to threads, mixed with correct bottom > appended replies makes it very difficult to read a thread. Are there any > watchdogs on this list that tell top posters to stop it? Umm, how about maybe take a look at: http://l

Re: Top posting

2010-06-26 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Fool. >> > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment > is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such > comments; unless perh

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 11:32 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:06 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > bottom-posting has been the standard on Usenet for basically forever, > > To be pedantic, no it hasn't. ;-) > > Usenet quoting style has traditionally been "interspersed" (replying

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 15:06 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > bottom-posting has been the standard on Usenet for basically forever, To be pedantic, no it hasn't. ;-) Usenet quoting style has traditionally been "interspersed" (replying in-line, throughout the message), which is not the same a

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > Fool. > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such comments; unless perhaps the anonymity of the internet has also made us

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:06:49 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Almost > every message you see on these systems quote the entire thread in every > message. Lose lose lose. That seems to have developed from rancidly bad email customer support systems which couldn't be bothered to keep track of old

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:20 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > The best that can be said about top-posting is that > it is better than bottom-posting without trimming. > Internal- and bottom-posting allow responses > to be near their inspirations. Agreed, but in reality either method would be accep

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Michael Hennebry
Fool. On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 25/06/10 16:53, Jesus Arocho wrote: > --snip-- > People do, continue to and will always top post >> >> Thanks for the comment. Although I do try to work within the standards of a >> group, I do prefer top posting, but do not mind reading emails

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 06/25/2010 08:50 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 03:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 06/25/2010 09:18 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >>> >>> I keep hearing about this, how does o

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/06/10 16:53, Jesus Arocho wrote: --snip-- People do, continue to and will always top post > > Thanks for the comment. Although I do try to work within the standards of a > group, I do prefer top posting, but do not mind reading emails otherwise > composed. The argument does seem similar

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Friday, June 25, 2010 09:13:50 am Michal wrote: > This noise is proving to be more annoying then what your talking about. > If someone does it, give them a polite nudge. If it annoyes you that > much, ignore it. But please, stop filling this place with pointless > noise. People do, continue to a

Re: [Massively OT] Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 08:01 -0600, Patrick Kobly wrote: > On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:13 +0100, Michal wrote: > > This noise is proving to be more annoying then what your talking about. > > If someone does it, give them a polite nudge. If it annoyes you that > > much, ignore it. But please, stop fil

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Marvin Kosmal
On 6/25/10, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >> Marvin Kosmal : >>There should be > > Must be... > -- > I am going to have to admit.. I am not real good at snipping old parts of the message. Left up to me ...It would all be there .. Not practical!!! This a GREAT LIST Thanks Marvi

[Massively OT] Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Patrick Kobly
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 14:13 +0100, Michal wrote: > This noise is proving to be more annoying then what your talking about. > If someone does it, give them a polite nudge. If it annoyes you that > much, ignore it. But please, stop filling this place with pointless > noise. People do, continue to

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Andrew Haley
On 06/25/2010 01:50 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 03:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 06/25/2010 09:18 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >>> >>> I keep hearing about this, how does o

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 08:06 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 05:50:47 -0700, > Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > > Like I said in my post, that requires me to create a filter for every > > such case. > > You could probably detect them using pattern matching. If you keep your > em

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/06/10 14:13, Michal wrote: > This noise is proving to be more annoying then what your talking about. > If someone does it, give them a polite nudge. If it annoyes you that > much, ignore it. But please, stop filling this place with pointless > noise. People do, continue to and will always

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Michal
This noise is proving to be more annoying then what your talking about. If someone does it, give them a polite nudge. If it annoyes you that much, ignore it. But please, stop filling this place with pointless noise. People do, continue to and will always top post -- users mailing list users@lis

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 22:50 -0700, JD wrote: > I see so many top-posting replies to threads, mixed with correct bottom > appended replies makes it very difficult to read a thread. Are there any > watchdogs on this list that tell top posters to stop it? There are no official watchdogs (or if they

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/06/10 13:50, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 03:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 06/25/2010 09:18 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >>> >>> I keep hearing about this, how does one do

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 05:50:47 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > Like I said in my post, that requires me to create a filter for every > such case. You could probably detect them using pattern matching. If you keep your email locally, you could check the messages on delivery and drop ones that a

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Friday 25 June 2010 03:16 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 06/25/2010 09:18 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >>> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >> >> I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? > > Tools>Message Filt

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Andrew Haley
On 06/25/2010 09:18 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. > > I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? Tools>Message Filters>New Move message to > trash -- users mailing list user

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > If there are posts you don't like think killfile. I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick google search yielded some old threads leading up to no solutions or suggesting filters for every poster/thread I want

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/25/2010 03:50 PM, Tim wrote: > Sometimes I just hit delete on crap > messages, even if I have the answer to their problem. And I'm not the > only one who'll do that. > That's for sure -- Ever get the feeling that the world's on tape and one of the reels is missing? -- Rich Little 葛斯

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/06/10 08:47, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >> Marvin Kosmal : >> There should be > > Must be... There is, but when it is mentioned on list. It's bar-b-q time *sizzle sizzle* If there are posts you don't like think killfile. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 22:50 -0700, JD wrote: > Are there any watchdogs on this list that tell top posters to stop it? There are a few, who say so from time to time, myself included. And then someone complains about it... I agree that it makes it a pain to read. Plus all the full-quoting, where

Re: Top posting

2010-06-25 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
> Marvin Kosmal : >There should be Must be... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: Top posting

2010-06-24 Thread Marvin Kosmal
On 6/24/10, JD wrote: > I see so many top-posting replies to threads, mixed with correct bottom > appended replies makes it very difficult to read a thread. Are there any > watchdogs on this list that tell top posters to stop it? > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsub

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