Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-04 Thread aragonx
> On 8/3/11, Arthur Dent wrote: >> Wow! really useful advice! Thank You. >> As Hiisi says - Tip of the Day and I also agree that syslog+console >> should be the default. > > Unfortunately, systemd's parallelization of service startup make > output on the console extremely ugly during boot, beca

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-03 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On 8/3/11, Arthur Dent wrote: > On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 10:32 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > >> >> I get the same error, but it appears to be harmless; console output >> WORKSFORME. Perhaps you're expecting output in xterm? Console == >> /dev/console (which usually == tty1), not the tty you ha

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-03 Thread Arthur Dent
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 10:32 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > I get the same error, but it appears to be harmless; console output > WORKSFORME. Perhaps you're expecting output in xterm? Console == > /dev/console (which usually == tty1), not the tty you happen to be > running systemctl on.

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-03 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On 8/3/11, Arthur Dent wrote: > Wow! really useful advice! Thank You. > As Hiisi says - Tip of the Day and I also agree that syslog+console > should be the default. Unfortunately, systemd's parallelization of service startup make output on the console extremely ugly during boot, because several d

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-03 Thread Arthur Dent
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 02:46 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On 7/22/11, Arthur Dent wrote: > > I was really hoping that someone would reply saying something like "You > > idiot! - Don't you know, all you need to do is to use the > > --tellmewhatswrong switch with systemctl and all will be revea

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-03 Thread Hiisi
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 02:46 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > Edit /etc/systemd/system.conf and set "DefaultStandardOutput" to one > of "syslog", "kmsg", "kmsg+console", or "syslog+console". That will > redirect stdout from it's default destination of /dev/null to the > place you set. You may se

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-08-03 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On 7/22/11, Arthur Dent wrote: > I was really hoping that someone would reply saying something like "You > idiot! - Don't you know, all you need to do is to use the > --tellmewhatswrong switch with systemctl and all will be revealed!" But > alas, no-one has said anything... Not quite as easy as t

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Eggers
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 22:26:24 +0100, Arthur Dent wrote: > I was really hoping that someone would reply saying something like "You > idiot! - Don't you know, all you need to do is to use the > --tellmewhatswrong switch with systemctl and all will be revealed!" But > alas, no-one has said anything...

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-07-22 Thread Arthur Dent
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 15:46 +, Mark Eggers wrote: > > This really doesn't address the lack of information that's available when > a service fails to start using systemd. I agree that more information > would be great. > > However, for Apache HTTPD, you have another tool to see what's wrong

Re: Living with Systemd

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Eggers
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:00:02 +0100, Arthur Dent wrote: > Hello All, > > I am gradually getting used to systemd. I can now just about force my > fingers to type "systemctl restart httpd.service" even though my brain > is itching to write "service httpd restart" and I find this cheatsheet > to be v