Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 16:54 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > time for my two cents: I do everything in vi simply because my > fingers know it. in my essays I indicate italics by *this*: ascii > delimited by asterisks. translating this to word-processor > format--Openoffice-- was accomplished by an exp

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 09:40:02AM +1100, Roger wrote: > > >There's no whining and trolling, and nobody hates Libroffice. > >It's a discussion about facts which affect real life. When you have to > >present at University/College, you urgently want your presentation to > >have the same (=100% ident

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10/02/2013 22:40, Roger wrote: There's no whining and trolling, and nobody hates Libroffice. It's a discussion about facts which affect real life. When you have to present at University/College, you urgently want your presentation to have the same (=100% identical) look it had when you devel

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 09:40:02AM +1100, Roger wrote: > > > > There's no whining and trolling, and nobody hates Libroffice. > It's a discussion about facts which affect real life. When you have to > present at University/College, you urgently want your presentation to > h

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 10.02.2013 23:40, schrieb Roger: > >> There's no whining and trolling, and nobody hates Libroffice. >> It's a discussion about facts which affect real life. When you have to >> present at University/College, you urgently want your presentation to >> have the same (=100% identical) look it had

Re: LibreOffice version 4

There's no whining and trolling, and nobody hates Libroffice. It's a discussion about facts which affect real life. When you have to present at University/College, you urgently want your presentation to have the same (=100% identical) look it had when you developed it. Although Libreoffice and M

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/10/2013 06:08 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 10.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: Guys, this thread is just turning into trolling. If you don't like Libre/Open Office and you just have to use MS Office, go use Windows and quite trolling on a Linux mailing list. Or at the very least take the whining

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 10.02.2013 15:41, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 10.02.2013, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > >> Tell them what Linus told to nvidia, it usually works. > > Right, giving them a "f*ck you" will solve the problem immediately, > with no further need of a specific office version (and no need of > furth

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > Tell them what Linus told to nvidia, it usually works. Right, giving them a "f*ck you" will solve the problem immediately, with no further need of a specific office version (and no need of further studying either) :-) -- users mailing list users@lis

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013 12:10, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 10.02.2013, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >> The best program for handling academic documents is LaTex. Any Mictosoft >> like product can't hold a candle to LaTex for this job. Of course, you >> would have to learn a new document producing system. The learning

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/10/2013 06:08 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 10.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: Guys, this thread is just turning into trolling. If you don't like Libre/Open Office and you just have to use MS Office, go use Windows and quite trolling on a Linux mailing list. Or at the very least take the whining

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10/02/2013 12:16, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 10.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: said this: whar was exactly your point at all? if you want stable layouts DO NOT USE OFFICE PACKAGES for layouts and this is a known fact since at least 10 years Using an office package and delivering files in its for

Re: LibreOffice version 4

> On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:08:02 +0100 > Heinz Diehl wrote: > > When you have to > present at University/College, you urgently want your presentation to > have the same (=100% identical) look it had when you developed > it. Although Libreoffice and Microsoft Office are format-compatible, > layouts a

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > said this: whar was exactly your point at all? > if you want stable layouts DO NOT USE OFFICE PACKAGES for > layouts and this is a known fact since at least 10 years Using an office package and delivering files in its format is mandatory, as I already explai

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Your point is self-contradictory. The level of consistency you describe isn't preserved even between versions of the same software. If that level of consistency is what you need, don't upgrade to a new version of the distribution or new version of the software. 100% compatibility doesn't exist -

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 10.02.2013 12:08, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > Although Libreoffice and Microsoft Office are format-compatible, > layouts and formattings often don't look the same. > > And this *is* a problem. A real one so what you even havce tis problem with MS office versus MS office and with a little luck ev

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > your argumentation is not valid > > you do not know what the 1% difference is > you do not know if it affects you in any way > but you are start whining? [] Ok. End of disussion for me. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscrib

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013, Aaron Konstam wrote: > The best program for handling academic documents is LaTex. Any Mictosoft > like product can't hold a candle to LaTex for this job. Of course, you > would have to learn a new document producing system. The learning curve > is not easy but once it is learned yo

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 10.02.2013 12:03, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 10.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> you simply have no opinion because you are lacking the experience most >> grown up people have to realize that this time libreoffice and openoffice >> are the same application > > I suspect you missed my point

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: > Guys, this thread is just turning into trolling. If you don't like > Libre/Open Office and you just have to use MS Office, go use Windows and > quite trolling on a Linux mailing list. Or at the very least take the > whining about the nuances of similarity to a

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 10.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > you simply have no opinion because you are lacking the experience most > grown up people have to realize that this time libreoffice and openoffice > are the same application I suspect you missed my point. I'm aware of that Libreoffice is a fork from Openoffi

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Allegedly, on or about 09 February 2013, Joe Zeff sent: > Much of what made Windows and MS Office so popular was their > consistent "Look and Feel." Learn one, you were close to learning > all. While the reason is true (people like consistency), the actuality is that office was forever changing h

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Heh. Life is too short. I had to use TeX/LaTex when I was a grad student. When I left, I never looked back. billo On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 21:18 +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 09.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: You would chose another distribution over

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Impress does OK exporting to ppt format. It's not so great exporting to pptx. I'm preparing for a presentation tonight and am running into that. Impress also has some issues displaying animations, particularly if you want to save them as a ppt and display the presentation at a national conf

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Hi! 2013/2/9 Aaron Konstam : > The best program for handling academic documents is LaTex. Any Mictosoft > like product can't hold a candle to LaTex for this job. Of course, you > would have to learn a new document producing system. The learning curve > is not easy but once it is learned you will n

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 09/02/2013 23:32, Steven Stern wrote: On 02/09/2013 03:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/09/2013 01:32 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: You have to fight with incompatibilities because you're using Impress while all the machines at the congresses are solely running Powerpoint (which causes incompatibilitie

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 03:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/09/2013 01:32 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> You have to >> fight with incompatibilities because you're using Impress while all >> the machines at the congresses are solely running Powerpoint (which >> causes >> incompatibilities when used to display .odp

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 04:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/09/2013 01:32 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: You have to fight with incompatibilities because you're using Impress while all the machines at the congresses are solely running Powerpoint (which causes incompatibilities when used to display .odp files). That

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Hi On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Reindl Harald < wrote: > > > Am 09.02.2013 22:47, schrieb Olav Vitters: > > On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:40:19PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> you simply have no opinion because you are lacking the experience most > >> grown up people have to realize that this

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 21:18 +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 09.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: > > > You would chose another distribution over having a choice between two nearly > > identical packages? Wow. > > I would choose to stay with the package (=Libreoffice) that I'm used > to. If this wouldn

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 09.02.2013 22:47, schrieb Olav Vitters: > On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:40:19PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> you simply have no opinion because you are lacking the experience most >> grown up people have to realize that this time libreoffice and openoffice >> are the same application > > Attac

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 01:32 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: You have to fight with incompatibilities because you're using Impress while all the machines at the congresses are solely running Powerpoint (which causes incompatibilities when used to display .odp files). That's hard enough. I know that Impress can s

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:40:19PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > you simply have no opinion because you are lacking the experience most > grown up people have to realize that this time libreoffice and openoffice > are the same application Attack the argument, not the person? > you could have a op

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 09.02.2013 22:32, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 09.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> most of the people using fedora since years did not >> notice any difference except the loading-screen by >> the switch to libreoffice > > Well, I didn't see this will end up in flames. Otherwise I wouldn't >

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 12:28 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: so what, all mine was based on openoffice.org So were mine. And when the switch came to LibreOffice, I kept right on doing things the same as I'd always done with the same results. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 12:18 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: "Nearly identical" could mean a lot of extra work to particularly learn a new system. Time which you can't use for something useful. Much of what made Windows and MS Office so popular was their consistent "Look and Feel." Learn one, you were close t

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 09.02.2013, Reindl Harald wrote: > most of the people using fedora since years did not > notice any difference except the loading-screen by > the switch to libreoffice Well, I didn't see this will end up in flames. Otherwise I wouldn't have participated in this thread. Nevermind. Don't using

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 09/02/2013 20:18, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 09.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: You would chose another distribution over having a choice between two nearly identical packages? Wow. "Nearly identical" could mean a lot of extra work to particularly learn a new system. Time which you can't use for s

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 09.02.2013 21:18, schrieb Heinz Diehl: > On 09.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: > >> You would chose another distribution over having a choice between two nearly >> identical packages? Wow. > > I would choose to stay with the package (=Libreoffice) that I'm used > to. If this wouldn't be possibl

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 09.02.2013, Gordan Bobic wrote: > You would chose another distribution over having a choice between two nearly > identical packages? Wow. I would choose to stay with the package (=Libreoffice) that I'm used to. If this wouldn't be possible, I would switch. All my templates, all my documents a

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 10:24 AM, nomnex wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:39:09 -0600 Richard Shaw wrote: About 8 hours later on my triple core 3.4GHz machine I had a nice set of rpms. I didn't see anything that jumped out at me that was vastly different from 3.X but I have had any time to do anything produ

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/09/2013 12:36 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: On 09/02/2013 09:03, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 09.02.2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: As long as I will still be able to USE LibreOffice, then I guess I wouldn't mind the devs inserting another office suite for variety, and choice! And are you a stu

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 09/02/2013 09:03, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 09.02.2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: As long as I will still be able to USE LibreOffice, then I guess I wouldn't mind the devs inserting another office suite for variety, and choice! And are you a student who's used Libreoffice/Openoffice a long

Re: LibreOffice version 4

> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:39:09 -0600 > Richard Shaw wrote: > > > About 8 hours later on my triple core 3.4GHz machine I had a nice set > of rpms. I didn't see anything that jumped out at me that was vastly > different from 3.X but I have had any time to do anything productive > as of yet. Looks ni

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 07.02.2013 20:56, schrieb Claude Jones: >> On 2/7/2013 2:46 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: >>> I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) >>> >> if you turned on the rawhide repo, it appears you could get it > > this is a VERY VERY b

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 09.02.2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > As long as I will still be able to USE LibreOffice, then I guess I wouldn't > mind the devs inserting another office suite for variety, and choice! And are you a student who's used Libreoffice/Openoffice a long time, you would not want to tuck with (

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/08/2013 10:43 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM, doug > wrote: You'll most likely have to download it and install it yourself from an rpm or dev archive, since most of the devs of the Linux distros hate it Oh rea

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:43:05PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM, doug wrote: > > > You'll > > most likely have to download it and install it yourself from > > an rpm or dev archive, since most of the devs of the Linux > > distros hate it > > > > Oh really? an e

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/08/2013 11:44 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > no it isn´t Smartsuite (which was quite good, btw). why do you speak out of > ... ignorance? Sounds more like a difference of opinion than anything else. -- Don't be bullied by the judgmental grammar and spelling police. -- users mailing li

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Tim wrote: > Ugh, is that the reincarnation of the Lotus suite? I can remember that > monstrosity from the Windows 98 era. > no it isn´t Smartsuite (which was quite good, btw). why do you speak out of ... ignorance? FC -- During times of Universal Deceit

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM, doug wrote: > You'll > most likely have to download it and install it yourself from > an rpm or dev archive, since most of the devs of the Linux > distros hate it > Oh really? an effort is underway to have Apache OpenOffice back into Fedora 19. So I say you are s

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Allegedly, on or about 08 February 2013, doug sent: > Perhaps you should wait for the next rev of Apache OpenOffice. > I understand it will contain some or all of the user-friendly > interface of Symphony, another of the clone-cousins. Ugh, is that the reincarnation of the Lotus suite? I can reme

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/08/2013 12:11 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 07 February 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: I mean even if it isn't in the repos.couldn't one just go to the actual LibreOffice web-site and download it for themselves? Or SHOULD I wait for it to be added to a repo? I've always won

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 07.02.2013 23:08, schrieb Claude Jones: > On 02/07/2013 02:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 07.02.2013 20:56, schrieb Claude Jones: >>> On 2/7/2013 2:46 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) >>> if you turned on the rawhide repo, it a

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Allegedly, on or about 07 February 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: > I mean even if it isn't in the repos.couldn't one just go to the > actual LibreOffice web-site and download it for themselves? Or SHOULD > I wait for it to be added to a repo? I've always wondered about > this You can

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/07/2013 05:16 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:46:59 -0200 Fernando Lozano wrote: I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) But serious, is there a politic / decision by the Fedora Borard about when'll we get LibreOffice 4? You can download it from: https://w

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/08/2013 06:08 AM, Claude Jones wrote: > I posted information, not a recommendation Yep, sounded informational to me. -- Don't be bullied by the judgmental grammar and spelling police. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: ht

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/07/2013 02:08 PM, Claude Jones wrote: I posted information, not a recommendation - I've installed single programs from rawhide over the years, and I'm well aware of the dependency issues that can arise. The way you phrased your suggestion, it looked like a recommendation. And, a newcomer

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 17:46:59 -0200 Fernando Lozano wrote: > > I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) > > But serious, is there a politic / decision by the Fedora Borard > about when'll we get LibreOffice 4? > You can download it from: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/ If yo

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 02/07/2013 02:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.02.2013 20:56, schrieb Claude Jones: On 2/7/2013 2:46 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) if you turned on the rawhide repo, it appears you could get it this is a VERY VERY bad idea for recomme

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:46:59 -0200 Fernando Lozano wrote: > Hi there, > > > LibreOffice v4 has been released > > > > http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/02/07/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-4-0/ > > > > Is this a big deal? It would be nice to have a more graceful UI. > > i thin

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Hi On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: > > But serious, is there a politic / decision by the Fedora Borard about > when'll we get LibreOffice 4? > The Fedora Board is not involved in technical decisions like these. The update policy is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upda

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 07.02.2013 20:56, schrieb Claude Jones: > On 2/7/2013 2:46 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: >> I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) >> > if you turned on the rawhide repo, it appears you could get it this is a VERY VERY bad idea for recommend it to users which are not REALLY god at

Re: LibreOffice version 4

On 2/7/2013 2:46 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: I was hopping to get it on the next "yum update". ;-) if you turned on the rawhide repo, it appears you could get it -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 07.02.2013 20:46, schrieb Fernando Lozano: > Hi there, > >> LibreOffice v4 has been released >> >> http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/02/07/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-4-0/ >> >> Is this a big deal? It would be nice to have a more graceful UI. >> i think with "is it a b

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Hi there, > LibreOffice v4 has been released > > http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/02/07/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-4-0/ > > Is this a big deal? It would be nice to have a more graceful UI. > i think with "is it a big deal" was meant "would we get this in > F18/F19 or have

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Am 07.02.2013 20:04, schrieb Jorge Martínez López: > 2013/2/7 Steven Stern : >> LibreOffice v4 has been released >> >> http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/02/07/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-4-0/ >> >> Is this a big deal? It would be nice to have a more graceful UI. > > I thi

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Steven Stern wrote: LibreOffice v4 has been released http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/02/07/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-4-0/ Is this a big deal? It would be nice to have a more graceful UI. Hopefully this would show up in updates-testing, or even be carried as a separ

Re: LibreOffice version 4

Hi! 2013/2/7 Steven Stern : > LibreOffice v4 has been released > > http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2013/02/07/the-document-foundation-announces-libreoffice-4-0/ > > Is this a big deal? It would be nice to have a more graceful UI. I think it is. The LibreOffice is moving forward and making impr