Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Robert Nichols
On 10/29/2012 01:32 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: and just what the firmware should do with a full read failure of a previously unsuspected bad sector, I'm sure, has been the subject of design meetings at the various disk manufacturers. They show up in the "Current pending sector" count in the SMART re

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59:44PM CDT--Robert Nichols (rnicholsnos...@comcast.net) said: > A sector that is unreadable even after retries CANNOT be remapped until it > is written, and any attempts to read it MUST return an I/O error until > that remapping has occurred.

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Robert Nichols
On 10/29/2012 11:30 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: However, the firmware will do remapping of sectors _it_ determines are failing, and the probability is that if you are seeing errors consistently, it's because it can't remap. A sector that is unreadable even after retries CANNOT be remapped until it

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 08:57:12AM CDT--Alan Cox (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: > Completely wrong. With all due respect, no it isn't. It was simplistic, because I didn't want to go into an entire tutorial on the mailing list. Go read about P-lists, G-lists, and abou

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Alan Cox writes: > What really matters is whether the drive itself thinks on its smart test > whether it is likely to be failing not some joke heuristic. And even then, if the 5-year old Google numbers are still valid, you have a 1/3 chance of being surprised. "The Google team found that 36

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Alan Cox
> So... Am I OK or an Deep S**t? Reallocated Sector Count is 0. Good? You are fine. Ask the drive to be absolutely sure. But not by looking at SMART numbers and pretending to understand them but by asking the drive its health report smartctl --health /dev/whatever -- users mailing list users@

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Alan Cox
> Beg to differ. Remember, drives have reserved storage to remap bad sectors > *before* you ever see a bad sector at the interface. So, by the time you > think you're seeing only 8 bad sectors, you've actually burned through > the reserved sectors--many more have failed than you realize. Complet

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Steven Stern
On 10/29/2012 07:53 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 06:19:59AM CDT--Alan Cox > (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: >> Rubbish. > > Beg to differ. Remember, drives have reserved storage to remap bad sectors > *before* you ever see a bad sector at the interfa

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 06:19:59AM CDT--Alan Cox (a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk) said: > Rubbish. Beg to differ. Remember, drives have reserved storage to remap bad sectors *before* you ever see a bad sector at the interface. So, by the time you think you're seeing only 8 b

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-29 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:33:55 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 27.10.2012 01:29, schrieb Steven Stern: > > Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors > > Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk) > > sounds bad > > > Here's the question: If I just

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-28 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 10/26/2012 07:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 27.10.2012 01:29, schrieb Steven Stern: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk) sounds bad Here's the question: If I just reformat and restore /home from a

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-28 Thread JD
On 10/26/2012 05:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 27.10.2012 01:29, schrieb Steven Stern: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk) sounds bad Here's the question: If I just reformat and restore /home from

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.10.2012 01:41, schrieb Steven Stern: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 27.10.2012 01:29, schrieb Steven Stern: >>> Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors >>> Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk) >> >> sou

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.10.2012 01:29, schrieb Steven Stern: > Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors > Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk) sounds bad > Here's the question: If I just reformat and restore /home from a > recent backup, will the disk automatica

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-26 Thread Steven Stern
On 10/26/2012 07:51 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: > On 10/26/2012 06:29 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> I quite stupidly unplugged my computer today when my foot got tangled in >> the power strip. On reboot, I was notified >> >> Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors >> >> Smartctl tells m

Re: Fixing a crashed disk

2012-10-26 Thread Robert Nichols
On 10/26/2012 06:29 PM, Steven Stern wrote: I quite stupidly unplugged my computer today when my foot got tangled in the power strip. On reboot, I was notified Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 8 Offline uncorrectable sectors Smartctl tells me the problem is at LBA 2014551336 (this is a 2TB disk). Fol