Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-19 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 4/17/19 12:35 PM, Beartooth wrote: That's one of the tweaks I always do right away, yes. But aren't there individual things in /usr, /bin, /usr/bin, and other such places? Anything user related is in /home/ (or /root). System-wide configuration is in /etc. That should be it. If

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-19 Thread David Dusanic
Beartooth: That's one of the tweaks I always do right away, yes. But aren't there individual things in /usr, /bin, /usr/bin, and other such places? All user files are in the user's home directory. Now you could of course also look into /etc/, /var/ and maybe some more but for me the

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-18 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 21:21:40 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 4/16/19 9:08 AM, Beartooth wrote: >> Last week, for instance, I managed to so foo a brand new laptop >> that anything I did on the login screen killed it. (I'd've tried a >> repair if I'd been able to remember how to boot straight in

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2019-04-17 at 21:36 +, Beartooth wrote: > Won't Anaconda do the UID automatically? I don't know UID from > Union Pacific, but I do almost always stick to the same username. Yes, and no... (Anaconda picking the same UID.) It's the *numerical* user identification. Likewise, GID is the

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:07:24 +1000 Cameron Simpson wrote: > Is there an advantage to doing this with a mount? I used a symlink for a while till various programs started refusing to work with /home a symlink because the security geeks had decided something dodgy must be going on. If the same prog

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 17Apr2019 18:43, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:07:37 +1200 Seth Kenlon wrote: > > * reboot * rsync my backed-up home dir to my new home dir location. My technique is to have home on a separate disk and just change /home in the install partition to a bind mount of home from the

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2019-04-17 at 21:36 +, Beartooth wrote: > I didn't know yum still worked in Fedora. Is && a command?? Or > what? yum is now just a symbolic link to dnf. The old version of yum is still avaliable as yum-deprecated. '&&' is standard Shell syntax. 'foo && bar' means 'run bar if

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:07:37 +1200 Seth Kenlon wrote: > > > * reboot * rsync my backed-up home dir to my new home dir location. My technique is to have home on a separate disk and just change /home in the install partition to a bind mount of home from the other disk (rename the installed /home an

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Seth Kenlon
> > * install a fresh image * use the same user and UID as previous install > > Won't Anaconda do the UID automatically? I don't know UID from > Union Pacific, but I do almost always stick to the same username. > Yes, sorry - I was being explicit because it's possible that a user chooses

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 05:40:55 +1200, Seth Kenlon wrote: > Interesting that you say this. My experience is the opposite. Here's > what I do: > > * install a fresh image * use the same user and UID as previous install Won't Anaconda do the UID automatically? I don't know UID from Union Pac

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-17 Thread Beartooth
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 21:38:51 +0200, David Dusanic wrote: > Richard England: >> On 4/16/19 8:53 AM, Beartooth wrote: >>> Profile?! What profile?? Where is it?? And HOW do you transfer >>> it >>> to the new device?? It sounds like the "better way" I'm looking for! >> >> The profile for Thun

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 4/16/19 9:08 AM, Beartooth wrote: Last week, for instance, I managed to so foo a brand new laptop that anything I did on the login screen killed it. (I'd've tried a repair if I'd been able to remember how to boot straight into single user, or find out again how. I spent a few days tryi

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread David Dusanic
Richard England: On 4/16/19 8:53 AM, Beartooth wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:07:01 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: I guess we all have our own methods..as I don't have that many apps that I customize (aside from Thunderbird!can't live without that one!) and with all the calendars,

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread David Dusanic
Patrick O'Callaghan: This may not be the answer you're looking for, but (if this is all on the same machine of course) why are you reinstalling instead of updating? I for one can't remember the last time I did a fresh install. I've been updating version after version for at least the past 4 year

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Tim via users
(Re: *my* installing rather than upgrading) On Tue, 2019-04-16 at 11:46 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It can take a while certainly, but any compatibility problems I've > had tend to be because of packages changing between versions, and > that's the same whether you upgrade or reinstall (I

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Beartooth
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:22:29 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > This may not be the answer you're looking for, but (if this is all on > the same machine of course) why are you reinstalling instead of > updating? I tried to forestall that question by saying "But sometimes for instance I

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Richard England
On 4/16/19 8:53 AM, Beartooth wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:07:01 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: I guess we all have our own methods..as I don't have that many apps that I customize (aside from Thunderbird!can't live without that one!) and with all the calendars, contacts etc?...I

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Beartooth
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:07:01 -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > I guess we all have our own methods..as I don't have that many apps > that I customize (aside from Thunderbird!can't live without that > one!) and with all the calendars, contacts etc?...I just grab the > profile that was c

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread sixpack13
> > ...I haven't had any upgrade issues for a long time. +++1 yep, the "proven packager" did it very well since several Releases ! ;-) "Beta-Release-Day is *MY* Release-Day" ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 18:20 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 22:33:08 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > so are you flipping between two > > partitions on each new install > > Correct. I have a 64G SSD drive with two partitions for > two versions of fedora, and I flip between

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2019-04-16 at 12:48 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 20:22 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > why are you reinstalling instead of updating? > > I haven't done that for ages, but I always found it dead slow (it > spends ages computing what to do, and ages updating indi

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 4/15/19 8:18 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 20:22 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: why are you reinstalling instead of updating? I haven't done that for ages, but I always found it dead slow (it spends ages computing what to do, and ages updating individual packages), and I

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 20:22 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > why are you reinstalling instead of updating? I haven't done that for ages, but I always found it dead slow (it spends ages computing what to do, and ages updating individual packages), and I'd get compatibility problems (changes betw

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 22:33:08 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > so are you flipping between two > partitions on each new install Correct. I have a 64G SSD drive with two partitions for two versions of fedora, and I flip between them for each install (and can refer back to the old one if I find so

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 17:01 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:22:29 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > I keep thinking that maybe I should reinstall just to get > > rid of random cruft, but can never be bothered to do it. > > I always reinstall for that very reason. Plus I'

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:22:29 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I keep thinking that maybe I should reinstall just to get > rid of random cruft, but can never be bothered to do it. I always reinstall for that very reason. Plus I've worked out a great way to do it: Install a virtual machine, guest

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Seth Kenlon
+1 Updating on Fedora is [surprisingly?] effective. On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 7:23 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 17:07 +, Beartooth wrote: > > As an old retired fart blissfully unconcerned with production of > > anything, I can afford all this; but it's gawdawf

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-04-15 at 17:07 +, Beartooth wrote: > As an old retired fart blissfully unconcerned with production of > anything, I can afford all this; but it's gawdawful tedious. If there's a > better way that a non-technoid can use, somebody please clue me in! This may not be the an

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
I guess we all have our own methods..as I don't have that many apps that I customize (aside from Thunderbird!can't live without that one!) and with all the calendars, contacts etc?...I just grab the profile that was created when I first installed and configured itand transfer it to

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread sixpack13
Urrrggghhh in 1. you need to generate the list via: dnf list installed | cut -d " " -f1 | sort -u >> rpm_to_delete.txt ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Cod

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread sixpack13
@ Seth Kenlon a separat and during install untouched (just mount it) /home partition could save the sync time too :-) @ Beartooth 1. after install: dnf list installed | sort -u >> rpm_to_delete.txt 2. edit rpm_to_delete.txt and clean it up so that only the rpm are left over you want to delet

Re: Feature request: pre-tweaking

2019-04-15 Thread Seth Kenlon
Interesting that you say this. My experience is the opposite. Here's what I do: * install a fresh image * use the same user and UID as previous install * reboot * rsync my backed-up home dir to my new home dir location. This brings in all application-specific preferences so I don't have to arrange