Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/31/2011 07:43 PM, Alex wrote: > What I don't get is if certain people are so jaded, why so they > stick around? Like another person said, this is all done for free. > Its not like people here are stuck to answerin questions 40 hours a > week. If

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-06 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/06/11 20:15, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 31/05/11 18:24, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> http://www.s

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-06 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 31/05/11 18:24, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. > > smolt page : > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-ea15-44b1-ae4d-788c7

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 06:18 PM, JD wrote: > On 06/03/11 09:09, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> JD writes: >> >>> A user process (such as yum), even with root privs, >>> CANNOT JUMP OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF IT'S ROOT, >>> NAMELY (for example) /mnt/f15 >> >> Umm, that's not true. The chroot(2) man page has a nice

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread JD
On 06/03/11 09:46, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 05:09 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> JD writes: >> >>> A user process (such as yum), even with root privs, >>> CANNOT JUMP OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF IT'S ROOT, >>> NAMELY (for example) /mnt/f15 >> Umm, that's not true. The chroot(2) man pa

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread JD
On 06/03/11 09:09, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > JD writes: > >> A user process (such as yum), even with root privs, >> CANNOT JUMP OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF IT'S ROOT, >> NAMELY (for example) /mnt/f15 > > Umm, that's not true. The chroot(2) man page has a nice explanation of > how a root userid can tri

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 06:03 PM, Mike Williams wrote: > Have you removed the scsi card, as Marco suggested? I would do that > before doing anything else. You said that there is nothing connected to > it and the system crashes right after the scsi bus is reset. Yank that > sucker out and see what happens.

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread Mike Williams
Have you removed the scsi card, as Marco suggested? I would do that before doing anything else. You said that there is nothing connected to it and the system crashes right after the scsi bus is reset. Yank that sucker out and see what happens. Zero risk, and it might solve the problem. Mike --

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 05:09 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > JD writes: > >> A user process (such as yum), even with root privs, >> CANNOT JUMP OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF IT'S ROOT, >> NAMELY (for example) /mnt/f15 > > Umm, that's not true. The chroot(2) man page has a nice explanation of > how a root userid can

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread Sam Varshavchik
JD writes: A user process (such as yum), even with root privs, CANNOT JUMP OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF IT'S ROOT, NAMELY (for example) /mnt/f15 Umm, that's not true. The chroot(2) man page has a nice explanation of how a root userid can trivially escape a chroot jail. So there is no danger t

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread JD
On 06/03/11 08:38, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 03:41 PM, Louis Lagendijk wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:15 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> >>> Currently nothing is attached to the SCSI controller. So I'm wondering >>> if I actually remove it, the problem will disappear. >>>

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 03:41 PM, Louis Lagendijk wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:15 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > >>> >> Currently nothing is attached to the SCSI controller. So I'm wondering >> if I actually remove it, the problem will disappear. >> > The probability is quite (not to say very) high

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 15:15 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > > > Currently nothing is attached to the SCSI controller. So I'm wondering > if I actually remove it, the problem will disappear. > The probability is quite (not to say very) high that this will solve the issue, yes. If not, I would

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 02:48 PM, JD wrote: > On 06/03/11 03:22, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 06/03/2011 03:44 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: For my PC Fedora 15 update fails Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot Fedor

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 02:05 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Friday 03 June 2011 12:52:56 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 06/03/2011 11:58 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> On Friday 03 June 2011 09:03:15 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: I can understand why you suggest that, but why does Fedora 14 work? The >

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread JD
On 06/03/11 03:22, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 03:44 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> For my PC >>> >>> Fedora 15 update fails >>> >>> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >>> >>> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >>> >>> All fail

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 03 June 2011 12:52:56 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 11:58 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > On Friday 03 June 2011 09:03:15 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > >> I can understand why you suggest that, but why does Fedora 14 work? The > >> failure appears to occur during the kernel sta

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 11:58 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Friday 03 June 2011 09:03:15 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> I can understand why you suggest that, but why does Fedora 14 work? The >> failure appears to occur during the kernel start up and Fedora 15 has a >> newer kernel, for Live CD, install DVD

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 03 June 2011 09:03:15 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > I can understand why you suggest that, but why does Fedora 14 work? The > failure appears to occur during the kernel start up and Fedora 15 has a > newer kernel, for Live CD, install DVD, and actual installation, and all > fail appear to

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 03:44 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> htt

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 05:26 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 05:16 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> For my PC >>> >>> Fedora 15 update fails >>> >>> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >>> >>> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >>> >>> All

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 08:42 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 06:40 AM, JD wrote: >> On 06/02/11 21:26, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> On 06/03/2011 05:16 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails >

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 06:32 AM, JD wrote: > On 06/02/11 21:16, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> For my PC >>> >>> Fedora 15 update fails >>> >>> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >>> >>> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >>> >>> All fail to finish initial

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-03 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 06:40 AM, JD wrote: > On 06/02/11 21:26, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 06/03/2011 05:16 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: For my PC Fedora 15 update fails Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot Fedor

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread JD
On 06/02/11 21:26, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 06/03/2011 05:16 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> For my PC >>> >>> Fedora 15 update fails >>> >>> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >>> >>> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >>> >>> All fail

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread JD
On 06/02/11 21:16, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> http://w

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 05:16 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> htt

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. > > smolt page : > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-ea15-44b1-ae4d-788c70

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 04:51 AM, JD wrote: > On 06/02/11 19:44, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> For my PC >>> >>> Fedora 15 update fails >>> >>> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >>> >>> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >>> >>> All fail to finish initial

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread JD
On 06/02/11 19:44, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> http://w

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/03/2011 03:44 AM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> htt

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. > > smolt page : > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-ea15-44b1-ae4d-788c70

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-02 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
On 05/31/2011 07:43 PM, Alex wrote: > What I don't get is if certain people are so jaded, why so they > stick around? Like another person said, this is all done for free. > Its not like people here are stuck to answerin questions 40 hours a > week. If questions upset you, then hit the road. There's

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-06-01 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/01/2011 07:32 AM, JD wrote: > On 05/31/11 23:20, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >>> For my PC >>> >>> Fedora 15 update fails >>> >>> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >>> >>> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >>> >>> All fail to finish initial

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread JD
On 05/31/11 23:20, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt page : >> http://w

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 05/31/2011 06:24 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. > > smolt page : > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-ea15-44b1-ae4d-788c70

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/01/2011 02:21 AM, Peter Larsen wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 18:24 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > Sounds like hardware/bios to me? Maybe you didn't hit the ON butt

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/01/2011 02:22 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/31/2011 06:03 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> As I said, I do not hold you in high regard. If your tired of listening, >> then don't, it'd suit us both fine I think. > > Goodbye, luser. *Plonk!* As I said, I do not hold you in high regard. No lose

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2011 06:03 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > As I said, I do not hold you in high regard. If your tired of listening, > then don't, it'd suit us both fine I think. Goodbye, luser. *Plonk!* -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Larsen
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 18:24 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot Sounds like hardware/bios to me? Maybe you didn't hit the ON button? (exaggeration made on purpose here). Define "boo

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Peter Larsen
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 17:44 -0700, JD wrote: > On 05/31/11 16:25, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > > Sorry to say this, but after some of the jaded comments you've made in > > the past I don't hold you in high regard. > I have been seeing a lot of complaints about F15. > This tells me that this release

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 06/01/2011 01:56 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/31/2011 05:33 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> Please do not come out with, "we do this for free" as an excuse for >> making jaded comments, that response will lose you a lot of respect from >> myself, and I already know that thank you! > > You keep

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2011 05:33 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > Please do not come out with, "we do this for free" as an excuse for > making jaded comments, that response will lose you a lot of respect from > myself, and I already know that thank you! You keep referring, over and over to "jaded comments." Y

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread JD
On 05/31/11 16:25, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > Sorry to say this, but after some of the jaded comments you've made in > the past I don't hold you in high regard. I have been seeing a lot of complaints about F15. This tells me that this release was made in too much of a hurry (only ~6 months after

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Alex
What I don't get is if certain people are so jaded, why so they stick around? Like another person said, this is all done for free. Its not like people here are stuck to answerin questions 40 hours a week. If questions upset you, then hit the road. There's no reason for angry/jaded people to stic

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 05/31/2011 08:17 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 31 May 2011 18:24:40 +0100 > "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" wrote: > >> For my PC >> >> Fedora 15 update fails >> >> Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot >> >> Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot >> >> All fail to finish initialising hardware. >> >> smolt pag

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2011 04:25 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > Sorry to say this, but after some of the jaded comments you've made in > the past I don't hold you in high regard. *Shrug!* That's your privilege. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Timothy Murphy
n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. If I had had your experience (and I have had much worse, though not with Fedora-15) I would probably try

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 05/31/2011 09:11 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/31/2011 10:54 AM, JD wrote: >> Keep posting your problem along with >> more information such as messages in /var/log/messages >> which might shed some light on the nature of the >> problem you are facing. > > Exactly. Just claiming that it's impossib

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/31/2011 10:54 AM, JD wrote: > Keep posting your problem along with > more information such as messages in /var/log/messages > which might shed some light on the nature of the > problem you are facing. Exactly. Just claiming that it's impossible to upgrade from F14 to F15 (Especially, I mig

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 31 May 2011 18:24:40 +0100 "n2xssvv.g02gfr12930" wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. > > smolt page : > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-

Re: Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread JD
On 05/31/11 10:24, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: > For my PC > > Fedora 15 update fails > > Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot > > Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot > > All fail to finish initialising hardware. > > smolt page : > http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-ea15-44b1-ae4d-788c70a5a3d

Not enough info, so no point

2011-05-31 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
For my PC Fedora 15 update fails Fedora 15 install CD fails to boot Fedora 15 Live KDE fails to boot All fail to finish initialising hardware. smolt page : http://www.smolts.org/client/show/pub_4917245b-ea15-44b1-ae4d-788c70a5a3d9 Result : I shall not be updating to Fedora 15 any time soon