On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 10:40 -0700, davidbri...@att.net wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:21 AM, Michael Schwendt
> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:
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> > > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> > > > 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
> > > > > Do we wa
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 10:40 -0700, davidbri...@att.net wrote:
> Because honestly, all of this, the previous FWN discussion, and the
> one that preceded that, have been irrelevant to the purpose of a
> beginners list, so far as I am aware.
To clarify, this not meant to be a "beginner's list". Begin
On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:21 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
towards this list right now via a number of d
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> > 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
> > > Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> > > towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> > > is
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> > to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> > admins directly, users-ow...@lists
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> admins directly, users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case. If
> warranted, any list admi
dexter wrote:
> 2010/6/4 Máirín Duffy :
>> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
>>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora
>>> contributors don't actually want to participate on the user lists
>>>
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:15 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> >> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
> >> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
> >> thread
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
>> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
>> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
>> thread in question, I have to say that *many* of your responses were
>
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:28:20 +0100, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 06/03/2010 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> How do we fix this?
>> - moderation?
>> - a code of conduct?
>> - ?
>>
>> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
>> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
[snip]
> It's always tempting to propose radical solutions when some unusual
> event occurs (see most responses to terrorist incidents for a real-world
> parallel).
I have to agree with this. Having used mailing lists, forums, Usenet,
BBS
On 06/03/2010 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> How do we fix this?
> - moderation?
> - a code of conduct?
> - ?
>
> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle of the
> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:02 +0100, Michal wrote:
> > My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> > key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> > subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> > a *brief* list of the top
On 06/04/2010 09:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top poin
> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
> message
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 06:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Lately I've been thinking a lot about how alternative interfaces to
> mailing lists might improve some of the problems inherent to them. I
> actually set up a blog gateway and a forum gateway to the Fedora
> design list. While it was primaril
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 2. This list, and every list I've ever been on, has its "moments".
> These "moments" can be protracted but are few and far between on this
> list, IMHO. So, if someone just happens to join the list during one of
> these moments, they may be t
2010/6/4 Máirín Duffy :
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
>> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
>> un
I think the following.
1. Everyone has an opinion. When the opinion is of a "personal",
subjective nature and the object of the opinion disagrees then they have
choices. Two possible choices are: either take it as a personal attack
and fight back or ignore it.
2. This list, and every list
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> > towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> > is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I
> Choose a good subject - Do not make your subject say just
> "Help slax newbie" nobody wants to hear this. Describe your
> problem briefly in your subject, then you can describe your
> problem in greater depth in the body of your article. Repeat
> the subject in the body if it will make things c
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not
> sure we can in good conscience continue to point new
--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> From: Máirín Duffy
> Subject: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
> To: "Community support for Fedora users"
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700,
> Craig
--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> From: Máirín Duffy
> Subject: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
> To: "Community support for Fedora users"
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700,
> Craig
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 23:11 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> > volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> > don't actually want to participate on the
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
> unappreciative, sarcastic and co
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