On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 10:40 -0700, davidbri...@att.net wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:21 AM, Michael Schwendt
> wrote:
>
>
>
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> > On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> > > > 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
> > > > > Do we wa
On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 10:40 -0700, davidbri...@att.net wrote:
> Because honestly, all of this, the previous FWN discussion, and the
> one that preceded that, have been irrelevant to the purpose of a
> beginners list, so far as I am aware.
To clarify, this not meant to be a "beginner's list". Begin
On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:21 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
towards this list right now via a number of d
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +, g wrote:
>> it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question
>> than you are at designing web pages.
>
> We're done here.
I'm amazed that you hung in here for as long!
Even without a link to torrents on
http://fe
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:17:04 -0400, Máirín wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> > 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy:
> > > Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> > > towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> > > is
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> > to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> > admins directly, users-ow...@lists
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> admins directly, users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case. If
> warranted, any list admi
dexter wrote:
> 2010/6/4 Máirín Duffy :
>> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
>>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora
>>> contributors don't actually want to participate on the user lists
>>>
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:15 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> >> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
> >> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
> >> thread
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
>> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
>> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But after reviewing the
>> thread in question, I have to say that *many* of your responses were
>
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:28:20 +0100, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> On 06/03/2010 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> How do we fix this?
>> - moderation?
>> - a code of conduct?
>> - ?
>>
>> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
>> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:27 PM, g wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
>
>
>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
>> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
>> unappreciative
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
[snip]
> It's always tempting to propose radical solutions when some unusual
> event occurs (see most responses to terrorist incidents for a real-world
> parallel).
I have to agree with this. Having used mailing lists, forums, Usenet,
BBS
On 06/03/2010 11:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> How do we fix this?
> - moderation?
> - a code of conduct?
> - ?
>
> I've found some of the behavior of a few on this list to be quite
> embarrassing. To me, it seems an alien island in the middle of the
> Fedora community that I know to be a genuinely
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:02 +0100, Michal wrote:
> > My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> > key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> > subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> > a *brief* list of the top
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:18 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > like Gene you have assumed that Máirín is a woman and I
> > can't imagine any greater testimony to your arrogance and insensitivity
> > of others but keep trying.
>
> Not that I think tha
On 06/04/2010 09:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top poin
> My advice is to leave well alone. What I would do however is make some
> key aspects of the Guidelines a little more upfront when people
> subscribe. I don't mean simply a pointer to the complete Guidelines, but
> a *brief* list of the top points directly summarized in the confirmation
> message
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 06:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Lately I've been thinking a lot about how alternative interfaces to
> mailing lists might improve some of the problems inherent to them. I
> actually set up a blog gateway and a forum gateway to the Fedora
> design list. While it was primaril
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 2. This list, and every list I've ever been on, has its "moments".
> These "moments" can be protracted but are few and far between on this
> list, IMHO. So, if someone just happens to join the list during one of
> these moments, they may be t
2010/6/4 Máirín Duffy :
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
>> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
>> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
>> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
>> un
I think the following.
1. Everyone has an opinion. When the opinion is of a "personal",
subjective nature and the object of the opinion disagrees then they have
choices. Two possible choices are: either take it as a personal attack
and fight back or ignore it.
2. This list, and every list
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Craig White wrote:
> like Gene you have assumed that Máirín is a woman and I
> can't imagine any greater testimony to your arrogance and insensitivity
> of others but keep trying.
Not that I think that sex has any substantive relevance at all here,
but I'm pretty s
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> > towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> > is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I
> Choose a good subject - Do not make your subject say just
> "Help slax newbie" nobody wants to hear this. Describe your
> problem briefly in your subject, then you can describe your
> problem in greater depth in the body of your article. Repeat
> the subject in the body if it will make things c
2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> is planning to redesign the Fedora website for Fedora 14, and I'm not
> sure we can in good conscience continue to point new
--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> From: Máirín Duffy
> Subject: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
> To: "Community support for Fedora users"
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700,
> Craig
--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> From: Máirín Duffy
> Subject: Improving the list climate [was Re: Fwd: Fedora Weekly News 228]
> To: "Community support for Fedora users"
> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:11 PM
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700,
> Craig
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 23:11 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> > volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> > don't actually want to participate on the
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 00:27 +, g wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
>
>
> > George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> > volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> > don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
> > unappre
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
> unappreciative, sarcastic and co
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:00 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Thursday 03 June 2010 06:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Slightly OT: users of most modern mailers (Evolution, TBird, Kmail I
> > think, no doubt many others) should know that it's very easy to
> quote
> > only the part you want to com
On Thursday 03 June 2010 06:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Slightly OT: users of most modern mailers (Evolution, TBird, Kmail I
> think, no doubt many others) should know that it's very easy to quote
> only the part you want to comment on. Just select the relevant text
> before you hit Reply.
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 09:58 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Separate your responses. Just quote the bit you need to, dump the
> rest, in its entirety.
Well said Tim (your whole message, not just this bit :-)
Slightly OT: users of most modern mailers (Evolution, TBird, Kmail I
think, no doubt many others) sh
On 06/04/2010 08:28 AM, Tim wrote:
>
>> 2. Forwarding edited messages could result in portions being removed
>> that some would find useful. (Why does the person forwarding get to
>> decide what is "important"?)
>>
> I don't really agree on the above. Firstly, please don't forward such
> me
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 03:56 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I could see how some would object and I could see several reasons why
> it is a not so good idea.
So can I, and the first thing that sprang to mind was the next thing you
said:
> 1. Having an informal method of forwarding messages from other
Craig White wrote:
> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
> unappreciative, sarcastic and combative users.
craig,
for someo
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 22:18 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +, g wrote:
> >> it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question
> >> than you are at designing web pages.
> >
> > We're done here.
>
> may be that you are because;
>
>
On 03/06/10 20:56, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>>
> I could see how some would object and I could see several reasons why it
> is a not so good idea.
I know what you mean Ed,
But, find it a hard one to call as some were calling for info here,
in my head (maybe not the lcu) it was those was trying to r
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +, g wrote:
>> it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question
>> than you are at designing web pages.
>
> We're done here.
may be that you are because;
your final evasion is an obvious admission that there was no ann
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +, g wrote:
> it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question
> than you are at designing web pages.
We're done here.
Have a nice day,
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Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Actually that post had plenty to do with what was used on the site for
> get.fpo. Did you read it? That's the blog post where the first get.fpo
> mockup was presented - the set of mockups links includes the first
> mockup we did for the get.fpo that is up right now:
again,
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 20:18 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:32 +, g wrote:
> >> MáirÃn Duffy wrote:
> >>
> >>> The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
> >>> announce-list
> >> exactly which fwn where announcements in?
> >
> > Fr
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:32 +, g wrote:
>> MáirÃn Duffy wrote:
>>
>>> The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
>>> announce-list
>> exactly which fwn where announcements in?
>
> Frank already posted one of the references to the FWN/announce-l
On 06/03/2010 04:59 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 03/06/10 09:44, g wrote:
>
>> Frank Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Hope nobody Minds.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>> hi frank,
>>
>> not at all.
>>
>> i get fwn, too.
>>
>> i was going to forward it also.
>>
>> but i thought about snipping it down to what
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:32 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>
> > The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
> > announce-list
>
> exactly which fwn where announcements in?
Frank already posted one of the references to the FWN/announce-list
notice of the redesign
Máirín Duffy wrote:
> The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
> announce-list
exactly which fwn where announcements in?
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On Thursday 03 June 2010, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Hope nobody Minds.
>
>Since you don't explain why you're doing this, we can only speculate. Or
>are we to expect reposts of every issue of FWN from the announce list? I
>for one would cer
> How many of you are subscribed to announce-list?
>
> The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
> announce-list I really don't get all the harping about how people didn't
> know about it...
>
> ~m
>
>
I knew of it, but had not subscribed. seeing it has this content, i
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 11:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:19 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > On 03/06/10 16:12, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > >> Hope nobody Minds.
> > >
> > > Since you don't explain why yo
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:19 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 03/06/10 16:12, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> >> Hope nobody Minds.
> >
> > Since you don't explain why you're doing this, we can only speculate.
>
> All the past week or so about
On 03/06/10 16:12, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Hope nobody Minds.
>
> Since you don't explain why you're doing this, we can only speculate.
All the past week or so about "we didn't know"
Or
> are we to expect reposts of every issue of F
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Hope nobody Minds.
Since you don't explain why you're doing this, we can only speculate. Or
are we to expect reposts of every issue of FWN from the announce list? I
for one would certainly mind that.
poc
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Frank Murphy wrote:
> I'll let you do it then?,
> as your shears may be better than mine.
lol.
more satirical? more cynical?
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On Thursday 03 June 2010, Frank Murphy wrote:
>Hope nobody Minds.
>
>Frank
>
Thank you Frank.
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On 03/06/10 09:44, g wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Hope nobody Minds.
>>
>> Frank
>
> hi frank,
>
> not at all.
>
> i get fwn, too.
>
> i was going to forward it also.
>
> but i thought about snipping it down to what might be pertinent to recent
> events. :D
>
I'll let you do it then?,
as
Frank Murphy wrote:
> Hope nobody Minds.
>
> Frank
hi frank,
not at all.
i get fwn, too.
i was going to forward it also.
but i thought about snipping it down to what might be pertinent to recent
events. :D
such as;
> Subject: Fedora Weekly News 228
> o 1.5 Artwork + 1.5.1 Design Team Rel
Hope nobody Minds.
Frank
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