On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:49:34 -0600
Chris Adams wrote:
> Can we get a list admin to kill this thread? Two people calling each
> other names (and more) back and forth is really not that helpful.
Yeah.
I would have done it sooner but I have been busy and apparently so have
all the other list adm
Can we get a list admin to kill this thread? Two people calling each
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/26/2015 07:26 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>>
If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
>>>
On 02/26/2015 07:26 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
report,
If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then
pu
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
>> report,
>
> If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then
> publish updates on a regular basis. M
On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
report,
If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then
publish updates on a regular basis. Monthly network installer iso
images, for instance.
Stability and
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> But no, you were just being a discourteous
>> person.
>
>
> Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for posting
> was to create dissension,
You keep making these grandiose,
On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
But no, you were just being a discourteous
person.
Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for
posting was to create dissension, I've been very, very careful to remain
civil and I intend to continue that way. I'm not saying
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> No, my posts are designed to hold people accountable for things they
>> say, and insist they provide facts, not mere opinions. If that demand
>> just so happens to cause the conjecturing factless tro
On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause
dissention, which you've alrea
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
>
>
> No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause
> dissention, which you've already admitted to doing. No more food
On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
By all means unleash your billy goat, because no doubt it can conduct
a debate better than you have. Fine debaters, billy goats. I'll bet
your billy goat has bugs filed before you do at this rate.
Weird is anything you don't approve of.
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On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and
cause dissention, which you've already admitted to doing. No more food
for you, troll.
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new
>> and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious,
>> so I also like causing dissonance in others when I
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> So 75+ emails on a thread about how the installer can't do what you
>> want, and it's actually based on uncertainty? You need more Pai Mei in
>> your life. I have obviously been way, way too diplom
On 02/25/2015 02:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
They are provided by default, they're hard dependencies by Anaconda.
Thank you; as I've said, it's been years since I've needed to do a clean
install of Fedora. As long as they're available, and as long as you can
make whatever selections of mount
On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new
and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious,
so I also like causing dissonance in others when I think they're
wrong.
I see: you're simply a troll. Get back
On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
So 75+ emails on a thread about how the installer can't do what you
want, and it's actually based on uncertainty? You need more Pai Mei in
your life. I have obviously been way, way too diplomatic and patient.
One of the many things I like about Linux
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> An excellent point. If the needed CLI tools are provided by default, that's
> all that's really needed, isn't it? (Having this mentioned either in the
> installer's instructions or in the on-line Documentation would be a Good
> Idea as well.)
On 02/25/2015 02:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Why do you need a button in the installer? Why is ctrl-alt-f2 to get
to a shell insufficient?
An excellent point. If the needed CLI tools are provided by default,
that's all that's really needed, isn't it? (Having this mentioned
either in the inst
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 01:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I refuse your premise. The feature requesters have no champion
>> offering to even create this hypothetical Expert Mode, therefore no
>> one is refusing to patch bugs for something that doesn't eve
On 02/25/2015 01:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I refuse your premise. The feature requesters have no champion
offering to even create this hypothetical Expert Mode, therefore no
one is refusing to patch bugs for something that doesn't even exist.
Just to be clear, do you mean "I refuse to accept y
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with
> fdisk or gparted or similar, wich then jumps back to anaconda when
> partitioning
> is done, which then rereads the disk layout and let me enter the mountpoints
> wo
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
>> providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
>> is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfull
On 02/25/2015 01:44 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
Since 21 there is no "complete" version. About the only way to not
use live media is to use netinstall.
So? Next time I do a clean install, that's what I'll use.
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:23:32 -0800
Joe Zeff wrote:
> I've had to do a clean install of Fedora, I've always used the complete
> install version
Since 21 there is no "complete" version. About the only way to not
use live media is to use netinstall.
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On 02/25/2015 01:14 PM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
I'm not clear how this is better than just running fdisk off the live
image before running the installer, though.
Well, what about those people who don't install from a live image? When
I've had to do a clean install of Fedora, I've always used t
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 12:56 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 12:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> > An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with
> > fdisk or gparted or similar,
>
> I like that. If you don't know enough Linux to use those tools (or how
> to read and
On 02/25/2015 12:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with
fdisk or gparted or similar,
I like that. If you don't know enough Linux to use those tools (or how
to read and understand whatever help they give) you probably don't know
en
On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfully disabling things.
I doubt that. What we want is a way to
On 25.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
> One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
> providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
> is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfully disabling things.
Not at all.
An example could be something l
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/24/2015 05:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius
>> wrote:
>
>
>>> Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system
>>> which
>>> for (at least to me) unknown reasons ref
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 24.02.2015, jd1008 wrote:
>
>> Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
>> the drive, without resorting to external tools.
>> But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
>> manually partition th
On 02/24/2015 05:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system which
for (at least to me) unknown reasons refuses to boot from chained/cascaded
grub partitions beyond some disk-limits.
On 24.02.2015, jd1008 wrote:
> Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
> the drive, without resorting to external tools.
> But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
> manually partition their drives.
A simple solution would be to do whatever is n
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM, jd1008 wrote:
> Provide flexibilty for users who would want schemes other than anaconda's
> defaults and very limited partitioning options.
Flexibility is not inherently a public good in its own right. It comes
with costs, typically exponential.
Storage stacks
On Feb 24, 2015 11:40 AM, "jd1008" wrote:
>
>
> On 02/23/2015 04:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>>
>> On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom
>>> partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for
>>> many years. So, al
On 02/23/2015 04:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote:
I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom
partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for
many years. So, all such options should be made available.
A responder to this thread
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> E.g. Some (all?) BIOSes aren't able to boot from non-primary partitions.
I'm pretty sure it's a non-factor if GRUB is used because GRUB
boot.img (formerly stage1) in the first 440 bytes is just jump code to
core.img. It doesn't depend on p
On 02/23/2015 10:15 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
On Feb 23, 2015 1:26 PM, "Chris Murphy"
I don't think it came up in
this thread, but I've seen partition ordering cited in this context as
well: user wants /boot on sda1, / on sda2, /home on sda3, /opt on sda5,
/usr/local on /sda6, and so on. In mo
On 02/23/2015 05:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Right. And I'm still waiting to hear, what ought to be much easier
than answering your questions, examples of what layout the installer
won't let them create; or won't use once precreated elsewhere.
Fair enough. For the record, I don't think it does
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>
> What is the benefit of having anaconda worry about *creating* these
> partitioning schemes (for lack of a better term)?
>
> Wouldn't it be better to ask people to use the regular tools in a live
> media environment for anything other than a v
On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote:
I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom
partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for
many years. So, all such options should be made available.
A responder to this thread mentioned that there should be an
"expert" m
On Monday 23 February 2015 15:45:26 Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson
>
> wrote:
> > But maybe the problem is that not many people install/reinstall/fedup
> > often
> > enough to get familiar with it.
>
> Nor should they. Therein lies a huge reason for why
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson
wrote:
> But maybe the problem is that not many people install/reinstall/fedup often
> enough to get familiar with it.
Nor should they. Therein lies a huge reason for why I think the scope
is just too extreme when they either have to become fami
On 23.02.2015, Pete Travis wrote:
> "Because that's that I want" isn't a good way to ask for someone else's time.
I didn't ask for someone else's time, but for an explanation why there is a
custom mode which indeed isn't custom . I do not want somebody to implement
something
which fits my speci
On 02/23/2015 01:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
Neurotic I might be, but that's the way I do an "upgrade" because I don't
trust the installer - yum upgrade - fedup or whatever its next incarnation
might be!
Just as a side-note: I've never had fedup fail me on my laptop or work
correctly on my
On 02/23/2015 01:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
So if there's no bug citation I'm considering this in the realm of
conjecture. It's a unicorn.
I'd prefer to call it a Black Swan: something that shouldn't ever
happen, but not quite as impossible as we think.
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On 02/23/2015 01:48 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Anaconda's supported layouts (usage of device types, and creating
volume associated with mountpoints) is not any different among the
various medias available.
There's a slight misunderstanding here. Having two versions of
anaconda, one for Live medi
On Monday 23 February 2015 14:03:17 Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Andrew R Paterson
>
> wrote:
> > I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
> > I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that
> > when I upgrade from one version of LINUX
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important
>> unless you have backups.
>
>
> First, I'd like to point out that just because the installer isn't supposed
> to modify your p
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 12:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted
>> then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it
>> integrated in Anaconda?
>
>
> One of the constraints on w
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> This has been a discussion for quite a while over on the devel list (the
> shortcomings/obfuscation in anaconda). I'd highly suggest that you put
> in your $0.02 over there. I have for quite a while but I guess I don't
> carry a lot of weigh
On 02/23/2015 01:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I mean... fucking seriously. I'm going to go buy a bucket and a mallet.
Back when I did senior tech support for an ISP, we used headsets with
long cords so that we could move around during a call. I always
arranged things so that I was near a pilla
On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important
unless you have backups.
First, I'd like to point out that just because the installer isn't
supposed to modify your partitions without your explicitly selecting
them doesn't mean t
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> To delete and existing /opt or /home requires explicit user
> intervention for this to happen. It doesn't happen by itself. You have
> to a.) click the mount point, b.) click the minus (-) button to
> indicate you want it removed, and c.) the
On 02/23/2015 12:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted
then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it
integrated in Anaconda?
One of the constraints on what anaconda can do comes from space
limitations, especially on t
On Feb 23, 2015 1:26 PM, "Chris Murphy" wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ralf Corsepius
wrote:
> > In my experience, anaconda is the #1 point, many people (ordinary users
and
> > power users) are complaining about when getting in contact with Fedora
and
> > is the #1 reason why they a
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Wade Hampton wrote:
> [snip]
>
> This was a good thread and is tied in with my experience
> this weekend. I had a very old laptop with F13 that had not
> been booted in years. I tried to load F21 on it using the
> same partitions (and keeping the old Windows part
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Andrew R Paterson
wrote:
> I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
> I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that when I
> upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware but so far
> fedora 9 - 20) that I
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Tim wrote:
> While I don't find it hard to believe that Windows developers won't
> complain. After all, just about all Windows users do is install Windows
> as a new install, or over the top of a previous one, with no intention
> of doing anything like dual-boot.
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> In my experience, anaconda is the #1 point, many people (ordinary users and
> power users) are complaining about when getting in contact with Fedora and
> is the #1 reason why they are shying away from installing Fedora (When
> talking to n
On 02/23/2015 11:01 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 02/22/2015 01:31 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like the Anaconda UI could provide much clearer
explanations of available choices, and the consequenes
of those choices (i.e. their impact on the drives/partitions
that are VISIBLE to Anaconda).
Does it eve
On 02/23/2015 10:01 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 02/22/2015 01:31 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like the Anaconda UI could provide much clearer
explanations of available choices, and the consequenes
of those choices (i.e. their impact on the drives/partitions
that are VISIBLE to Anaconda).
Does it even
On 02/22/2015 01:31 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like the Anaconda UI could provide much clearer
explanations of available choices, and the consequenes
of those choices (i.e. their impact on the drives/partitions
that are VISIBLE to Anaconda).
Does it even make sense to Anaconda to worry about creat
On 23.02.2015 08:44, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2015-02-22 at 15:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> What you're talking about might be in-scope for blivet-gui. It
>> definitely sounds out of scope for a GUI OS installer.
>>
>> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
>> And the
On 22.02.2015 23:55, Matthew Miller wrote:
...
> * I mean, literally: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vision_statement
>
People write all kinds of stuff on the walls, Miller.
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I would like to install a coffee grinder, multi boot with Fedora if possible?
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On 23.02.2015 01:19, Alex Regan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 02/22/2015 06:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
>>> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>>
Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
And their installers are com
[snip]
This was a good thread and is tied in with my experience
this weekend. I had a very old laptop with F13 that had not
been booted in years. I tried to load F21 on it using the
same partitions (and keeping the old Windows partitions).
Anaconda more or less let me try but gave me a warning
a
On Monday 23 February 2015 09:10:24 Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
> I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that when
> I upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware but so
> far fedora 9 - 20) that
I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that when I
upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware but so far
fedora 9 - 20) that I can minimise the risk of (anaconda or whatever the
current insta
On Sun, 2015-02-22 at 15:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> What you're talking about might be in-scope for blivet-gui. It
> definitely sounds out of scope for a GUI OS installer.
>
> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
> And their installers are completely, totally,
On 02/23/2015 12:43 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Look at even Android and cyanogen. Look at the reinvention of all OS's
for mobile devices and how much simpler things are when constraining
choices. Chromebooks are in that same category. Simple. Just works.
They picked a layout and stuck with it.
Th
On 02/22/2015 09:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
What Anaconda did with new UI is break with that tradition, and
emphasize final results, not the nutty esoteric details of how to get
there. Where it still frustrates is how it doesn't convey this
worldview very well to the user.
Well, I think you hav
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 03:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Matthew already mentioned that. The exception is that the
>> installer insists on root fs being formatted by the installer.
>
>
> I see no problem with that. If I'm doing a clean install, tha
Hi,
On 02/22/2015 06:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
ever crash, or ask
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
>> And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
>> ever crash, or ask the user to create required partitions,
On 02/22/2015 03:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Yes. Matthew already mentioned that. The exception is that the
installer insists on root fs being formatted by the installer.
I see no problem with that. If I'm doing a clean install, that's what I
want anyway, and with today's machines, the amount
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 02:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> If
>> you, who seems to care about such things so much, won't do that work,
>> then why should anyone else do it?
>
>
> I haven't done any programming worth mentioning since the late '80s and
> nev
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:39:10PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> I see. Maintainability preceeds flexibility by reducing/eliminating user
> influence at the same time. While it took over 100 years in medicine to reduce
> "i know what's best for you" and moving towards "shared decision making", it
> g
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
> And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
> ever crash, or ask the user to create required partitions, they always
> succeed in their penultimate goal which is t
On 02/22/2015 02:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If
you, who seems to care about such things so much, won't do that work,
then why should anyone else do it?
I haven't done any programming worth mentioning since the late '80s and
never learned python. My impression was that back then, anaconda used
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 01:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Well you're not going to convince me that highly unusual requirements
>> is a valid reason for someone else to do the monumental amount of work
>> to get a GUI installer to do arbitrary things for
On 02/22/2015 01:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Well you're not going to convince me that highly unusual requirements
is a valid reason for someone else to do the monumental amount of work
to get a GUI installer to do arbitrary things for what amounts to
total edge cases.
And yet, I used to be able
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I completely disagree. More custom, more flexibility, in a GUI
>> installer, is a trap. It directly leads to unnecessary design work,
>> coding work, maintenance work, and bugs.
>
>
> I can remembe
On 02/22/2015 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I completely disagree. More custom, more flexibility, in a GUI
installer, is a trap. It directly leads to unnecessary design work,
coding work, maintenance work, and bugs.
I can remember when custom partitioning let you do whatever you wanted,
even i
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:21 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> Interesting.
> What about FreeBSD's UFS (sometimes aka FFS - fast fs)?
> Does it not also allow for FS blocksize to be > than page size?
The block size needing to be at or smaller than the page size is a
linux kernel limitation. So if FreeBSD allo
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> The installer UI is intended* to present meaningful decisions,
>> and make those choices easier and more straightforward..
>
> When I chose "custom partitioning", I actually chose to do things on my ow
On 02/22/2015 01:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:29 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like grub UI could be improved by providing clearer
explanations for each choice and it's consequences.
What GRUB UI? Haha. GRUB upstream is not targeted at the mortal user.
It's basically a buff
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:29 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> Seems like grub UI could be improved by providing clearer
> explanations for each choice and it's consequences.
What GRUB UI? Haha. GRUB upstream is not targeted at the mortal user.
It's basically a buffet of tools for distributions, who then patc
On 02/22/2015 01:11 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM, jd1008 wrote:
I have a 2TB drive formatted as a single MBR partition.
I guess that's just about the limit of and MBR partition size.
But what if the sector size is made to be programmable
and is increased at formatt
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> I have a 2TB drive formatted as a single MBR partition.
> I guess that's just about the limit of and MBR partition size.
> But what if the sector size is made to be programmable
> and is increased at formatting time to values like 2K bytes
> or ev
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
>> Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
>
> The thing is that I no longer have the freedom to do what I want when
>
On 22.02.2015, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Instead, I install in a virtual machine where anaconda is free
> to trash the virtual disks in any way it sees fit, then I
> copy the virtual images to partitions I create myself
> adjust the grub.cfg and fstab files and boot using the
> configfile option of a
On 22.02.2015, Matthew Miller wrote:
> The installer UI is intended* to present meaningful decisions,
> and make those choices easier and more straightforward..
When I chose "custom partitioning", I actually chose to do things on my own,
which however won't be the case. That's weird. There's the
On 02/22/2015 12:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:13:28 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
* how well it succeeds _is_ another question.
I gave up on installing on physical hardware as soon as the new
anaconda first showed up. I don't trust a single thing the
hopelessly obnoxious int
On 02/22/2015 12:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:13:28 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
* how well it succeeds _is_ another question.
I gave up on installing on physical hardware as soon as the new
anaconda first showed up. I don't trust a single thing the
hopelessly obnoxious int
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:13:28 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
> * how well it succeeds _is_ another question.
I gave up on installing on physical hardware as soon as the new
anaconda first showed up. I don't trust a single thing the
hopelessly obnoxious interface shows me and have no idea
what on eart
On 02/22/2015 12:08 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
The thing is that I no longer have the freedom to do what I want when
installing (unless I
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