Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-31 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 00:12 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > The main reason I write about the things I don't like about Gnome 3 is > that I'm still hoping that somebody will be able and willing to explain > why some of those decisions were made. Not so that I can argue about > them because that would

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/31/2011 12:33 AM, Pete Travis wrote: Once more, with brevity! I'm not interested in your opinion of Gnome3. I don't care what your motivations are when you continually bring it up. If that's the way you feel, why did you ask. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubs

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-31 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 31, 2011 1:12 AM, "Joe Zeff" wrote: > > On 12/30/2011 06:41 PM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> So, if you don't like gnome3, and you don't use it, why talk about it? >> Is there a benefit to yourself or the project to be gained? Are these >> complaints contributing to the signal, or the noise?

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/30/2011 06:41 PM, Pete Travis wrote: So, if you don't like gnome3, and you don't use it, why talk about it? Is there a benefit to yourself or the project to be gained? Are these complaints contributing to the signal, or the noise? The main reason I write about the things I don't like ab

Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things

2011-12-30 Thread Philip Rhoades
Mike, On 2011-12-31 08:52, mike cloaked wrote: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: +1 from me too but has anyone got a solution to the Zenbook trackpad hassles? (I am using XFCE) out and also: What particular issues are you having with the trackpad - I don't have tha

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 30, 2011 5:04 PM, "Joe Zeff" wrote: > > On 12/30/2011 03:25 PM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> your reply suggests I didn't clearly communicate the concept of >> extensible behavior sets (my words). > > > I understand what you're getting at. What you don't seem to understand is that I've only lo

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:10:37 +0100, PVDM (paul) wrote: > Installation was fine, also extra installed packages via rpmfusion OK. > However 2 remarks. > - upgrade from F14 to F16 seems to work but is not perfekt in cleaning up > old packages (I think this is not an intended upgrade path, but anyway)

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/30/2011 03:25 PM, Pete Travis wrote: your reply suggests I didn't clearly communicate the concept of extensible behavior sets (my words). I understand what you're getting at. What you don't seem to understand is that I've only logged into the Gnome Shell by accident, I didn't like what

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 30, 2011 12:59 PM, "Joe Zeff" wrote: > > On 12/30/2011 10:42 AM, Pete Travis wrote: >> >> But! Have you looked at extensions.gnome.org ? > > > No. fnord (I like that one!) Please, humor me, try it. Log into a gnome session, pop open a few windows, and point F

Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things

2011-12-30 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > +1 from me too but has anyone got a solution to the Zenbook trackpad > hassles? (I am using XFCE) out and also: > What particular issues are you having with the trackpad - I don't have that particular machine but I have startup commands to

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > Still, it makes me wonder. > I wonder what Red Hat will do with it in RHEL? > In the shape Gnome 3 is currently in Fedora (comprising > Fedora 16), it doesn't have any future in the commercial > world, IMO. > > Ralf > > -- users mailing list The future is always uncertain. How many devices(

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread 夜神　岩男
On 12/31/2011 03:25 AM, Roger K. Wells wrote: On 12/30/2011 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well. +1 Doesn't it bother anybody else here

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/30/2011 10:42 AM, Pete Travis wrote: But! Have you looked at extensions.gnome.org ? No. As I've said here several times, when I found out what Gnome 3 was going to be like I migrated to XFCE and have no desire to go back again. As such, I'm on the outside

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/30/2011 07:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well. Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch of third-party

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Pete Travis
On Dec 30, 2011 11:00 AM, "Joe Zeff" wrote: > > On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: >> >> Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on >> extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well. > > > Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bu

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Roger K. Wells
On 12/30/2011 01:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well. +1 Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch of third-p

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well. Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch of third-party extensions and mimic the way Gnome 2 wor

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Patrick Lists
On 30-12-11 12:34, mike cloaked wrote: I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16 - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops) with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a responsive and crisp xfce desktop. I can do ever

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 11:34 +, mike cloaked wrote: > I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16 > - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops) > with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a > responsive and crisp xfce

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread paul van der meij
Installation was fine, also extra installed packages via rpmfusion OK. However 2 remarks. - upgrade from F14 to F16 seems to work but is not perfekt in cleaning up old packages (I think this is not an intended upgrade path, but anyway) - selecting of test-updates is not flawless, there are some pac

Re: F16 - a good experience - except Zenbook trackpad + couple of other things

2011-12-30 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:41:58 -0500 From: Lucélio Gomes de Freitas To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: F16 - a good experience Message-ID: <4efdcdb6.4010...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 +1 Em 30-12-2011 06:34, mike cloaked escreveu:

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Maurizio Marini
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:34:01 + mike cloaked wrote: > responsive and crisp xfce desktop. I can do everything that I need to but u are not using gnome 3 :) m. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread John Austin
On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 13:15 +0100, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > +1 > > I love F16, it is the most stable and enjoyable release I have run to > date, and I have been running since F8. > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Lucélio Gomes de Freitas > wrote: > +1 > > Em 30-

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
+1 I love F16, it is the most stable and enjoyable release I have run to date, and I have been running since F8. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Lucélio Gomes de Freitas < aa.luce...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 > > Em 30-12-2011 06:34, mike cloaked escreveu: > > I know that recently some folk have p

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Lucélio Gomes de Freitas
+1 Em 30-12-2011 06:34, mike cloaked escreveu: > I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16 > - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops) > with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a > responsive and crisp xfce desktop.

F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread mike cloaked
I know that recently some folk have posted of bad experiences with f16 - however I am running f16 on 6 machines (4 laptops and 2 desktops) with 4 x86_64 and 2 i686 - and all are now stable, and running with a responsive and crisp xfce desktop. I can do everything that I need to do, and one of the