5tFTw: F21 on Track, FESCo Membership Change, More DNF vs. Yum, Reading VM Logs, and Wiki Infoboxes (2014-06-17)

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Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 13 March 2014 20:09, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/13/2014 07:04 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > >> Making RPMs and yum more efficient is great, don't get me wrong. >> > > Making them faster != making them more efficient if they end up not > updating everything because they're using obsolete metadata. That

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 13 March 2014 16:23, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 03/13/2014 10:17 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: > > I'm with you Mark...CLi all the way with the updates. And I like what > DNF does with skipping repos it can't find. BTW, if you set > > "metadata_expire=-1" in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf then the metadata *a

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 13 March 2014 16:17, Kevin Martin wrote: [] > Oh, and one other thing I noticed recently is that something has changed > in the regex handling. From time to time I would "sudo dnf > --enablerepo=fedora*testing upgrade" and that worked for awhile but now I > get an error that the repo fe

Re: DNF vs. YUM

Hi On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Making technical decisions for admittingly marketing reasons is, like > someone else put it, retarded. > Have you thought about the possibility that there is a set of tradeoffs either way and it is a configurable choice for that reaso

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Zelený writes: > >> On 13. 3. 2014 at 13:41:48, Tethys wrote: >> > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mark Haney >> wrote: >> > > So, let me get this straight, DNF doesn't check the (online?) repo >> > > metadata when I call 'sudo dnf up

Re: DNF vs. YUM

Jan Zelený writes: On 13. 3. 2014 at 13:41:48, Tethys wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > > So, let me get this straight, DNF doesn't check the (online?) repo > > metadata when I call 'sudo dnf update'? That's how I'm reading this. > > > > If that's true, why the dev

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:09:31 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 03/13/2014 07:04 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > > Making RPMs and yum more efficient is great, don't get me wrong. > > Making them faster != making them more efficient if they end up not > updating everything because they're using obsolete metadata

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 03/13/2014 07:04 AM, Mark Haney wrote: Making RPMs and yum more efficient is great, don't get me wrong. Making them faster != making them more efficient if they end up not updating everything because they're using obsolete metadata. That's just pushing the time needed for the upgrade into

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 13. 3. 2014 at 10:04:04, Mark Haney wrote: > On 03/13/14 09:52, Tethys wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jan Zelený > > > > wrote: > >> The metadata are quite large and downloading them every single > >> time is time consuming. > > > > I can't think of an occasion on which I'd want

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 03/13/2014 10:17 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: > I'm with you Mark...CLi all the way with the updates. And I like what DNF > does with skipping repos it can't find. BTW, if you set > "metadata_expire=-1" in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf then the metadata *always downloads > from the repo. One thing I don't

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 03/13/2014 09:04 AM, Mark Haney wrote: > > > On 03/13/14 09:52, Tethys wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jan Zelený >> wrote: > >>> The metadata are quite large and downloading them every single >>> time is time consuming. > >> I can't think of an occasion on which I'd want to say

Re: DNF vs. YUM

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/14 09:52, Tethys wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jan Zelený > wrote: > >> The metadata are quite large and downloading them every single >> time is time consuming. > > I can't think of an occasion on which I'd want to say "updat

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: > The metadata are quite large and downloading them every single time is > time consuming. I can't think of an occasion on which I'd want to say "update this package, but not to the latest version". For installing new software, maybe. But updati

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On 13. 3. 2014 at 13:41:48, Tethys wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > > So, let me get this straight, DNF doesn't check the (online?) repo > > metadata when I call 'sudo dnf update'? That's how I'm reading this. > > > > If that's true, why the devil not? > > At a gu

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:35:59 -0400 Mark Haney wrote: > So, let me get this straight, DNF doesn't check the (online?) repo > metadata when I call 'sudo dnf update'? It's the size of the metadata some people complained against yum. ___ Regards Frank frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@l

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mark Haney wrote: > So, let me get this straight, DNF doesn't check the (online?) repo > metadata when I call 'sudo dnf update'? That's how I'm reading this. > If that's true, why the devil not? At a guess, for marketing reasons. People see apt as being quicker

Re: DNF vs. YUM

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/13/14 09:16, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/user_faq.html#why-do-i-get-different-results-with-dnf-update-vs-yum-update > > So, let me get this straight, DNF doesn't check the (online?) repo metadata when I call 'sudo dn

Re: DNF vs. YUM

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:12:04 -0400 Mark Haney wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've been using DNF pretty regularly since upgrading to F20 and so far > I'm not sure I see any real big difference between them. Although, I > may not be supposed to see a difference. >

DNF vs. YUM

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been using DNF pretty regularly since upgrading to F20 and so far I'm not sure I see any real big difference between them. Although, I may not be supposed to see a difference. The one thing I have noticed is that DNF quite often shows no updates