Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 June 2014 16:09, Liam Proven wrote: > On 24 June 2014 12:03, Ian Malone wrote: >> PS, you've misspelt Microsoft. If you want to be consistent you need >> to make up humorous[1] misspellings of NetworkManager and Evolution >> too. >> [1] For low values of humorous. > > > I suggest MICROS~1.

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-25 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 June 2014 12:03, Ian Malone wrote: > PS, you've misspelt Microsoft. If you want to be consistent you need > to make up humorous[1] misspellings of NetworkManager and Evolution > too. > [1] For low values of humorous. I suggest MICROS~1. It's what Win9x turned the name of the "Microsoft Off

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-25 Thread Liam Proven
On 23 June 2014 21:16, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/23/2014 11:43 AM, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> Now let's assume we were both Japanese. Could we record and search >> accurately for a written sentence in English? > > > Considering that most Japanese students study English in school? Probably. :¬) All

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-24 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2014, Ian Malone sent: > PS, you've misspelt Microsoft. If you want to be consistent you need > to make up humorous[1] misspellings of NetworkManager and Evolution > too. They've worked very hard to earn their denigrations... -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2014 09:13, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 23 June 2014, Ian Malone sent: >> Though I'll bet the error doesn't actually mean that the clock is not >> set correctly. The usual experience is it'll be something else going >> wrong for which the underlying cause is the clock set incorr

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-24 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 23 June 2014, Ian Malone sent: > Though I'll bet the error doesn't actually mean that the clock is not > set correctly. The usual experience is it'll be something else going > wrong for which the underlying cause is the clock set incorrectly and > anonymous error is being rep

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-23 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 June 2014 19:43, Liam Proven wrote: > On 23 June 2014 20:33, Tim wrote: >> Tim: Why the hell couldn't the computer just have said to set the clock manually, since it couldn't manage to do it itself, instead of some moronic number code? >> >> >> Liam Proven: >>> I know this wa

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/23/2014 11:43 AM, Liam Proven wrote: Now let's assume we were both Japanese. Could we record and search accurately for a written sentence in English? Considering that most Japanese students study English in school? Probably. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscr

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-23 Thread Liam Proven
On 23 June 2014 20:33, Tim wrote: > Tim: >>> Why the hell couldn't the computer just have said to set the clock >>> manually, since it couldn't manage to do it itself, instead of some >>> moronic number code? > > > Liam Proven: >> I know this was a rhetorical question, but: >> >> These days softwa

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-23 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Why the hell couldn't the computer just have said to set the clock >> manually, since it couldn't manage to do it itself, instead of some >> moronic number code? Liam Proven: > I know this was a rhetorical question, but: > > These days software is expected to be localised into hundreds o

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-23 Thread Liam Proven
On 22 June 2014 17:04, Tim wrote: > Why the hell couldn't the > computer just have said to set the clock manually, since it couldn't > manage to do it itself, instead of some moronic number code? I know this was a rhetorical question, but: These days software is expected to be localised into h

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2014-06-22 at 15:24 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Do you mean that rsync actually sent the message, > or that it was an error in rsync that motivated BackupPC to send it? IIRC when I saw it it was something in /var/log/rsnapshot or /var/log/cron, but it was a while back. poc -- users m

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-22 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 22 June 2014, Timothy Murphy sent: > Incidentally, in defence of my rant, I've found that > when I actually try to trace an error message in the source - > I used to do this quite a lot with NetworkManager > when it used to send out error messages which just said > "Failure 2

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-22 Thread Timothy Murphy
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> What 4 bytes did it want to read, incidentally? > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > well, which is also rsync-based). Google for more. Do you mean that rsync actually sent the message, or that it was an error in rsync that motiv

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:21:52 -0400 George Avrunin wrote: > It can also occur with BackupPC when keyless ssh isn't set up right > and ssh is giving a prompt (e.g., on the first ssh login to a host). Has > happened to me more than once... Yea, that's the reason you find everywhere when googling, w

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread George Avrunin
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:16:29 +0100, "Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 12:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:48:38 +0100 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > > > well, which is also

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 12:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:48:38 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > > well, which is also rsync-based). Google for more. > > And apparently, what it actually means is:

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:48:38 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > well, which is also rsync-based). Google for more. And apparently, what it actually means is: "Hey! I'm trying to talk to an incompatible version of rsync on the

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 15:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Many applications give unhelpful error messages, > but I've never met any quite as useless > as the invariable message from BackupPC: > "Unable to read 4 bytes" > If only it could sometimes say > "Unable to read 3 bytes" > or even "Hooray,

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Marcus Leech
Is BackupPC packaged for Fedora now?    While this particular error message is, I agree, pretty useless, I'll make a general comment.   Software is, necessarily, notorious for generally only being able to "present the evidence immediately before it".  Most applications, for example,   cannot know

BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Many applications give unhelpful error messages, but I've never met any quite as useless as the invariable message from BackupPC: "Unable to read 4 bytes" If only it could sometimes say "Unable to read 3 bytes" or even "Hooray, was able to read 1 byte". What 4 bytes did it want to read, incidental