Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-28 Thread Darr
On Monday, 27 December, 2010 @02:09 zulu, Peter Boy scribed: > Do I have a chance to successfully reuse an existing Cat 3 cable (8 I didn't see anyone else suggest this, so I'll just mention that if you can remove the staples at each end (it's probably not stapled in the middle, unless it was ins

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-27 Thread Tim
Tim: >> But this was very old four-wire phone line, and no matter how far >> back I stripped the wires, one of the original pair was incredibly >> tarnished wire, that no amount of scraping, twisting, or even >> soldering, would make a good connection. So, I thought I'd try the >> obvious: Use th

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-27 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 21:13 -0600, Mikkel wrote: > One thing to be careful of is the shield - make sure it is only > grounded on one end. You are better off not grounding it, then > grounding it at both ends. Well, unless they buy the right connectors, they won't be able to easily ground it, anywa

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-27 Thread Mikkel
On 12/27/2010 01:40 AM, Tim wrote: > > As I recall, CAT3 only goes as far as 10 mbit per second. And depending > on how bad your gear is at automatic speed negotiation, it may keep > trying to go full pelt, instead of sticking to 10 mbits. > I believe it is only rated for 10 mbits. But for a sho

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-27 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/26/10 9:36 AM, Tim wrote: > I think a few people missed where *I* said this happened to our *phone* > lines. But, nonetheless: > > Dave Ihnat: >>> I'll second that, with a caveat. If it's absolutely, positively >>> impossible to pull a new run, you *can* terminate with an 8P8C >>> ("RJ45")

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-27 Thread Tim
Peter Boy: >> Currently I use a wireless bridge, but the connection >> between the devices often breaks and it will take up to >> 15 minutes until they manage to reconnect. On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 02:07 -0800, S Mathias wrote: > have you ever tried on other frequency - channel? I'd second that su

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-27 Thread S Mathias
have you ever tried on other frequency - channel? --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Peter Boy wrote: > From: Peter Boy > Subject: Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 2:09 AM > Hi, > > there seem to

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-12-27 at 03:09 +0100, Peter Boy wrote: > Do I have a chance to successfully reuse an existing Cat 3 cable (8 > wires, installed about 1980 for the inhouse telefon system) I'd be very careful about trying to re-use phone wiring, no matter what category wiring it is. Unless you know th

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread Darr
On Sunday, 26 December, 2010 @16:36 zulu, Tim scribed: > Usually, it's just a galvanised iron guywire strung between > buildings, turnbuckles at each end, with the electric wires > strapped to it every couple of feet. For what it's worth, the support cable is called the "messenger." -- users ma

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread Peter Boy
Hi, there seem to be cable experts here so I beg your pardon for jumping in and would like to ask a question I'm considering for some time: Do I have a chance to successfully reuse an existing Cat 3 cable (8 wires, installed about 1980 for the inhouse telefon system) to bridge a gap of about 15

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:22:47 am James McKenzie did opine: > On 12/25/10 9:23 PM, Tim wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 12:51 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > >> Part of the trouble-shooting was making sure there weren't any > >> cabling issues, so the client brought out an electrician. Not only >

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread Tim
I think a few people missed where *I* said this happened to our *phone* lines. But, nonetheless: Dave Ihnat: >> I'll second that, with a caveat. If it's absolutely, positively >> impossible to pull a new run, you *can* terminate with an 8P8C >> ("RJ45") male on one end of the repair and female o

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/26/10 8:58 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 08:50:40AM -0700, James McKenzie wrote: >> Replace the ENTIRE run. NEVER splice, and I mean NEVER splice, LAN >> cabling. You might have crossover problems and you might not notice the >> loss in bandwidth until you hit 20MB+ connec

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 08:50:40AM -0700, James McKenzie wrote: > Replace the ENTIRE run. NEVER splice, and I mean NEVER splice, LAN > cabling. You might have crossover problems and you might not notice the > loss in bandwidth until you hit 20MB+ connection speeds and then things > get very 'i

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-26 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/25/10 9:23 PM, Tim wrote: > On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 12:51 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: >> Part of the trouble-shooting was making sure there weren't any cabling >> issues, so the client brought out an electrician. Not only weren't >> the colors on the cable standard, they were different at each end!

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 06:44 -0800, S Mathias wrote: > Q1) when cabling, is the color order important? For 100 meg LANs, it's probably not important. What's most important is that a twisted pair of wires connect a data pair, and the right pairs at each end. For 1 gig LANs, it may be. The pairs h

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 12:51 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > Part of the trouble-shooting was making sure there weren't any cabling > issues, so the client brought out an electrician. Not only weren't > the colors on the cable standard, they were different at each end! > Our only guess was that there was

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Mikkel
On 12/25/2010 02:51 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/25/2010 12:32 PM, Mikkel wrote: >> If you look at the cable, you will see that the wires are twisted in >> pairs. White-orange with orange, white-blue with blue, etc. For >> noise cancellation, it is important that you use pairs for each data >> path.

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/25/2010 12:32 PM, Mikkel wrote: > If you look at the cable, you will see that the wires are twisted in > pairs. White-orange with orange, white-blue with blue, etc. For > noise cancellation, it is important that you use pairs for each data > path. On a short cable, you can get away with out d

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Mikkel
On 12/25/2010 08:44 AM, S Mathias wrote: > Two questions that was not always clear for me [sorry for posting to this > list :\]: > > ## > > Q1) when cabling, is the color order important? like: > > strai

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread ka1ifq
Try a google search! http://www.google.com/images?q=network+cable+pinout&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en- US:official&client=firefox- a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=tUMWTbanHoKKlwfImfnZCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CCwQsAQwAQ&biw=1280&bih=804 > Two questions that was not alw

2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread S Mathias
Two questions that was not always clear for me [sorry for posting to this list :\]: ## Q1) when cabling, is the color order important? like: straight cabling: A side: white-orange, orange, white-green, b