Re: Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso: lame question

On 02/22/2013 12:01 PM, Maurizio Marini wrote: Hello please excuse very lame question, don't blame me :) I am downloading this iso: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux//releases/18/Live/x86_64/Fedora-18-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso that is 831 MB Well, how can it fit i

Re: Fedora 18 Xmodmap not detected on Login

On 02/20/2013 08:52 AM, Noah Cutler wrote: Ran across a couple of threads on this issue: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=287800 http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=287827 My compact keyboard has no windows key, so am assigning SUP_L to another key. I also have a tra

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 10:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: It's these "modally tiled UI" which do not meet my "menu-based/multi workspace" dominated office-workflow and lack of customizability of the DE. That's why neither Unity, Gnome 3 nor Cinnamon meet my demands. Ralf There's a problem with providing a

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 09:07 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: In which case it's not unconstrained FOSS development, which you have been using to justify the "you can have it in any colour as long as it's black" attitude. You can't have it both ways. Fedora/RH doesn't equal all of FOSS. Linux is obviously we

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 08:42 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Yet they are constrained by whatever filters down from Fedora. By the time it gets to the point of rolling a new EL release, it'd take too much resources to reverse the course set in Fedora. I've always assumed that the experimentation in Fedora is

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 08:26 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: How many other current distributions not based on Fedora actually use Gnome 3? I haven't checked because I have no interest in using Gnome 3, but it might be an interesting thing to look into before drawing any conclusions. That I can think of? Ope

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 08:15 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: And every system that gives the user a choice along the lines of "you can have any partitioning you want as long as it's the default one" is guaranteed to make a pigs ear of most installations, not least because of file system alignment issues (espe

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 07:01 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: And now you touch upon another important issue. This is more of a distro maintenance issue. It is also probably why Ubuntu maintainers pay more attention to such things - because their users are their _customers_. Without those, there's no revenue.

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/19/2013 02:12 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 16:24 -0500, jonc wrote: Not that it matters, and no one is paying me, here's why I'm using Gnome Shell on Fedora 18, after rejecting it previously: 1. It's fast and reliable. 2. I like the way it looks. I'll sto

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 10:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 07:32 PM, jonc wrote: Your tone seems to suggest you think developers owe something to users ("very, VERY justified criticism"). I don't think they do, and I don't think developers have any more reason to pay attenti

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 09:17 PM, David wrote: Some stayed here. With Fedora. I did, Some changed changed their DE. I moved to Fedora from several months with CentOS as a desktop. Eventually I wanted to do things its ageing core doesn't want to do. I'd tried every version of Gnome 3 since its release a

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, jonc issued this missive: On 02/18/2013 07:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I don't think you can take comments on lists or forums to represent the opinions and experience of average users. I rather think you can, since th

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:19 PM, Tom Horsley wrote But if you read some of the articles where the justifications for things like Gnome 3 have been presented, the developers are constantly talking about how they are doing it all for "typical users". The problem is that these typical users are all totally i

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 07:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 03:57 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: So your argument is that developers should focus on the feedback that is rare to the point of non-existence instead of the feedback that is arguable to be unreliable? Let me ask you two questions: first, shoul

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 06:57 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: So your argument is that developers should focus on the feedback that is rare to the point of non-existence instead of the feedback that is arguable to be unreliable? My argument is that regular, controlled, standardized user testing should be par

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: fine - but it is not fair to build a large user base over years and then thow all away and explain them "that is how you have to work from now on" Why is it not fair? What do developers have to lose if they annoy users? We users get a lot of good

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: ...the people who really do think that everybody should love Gnome 3 because they do are providing a disproportionate percentage of the comments on it... and that some of the Gnome 3 devs (being human) listen more to what they want to hear than to anyth

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 04:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: What, exactly, is the connection in FOSS that is supposed to make developers care what users think? because if they to not bother what users think they are also free to develop THEIR pet and state that it is only THEIR pet Seems to me that's pretty

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 12:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Nope, I think someone is paying a con-man to sucker the designers into producing the worst imaginable interface (it is the only theory I can come up with to adequately explain the result :-). More of a pied piper

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:49 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.02.2013 21:45, schrieb David: I see two paths here. 1) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b) You find one of the many other Desktops out there and use that. (c) You publicly state your dissatisfaction and move on 2) (a) You don't like Gnome 3. (b)

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 01:59 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/18/2013 03:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: In fact FOSS has no way to tell if the passionate advocates of nonsense like Gnome 3 are actually in the pay of evil corporate giants who want to see Linux destroyed and are deliberately inventing the worst possib

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 10:22 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: And what is the problem with not improving things that don't need improving? There needs to be a distinct line between maintaining a good, stable familiar product and going off on a tangent with experimental interfaces. The way most people see it, G

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 06:31 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:50:22 +1030 Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 15:22 -0500, jonc wrote: Still, FOSS has no reliable way to measure who likes what, or who uses what... Or who despises something, but still carries on using it, anyway. Nor can

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/18/2013 03:34 AM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-02-17 at 18:05 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Am going to look into thisas I want to "build" a server at home, and see what I can do with it.maybe some form of central information repository?..I'll think of something! Having a cen

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/17/2013 08:35 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Yes, CentOS, Scientific Linux and Oracle's Linux are all essentially EL recompiled and rebadged. Gordan Do they all "feed" from the same repositories? EGO II No. Each distribution maintains its own repositories. In most cases, the u

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/17/2013 05:27 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: Judging by your last statement am I to assume that CentOS is more "reliable" than Fedora?... EGO II I've had a few abrt messages and two instances of Gnome-Shell locking up in this F18 installation, which began as a Release Candidate

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/17/2013 04:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.02.2013 22:35, schrieb jonc: It's my understanding that Fedora's primary role is to evaluate and explore software for Red Hat, not necessarily to produce a stable consumer-level product. That's very much Ubuntu's mi

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/17/2013 03:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Fedora offers 9 versions http://spins.fedoraproject.org/ in addition to the mainline release, including KDE, XFCE, and LXDE. That's in addition to the availability of MATE and Cinnamon in the mainline release. these are not really 9 versions a s

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/17/2013 12:38 PM, Gordan Bobic wrote: I believe there is, in fact, a way to reasonably reliably gauge broader opinion. While Fedora doesn't seem to have the sort of a community that is prepared to fork or repackage the distribution at a moment's displeasure, Ubuntu does, and there are n

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/17/2013 06:35 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Funny you should say that. I am a refugee to KDE on non-RAM-limited machines specifically because I found Gnome 3 so utterly unusable when I first saw it that I cannot imagine myself ever trying it again. And I use XFCE on my ARM machines with limit

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/16/2013 06:56 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: On 15/02/2013 23:22, jonc wrote: On 02/15/2013 05:28 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: On 14/02/2013 23:26, Jim wrote: Fedora 18 Why for HEAVENS did they change the custom partitioning in F18 from the F17 and previous versions ? Is there a Tutorial for

Re: Custom Partition Fedora 18

On 02/15/2013 05:28 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: On 14/02/2013 23:26, Jim wrote: Fedora 18 Why for HEAVENS did they change the custom partitioning in F18 from the F17 and previous versions ? Is there a Tutorial for Custom Partitioning for Fedora 18 ? Perhaps in the documentation? This

Re: 3 questions about F18

On 02/10/2013 05:27 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: livna is since years dead http://rpm.livna.org/ is alive and well and still hosts libdvdcss Rahul And nothing else. We learn something every day. -- users mailing list users@list

Re: 3 questions about F18

On 02/10/2013 04:43 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.02.2013 22:23, schrieb Aaron Konstam: 1. Notification of updates occurs automatically, but the old Software Update application is missing. Where is it? "yum update" is and was always there Updates are also available via the Software app. Se

Re: 3 questions about F18

On 02/10/2013 04:43 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 10.02.2013 22:23, schrieb Aaron Konstam: 1. Notification of updates occurs automatically, but the old Software Update application is missing. Where is it? "yum update" is and was always there Updates are also available via the Software app. Se

Re: Thunderbird newbie

On 02/03/2013 12:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 03.02.2013 18:29, schrieb Timothy Murphy: In Linux, Click on Edit. I don't have an Edit option in my thunderbird toolbar because it is in the MENUBAR I don't see any menu on my thunderbird screen. I am running thunderbird-17.0.2-1.fc18.i686, i

Re: booting on Fedora 17/18 with basic video mode

On 01/30/2013 05:08 PM, Raf Roger wrote: i'm sad because nothing work with nvidia driver installation steps. here is what i did: 1st test: su yum update kernel\* selinux-policy\* reboot su yum --nogpgcheck install http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch

Re: booting on Fedora 17/18 with basic video mode

On 01/30/2013 02:41 PM, Raf Roger wrote: Hi, when i boot on Fedora CD/DVD (whatever it is as version 17/18) result of a blank screen. to be able to install i need to install with troubleshooting mode and "run in basic graphic mode" i have a nvida graphic card so i guess here is the problem.

Re: Lack of things in Gimp

On 01/29/2013 07:48 PM, Claude Jones wrote: On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote: see if this helps http://registry.gimp.org/ -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA No, is not helpful. The newest scripts it has are from 2009. I want it running in 2.8. This is the actual version on Fedora 18.

Re: Time/Date shell-thingy in F18

On 01/23/2013 07:02 PM, Lailah wrote: El lun, 21-01-2013 a las 09:00 +0100, William Murray escribió: Dear list, (What do we call the shell thingies which replaced applets?) Yes, it should be a better way. But is Gnome 3, it has very few options for everything. Maybe an extension

Re: Fedora Live CD Spins - Are They Safe?

On 01/23/2013 10:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/23/2013 06:50 PM, Temlakos wrote: Why does the method you linked to, recommend using the "su" method, that is, "becoming root" with every single command? Somebody wasn't thinking. If I'd have written that, I'd have specified using su first, fol