Disks in mainframe days had no onboard cache, and the O/S had to do all
that. Today that has been built into much cheaper disks. While there is
no mechanism to determine what is cached by the onboard disk memory and
what is not, there are situations where you need disk cacheing to be
disabled
On 2024-10-20 17:23, Barry wrote:
On 20 Oct 2024, at 13:53, John Mellor wrote:
I have an older Fedora 40 machine that I tried to install Fedora 41 on, and
got a surprise.
For a first attempt, I tried the as-documented dnf system-upgrade steps on a
fully working and stock Fedora 40. Upon
I have an older Fedora 40 machine that I tried to install Fedora 41 on,
and got a surprise.
For a first attempt, I tried the as-documented dnf system-upgrade steps
on a fully working and stock Fedora 40. Upon reboot to actually do the
install steps, a black screen is presented and everything
On 2024-07-26 8:25 a.m., Richard Shaw wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 6:29 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:15 PM Richard Shaw
wrote:
>
> I recently had the Fedora install on my laptop go sideways
(Ryzen 5 4500U w/ nvme disk).
>
> The filesystem was
With X being a completely unmaintainable mess, all new and bugfix
development stopped about 2 years ago. Most disturbing is that for the
last 2 years there have been essentially no security fixes as a result.
A couple of distros have done some critical bugfixes to try to keep the
dead horse a
Almost all NVMe drives use 4k sectors. Its actually hard on the drive
to use 512 byte sectors, as when you write a block and sync it, it has
to read and then rewrite the rest of the 4k block. That's unnecessary
writes, shortening your drive life. Most Linux platforms will read the
natural sec
On 2023-12-08 12:56 p.m., Tim Evans wrote:
Since tine immemorial (I first touched a UNIX system circa 1984), I
have used the venerable 'dump' utility to do automated full and
incremental backups to an NFS-mounted network storage appliance (NAS).
Now, with a brand new laptop, with fresh install
On 2023-12-05 22:59, home user wrote:
. . .
I almost always use Gnome with X, not wayland. Even the test I
reported in my previous post (in response to Richard) was KDE with X,
not wayland. Should thunderbird-wayland be installed and used by us X
users?
X is no longer maintained properly, a
On 2023-12-05 8:45 p.m., home user wrote:
(Fedora 38; home workstation; Thunderbird 115.5.0)
In early October, I upgraded from Fedora-37 to Fedora-38. Since then,
I've been consistently experiencing two types of misbehavior in
Thunderbird.
1. When I switch e-mail accounts or folders within
On 2023-09-25 09:39, George N. White III wrote:
On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 2:34 AM Dave Close wrote:
I wrote:
> I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode
> (old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the
> startx command. But I haven'
On 2023-09-15 2:07 p.m., Peter Boy wrote:
Am 15.09.2023 um 17:23 schrieb Bill Cunningham :
WHat is the reason Peter behind xfs being used on the server edition
and btrfs on the workstation? I pretty much stick with ext3. I don't
even use ext4 really. I've never used xfs.
It is basically about
On 2023-08-21 12:55, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 08/21/2023 07:03 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
This wasn't just some developer's idea... IIRC the request for this
change came from someone who sells systems with Linux pre-installed
(Lenovo?), because this is a requirement for meeting power
certifications needed
On 2023-07-30 17:39, Thomas Cameron via users wrote:
On 7/29/23 08:55, Tim Evans wrote:
Should have asked about this sooner, as it's something I've seen
since the very first F38 upgrade. Not sure if this is Fedora or
Thunderbird issue.
When Thunderbird opens, it does so postage-stamp size, wa
stress and stress-ng and the gui versions all do a pretty good job of
heating up the cpu, and a marginal job of finding memory issues.
However, the rest of the motherboard and disks get almost nothing.
On 2023-05-31 4:51 p.m., Geoffrey Leach wrote:
In anticipation of the arrival of a new syst
On 2023-05-04 12:11, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/4/23 05:53, John Mellor wrote:
On 2023-05-04 02:01, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 04/05/2023 12:48, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/3/23 21:07, Frederic Muller wrote:
Installed F38 about a week ago from scratch (wayland & GNOME).
When I launch Thunderbird
On 2023-05-04 02:01, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 04/05/2023 12:48, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/3/23 21:07, Frederic Muller wrote:
Installed F38 about a week ago from scratch (wayland & GNOME). When
I launch Thunderbird the first time at every session it starts as a
black screen except for the title
On 2023-05-01 1:05 p.m., Peter Boy wrote:
Am 01.05.2023 um 18:33 schrieb David Woodyard :
the server is what I need to install.
OK, o I guess Server will be the only Operating System on the device. And
because you ‚see‘ sda and sdb, you don’t have a hardware raid but use a
software raid.
Sec
On 2023-03-01 4:37 p.m., Peter Boy wrote:
Am 01.03.2023 um 21:45 schrieb John Mellor :
BTRFS is massively faster and safer than all other implementations other than
perhaps ZFS, is at least partially error compensating, does not demand
identical drives, and can be easily converted into
On 2023-03-01 3:01 p.m., Ranjan Maitra wrote:
I would like to RAID two of my disks, and I was wondering if the recommendation
is to do software or hardware RAID?
Don't even consider hardware RAID solutions that became out-of-favour 25
years ago. You can easily do it with LVM/MDR combinations,
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On 2023-02-24 12:20 p.m., Go Canes wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 9:31 AM John Mellor wrote:
1) When are we going to see removal of the EXT2 /boot partition? It is
no longer required, as the boot process has been able to
On 2023-02-24 12:46 p.m., GianPiero Puccioni wrote:
On 24/02/2023 15:31, John Mellor wrote:
Ok, I'm anticipating a firestorm of BS responses on this, but here goes
anyway.
We've now had BTRFS as the default filesystem for some time in Fedora.
However, there has been almost nothi
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023, 9:31 AM John Mellor wrote:
. . . (snipped)
1) When are we going to see removal of the EXT2 /boot partition? It is
no longer required, as the boot process has been able to use BTRFS
for
years now.
. . . (snipped)
On 2023-02-24 09:38, Bill C wrote
Ok, I'm anticipating a firestorm of BS responses on this, but here goes
anyway.
We've now had BTRFS as the default filesystem for some time in Fedora.
However, there has been almost nothing done to take advantage of its
capabilities. This leads to some obvious questions about future work:
sing virtualbox instead of a kvm
solution frontended by boxes or virtmanager?
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On 2022-11-29 09:41, Andreas Fournier wrote:
I'm wondering what would be best practice in how to backup the user
data from Firefox on a Fedora desktop? I'm thinking mostly about saved
logins and bookmarks and how it could be scheduled.
Any current version of Firefox has built-in "cloud" backup
ot ever set it systemwide in /etc, since (d) above
will bite you when you least expect it.
Just my 3 cents...
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directly into hundreds of times better reliability numbers.
Best of all, you do not need matching drives or drive sizes to implement
RAID-1. For a long time now, the only reason to run hardware RAID has
been underneath back-level versions of Windows or VMware.
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e bandwidth on my main wifi router.
As an aside, the driver for this automatic connection is just plain
broken, and can never connect to actually print anything. Deleting the
found printer and discovering it again always fixes the problem.
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Maybe you should order the failing fan from their parts list, and
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On 2022-04-14 23:05, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Thu Apr14'22 12:22:14PM, Go Canes wrote:
From: Go Canes
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:22:14 -0400
To: Community support for Fedora users
at was corrupted every other day,
and I finally threw the machine out because it was something on the
motherboard. Its cheaper to pick up a refurb machine at Staples or your
local computer store than it is to start swapping parts to identify the
real problem.
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dozen machines, and am still happy
with it. Its now my go-to email client across multiple platforms, even
(gasp!) Windows. Its heavyweight, but very capable.
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behaviour is to download the headers and not the bodies. You only
download the bodies on mails that you read, so unless you don't get any
spam or if you actually read every single message that you get, your
bandwidth usage will normally appreciably be
c. RAID rebuild
times with a controller are also generally so bad that you have
excellent odds that you will probably experience a second drive failure
while rebuilding with the drive sizes sold today.
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if you define it as btrfs.
Maybe its time to ask the stupid question: Why is not /var in its own
subvolume, and why does it not have a quota by default? That would
almost trivially resolve the issue of runaway logs making the system
unusable.
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tall Jenkins or CircleCI or any of a dozen tools that are built to do
this right.
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~10x faster than SSD and 100x faster than spinning disk. Unless
your system is so ancient and CPU-constrained that you are unable to
afford the relatively low compression costs, making use of all available
RAM at all times seems like a better move than stopping ZRAM swap.
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hogging all that memory. Do a top and sort by RSS and see
what the real problem app is.
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On 2022-01-11 12:30 p.m., Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The specs for my Lenovo x140e is 8GB, which I have and it seems to be
not enough.
$ free
total used free
he
email on the upstream host instead of the default download. With fast
networks today, it makes little sense to download every email.
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On 2021-11-29 10:44 a.m., Fulko Hew wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 10:01 AM Bob Marcan wrote:
Why we just don't buy any hardware which have Nvidia?
If they ignore us, we can do the same.
What is wrong with AMD video, except it works out of the box? :-)
Because there is no CUDA
thing, except more elegantly.
One thing that btrfs does NOT do only on Fedora at this time is fs
encryption, which is super useful on a laptop. I'm unsure why Fedora is
still using the clunky old encryption layer mechanism instead of the
builtin one.
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On 2021-10-22 07:58, Roger Heflin wrote:
run "systemd-analyze critical-chain home.mount" and it will show you
the requirements.
I would suspect something going wrong with the activation of the home lv.
On boot up do a "lvs" post th
On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs. This does
not make sense on multiple levels.
I was about to say the same thing, but:
$ dnf info llvm
...
Summary : Th
uot; got to do
with Fedora crashing? It sounds like you corrupted your machine or
broke some hardware more than anything else.
Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs. This does not
make sense on multiple levels.
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On 2021-10-16 12:03 p.m., Dorian ROSSE wrote:
I had installed llvm ask by the program clamav finaly i have a question :
Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?
??? Llvm is a compiler suite. How does that break any of your hardware?
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checks and tests (including benchmarking the drive). The work fine on
SSDs. Unless your drive is highly non-standard, that should do the same
thing as the Samsung app.
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On 2021-09-13 5:55 p.m., ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 9/13/21 6:31 AM, John Mellor wrote:
The reaction is so rare that "Everyone around these parts knows of
someone" is ridiculously impossible.
So I guess the customs that have called me and told
me they were in the hospital for a
only read selective
extreme newsgroups or are members of extremist groups spreadinig this
Russian disinformation.
"Is that true, or did you hear it on Fox News?"
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r. Given the extreme
minimization that you are attempting, make the machines diskless and put
everything in a RAMdisk for a big reliability improvement and a small
power and cost reduction. That seems like a much better way to do this.
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You do not need to do anything fancy at all with a Fedora USB install
media. Fedora comes with both UEFI and legacy boot mechanisms, so it
just works on all machines. Instead, you have a BIOS setting problem,
that is preventing you from seeing the USB key. Fix that, and
everything should jus
ti-user mode. You have to
set a root password just for this scenario in order to recover your machine.
Hopefully this little mess gets fixed in the upcoming F35 release.
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relief, but would seem to show that something in
the ACPI code is not checking for valid addresses. The newer ACPI
firmware is no longer providing bogus addresses, and the problem has
gone away -- something for the kernel people to think about and identify
On 2021-08-02 6:50 p.m., Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 02Aug2021 09:04, John Mellor wrote:
On 2021-08-01 7:08 p.m., Cameron Simpson wrote:
We've got a few unmanaged netgear switches here and have had some
weirdness ourselves. I have lossely discovered that having my Mac on
both ethernet and
d. Having the same MAC on two interfaces is
not legal, so you should expect to break something on any router or
machine that I can think of. If it works, then that router is broken.
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https://askbot.fedoraproject.org/ ?
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the root
filesystem to read-only is a very bad thing. Even if it is corrupt, you
need it to recover. It would probably be better to work like ZFS and
remount it using your nifty "usebackuproot" option, and get the machine
up so that you can figure out what was lost instead of keeping
On 2021-07-27 5:35 p.m., old sixpack13 wrote:
...
is your GPU from intel ?
if so:
- I get it too, sometimes while browsing with FF.
- Crtl+Alt+F3 to get a console (?) and do dmesg => ...GPU Crash dump ... GPU
hang...
+++ EDIT +++
I should have read the first thread again: it's an Intel GPU.
Y
On 2021-07-27 9:08 a.m., old sixpack13 wrote:
ping Chris Murphy, John Mellor
is this theme solved and if so, how
I ran the extended built-in BIOS diagnostics on this Lenovo P300 machine
again last week for half a day, and no faults were found. I also ran the
GTKstresstest and
On 2021-07-17 1:18 p.m., Joe Zeff wrote:
On 7/17/21 8:35 AM, John Mellor wrote:
What's wrong here? This is a fully up-to-date and stock F34 machine
with a good i5 processor, lots of RAM and a fast SSD, with a very
long and inexplicable time delay during boot. It appears to be idle
What's wrong here? This is a fully up-to-date and stock F34 machine
with a good i5 processor, lots of RAM and a fast SSD, with a very long
and inexplicable time delay during boot. It appears to be idle for 2
minutes during every startup, with no known cause. This machine used to
boot in 8 se
ction password has been set on the
remote machine. Enter it.
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sure about what I should do
That sounds like /usr/lib64/gtk-3.0/modules/libpk-gtk-module.so is not
in LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
Add it on the command line and run scilab from command line with it
added. Let's see if that resolves the issue.
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On 2021-06-05 6:13 p.m., Patrick Dupre wrote:
I planed to update a multiboot machine (all fedora 32)
. . .
You do realize that F32 is past its EOL date and is unsupported now, right?
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to unacceptable data loss. I did an offline
btrfs check on my F33 machine that left the machine unbootable, so its
probably not an option either. I'm stuck at this point. Should I just
stop using the default BTRFS filesystem and go back to ext4?
Help appr
On 2021-05-19 5:52 p.m., Anca, Tibor wrote:
I'm using Fedora 34. For some services I need to connect to my corporate
VPN (Cysco). I use openconnect with NetworkManager, which connects fine
to the vpn server. But there is a weird problem and I can not figure
out, where to change something.
If I
On 2021-05-19 12:23 p.m., Dave Ihnat wrote:
On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote:
Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability.
Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December;
lessee...here's an article:
https://talesfromthedatacenter.com/2020/12/centos-an
ng in that crud that can mess up your machine.
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Kudos to the Fedora 34 and Gnome teams!!!
My Lenovo Thinkpad T500 runs Linux very well. Its a beat-up,
12-year-old, well-equipped dual-core laptop with 8GB ram, a Core2 Duo
cpu with an AMD Rv635 gpu. Its a good machine for meetings, as it is
quite rugged and mostly survives being dropped, co
With Fedora being intended as a desktop platform, why are these settings
not the default?
The highest priority for a desktop system is to keep the user experience
flowing smoothly, not to maximize disk i/o rates.
Can this be fixed in time for F34? Do we need a bug report?
On 3/23/21 2:26 P
going to appreciate that your use of BTRFS
or ZFS will at least prevent disk corruption in this situation. Note
that the drive cost is not related to the answer, as e.g. expensive
Samsung EVO drives are known to have this issue.
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esolve the extents problem.Single-threading the logrotate
seems like a good idea as well.
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n and reliable. Manual
rebooting seems to get past this.
It feels like something is incorrectly asynch in the update mechanism
that leaves /boot in a weird state. Maybe with different machine
timing, your bug has the same root cause...
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For interests sake, how come the new packages were promoted and their
unpromoted dependencies were not? Isn't that a serious promotion
mechanism failure?
Just asking, as a build/release practitioner with 45 years of release
experience.
On 2021-01-08 4:57 p.m., linux guy wrote:
I've got the
Is there a Fedora doc coming out with all this btrfs minutia? Its great
stuff, but without the doc its also a college-level course in how to do
things the right way. In the heat of the moment, this missing doc would
be ultra-handy.
On 2021-01-05 1:30 p.m., Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, Jan 5,
addresses upstream, giving you the
NAT-like isolation that you desire.
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On 2020-12-29 8:53 a.m., Neal Becker wrote:
Let me say up front I'm not very knowledgeable about v6 yet. One
reason I don't want to enable it is the exact flip side of the address
scarcity of v4.
port-scanning attempts/day, and now I go weeks without an
intrusion-detection hit. I don't think the bad guys have figured out
how to attack IPv6 addresses yet.
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ure that
they are the same for the user(s) that you want to have common on the
two machines.
3. The selinux policy for the home disk had better be pretty much the
same for the two machines. Any differences between the capabilities on
disk will produce strange blo
On 2020-12-06 9:21 p.m., Earl Ramirez wrote:
After performing a few clean install I continue to experience poor read
. Initially I installed with BTRFS with RAID1 and after a few minutes I
started experiencing delays when I use any application and try to open
an existing file. For example, if I
Gnome bugzilla is absolutely useless, as nobody is doing any bugfixes.
I don't think that a single one of my bugs has been resolved ever since
Fedora started using Gnome. Its a very strong indication of a broken
system, and probably a very broken development organization.
So, maybe moving to
ainst on-disk
corruption (bit rot), both ZFS and BTRFS will also correct it on the
next read of that data if you are running the filesystem in one of the
RAID-z configurations (multiple copies stored), or upon running a
filesystem integrity check.
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On 2020-10-14 3:18 p.m., Andrew J. Caines wrote:
Anyone have a favorite GUI that will give me accurate CPU usage?
Use gkrellm. Its in the repo, small, stable and accurate. It can also
give you dynamic network, disk, fan and temp readouts for everything,
including your GPU. Best of all, it do
On 2020-07-03 7:18 a.m., Patrick Dupre wrote:
I wish to install a list of packages from a list.
What is the best option?
Assuming that you are working from CLI, how about:
$ sudo xargs dnf install https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/
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an SSD
will outlast both the machine and you. Or is the machine so overloaded
that you need more than max RAM?
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On 2020-05-14 8:08 a.m., Richard Hughes wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 13:28, John Mellor wrote:
That just stumps me. How can Vim possibly be an update requiring a
system reboot?
All package updates are scheduled for offline installation. There's no
safe way to update packages at ru
tem reboot?
So, is there a problem in the dependencies lists of the packages, or is
it a bug in the Gnome updater app?
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, and therefore have
the kernel upgrade bug.
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On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:41 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/12/20 5:15 AM, John Mellor wrote:
> > On 2020-05-09 5:53 p.m., Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> On 2020-05-09 21:01, John Mellor wrote:
> >>> Now I need to wait for
On 2020-05-09 5:53 p.m., Ed Greshko wrote:
On 2020-05-09 21:01, John Mellor wrote:
Now I need to wait for the next kernel upgrade, and see if that change fixes my
crash/panic issue.
Of course you could boot to the previous kernel, remove the latest one, reboot
again to the previous
kernel
dered) says you have a
journal, after the umount+above tune2fs+remount the data=ordered will
be gone.
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:53 AM John Mellor wrote:
Interesting! This machine does reboot in about 5secs and the other
machines take longer, so it makes sense. My /boot is mounted just like
ter the umount+above tune2fs+remount the data=ordered will
be gone.
Interesting. I have a box which have been running for years with
/dev/sdb1 /boot ext4
rw,seclabel,noatime,barrier=1,stripe=32,data=ordered,discard 0 0
and so far never borked on me.
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:53 A
a reliable solution.There were some
detailed posts on this several years ago with reliable commenters
confirming the behavior. I have also personally seen the issue a
number of times and mount /boot and/or fscking corrects it (replays
journal).
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:52 AM John Mellor wrote:
em. I dug around in the fedora bugs, but not knowing what to look
for, I'm basically blind. Its a pretty serious bug, especially if the
machine is remote. Does anyone have a way out of this?
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On 2020-04-15 7:52 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 4/15/20 4:40 PM, John Mellor wrote:
On 2020-04-15 16:13, José Abílio Matos wrote:
> . . .
> The only profile he has it Firefox. I do not think he even has
any docs or pictures, but I will check.
Firefox can be tricky to restore, as i
stored to a thumbdrive.
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The fingerprint reader is probably useless, as the proprietary library is
only developed for Windows. Support in Linux is very poor.
I'm not sure why you want TPM, as its another insecurity pathway designed
by Intel. `nuff said, just disable it.
How much does this beast weigh? I'd bet it weighs
In this extended period of Covid-19 isolation, is there a
videoconference package available?
Hosted systems like Zoom are not opensource, do not use a browser as a
client, feed connection data to Facebook, only allow 2 participants for
free, and not available for a local install.
I thought o
On 2020-03-26 3:26 p.m., bruce wrote:
Hi.
thinking of a new laptop
base specs
at least 4 core
at least 8-12G with ability to expand to 16/32
1TB
and SSD would be ok
bluetooth
17"
usb/hdmi of course
i'd prefer new, as opposed to used
and of course as cheap as possible
thoughts/comments
I'm
slots are probably getting too hot.
If this is a custom build as stated, are you using a big enough cooler,
or one for a less-hungry processor?
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On 2020-03-19 7:53 a.m., George N. White III wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 00:58, home user <mailto:mattis...@comcast.net>&
Arctic Silver interface goop?
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John Mellor
On 2020-03-17 4:13 p.m., home user wrote:
(On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 06:17, George wrote)
> You need to rule out hardware.
Impossible.
Good testing can make a really good case that it's not the hardware
(nor the driver).
Complete testing, 100
"home user" asked:
> How do I rescue the rescue mode?
I think the root cause of the problem is that you have upgraded multiple
times, and somewhere along the way (maybe around the F25 timeframe), the
management of the rescue image and its grub entry got lost by the release
and testing teams, and
Question for the repo managers,
Why do I sometimes see invalid checksums for drpm downloads? E.g: This
excerpt from the update this morning:
/var/cache/dnf/updates-7fc4c739b3909d9f/packages/selinux-policy-targeted-3.14.4-46.fc31_3.14.4-47.fc31.noarch.drpm:
md5 mismatch of resultSome pac
speed.
Of course, this will not work if you're trying to measure the oven or
outside temperature for instance.
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John Mellor
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