Re: cpu scaling

2012-06-14 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/13/2012 03:27 PM, Matej Kosik wrote: Hello, On Fedora 16, CPU scaling works fine for me. From this I assume you're now using F17 as you seem to suggest it doesn't work fine anymore, but I believe everything holds for F16 as well. On Debian, I was able to determine minimal/maximal fre

Re: Checking which application is taking bandwidth

2012-06-14 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/14/2012 09:16 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't "ss -p" essentially the same as the older "netstat -anp"? net-tools (including netcat) are somewhat deprecated in favor of iproute2 programs (which include ss as a netcat replacement) in some circles. -- t -- us

Re: What's wrong with this /etc/fstab ?

2012-06-05 Thread Thibault Nélis
Maybe try ntfs-3g? I'm not really up-to-date on what's the default NTFS driver now, but I know this used to be some kind of mess. # mount -t ntfs-3g Options[0] may be different. [0] http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-manual/ -- t -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To u

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-05 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/05/2012 01:29 PM, Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 06:47:24 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: Don't worry about. Microsoft will make sure that the OEM knows exactly how to implement the ability to install keys for other operating systems. They seem quite averse to that actually. UEFI its

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-05 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/05/2012 12:46 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Thibault Nélis writes: Supposing your OEM isn't abusing his powers and respects Microsoft's requirements if it's an x86 platform, you should be able to add your own key in the firmware, which will be used to verify the boot loader

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-05 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/05/2012 08:02 AM, JD wrote: So, will there be a document that will accompany the ISO, advising the user what key to insert into the firmware so that the firmware will be able to authenticate the boot loader? I don't know if this has been discussed somewhere at Fedora, but I would assume

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/05/2012 05:20 AM, JD wrote: Well, I was thinking of distros. Since I will not be the creator of the Linux ISO which I will be downloading and burning onto a DVD, how can I create those keys and insert them into the DVD without going through the whole rigmarole of building the OS and the who

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/05/2012 04:47 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:06:24 -0700 JD wrote: On 06/04/2012 05:03 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: This has been explained in this thread before. It is logically impossible to have a so-called "secure-boot" for both a free OS and a non-free OS on the same

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/05/2012 05:10 AM, JD wrote: I wonder if China will go along with the MS plans! Much of our HW is made in China. What's to prevent China from inserting back door code in the HW? I mean that would totally make secure boot a laughable thing. Well this scheme where the manufacturer inserts a

Re: Fedora 15 versus 17, files missing on the same filesystem

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
Okay, so just to be clear, you mean that you have *not* copied files from a f15 filesystem to a new f17 system, but actually have copied files (with a file manager, GNOME Nautilus) from an external system to a unique filesystem that is used by both f15 and f17 that you dual-boot on the same dis

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/04/2012 12:22 PM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: -Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of JD So, if all the linux distros put their "heads" together and create a single Linux signature authority, which w

Re: ucview

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 12:37 PM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, Bonjour! I installed ucview to record images from a webcam. It stops recording after 2,2 GB. At 2,147,483,647 exactly? That looks like a classic 32-bit signed integer overflow. Is that the normal behaviour? If that's what it

Re: proposal to Fedora/Redhat for fedora 18

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 07:11 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: Changing it in the UEFI interface before boot sounds much more reasonable, A post in the other thread suggests that I might be wrong BTW, or at least that it would depend on the vendor. but please don't call me "Shirley." Roger, roger. -- t -- users

Re: puldeaudio cpu load

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
I'd say Flash doesn't have a great reputation (I assume plugin-container is running Flash here) and that's one the reasons why. I also have a constant load even when the video is paused, in the order of 0.7-1.3%. About PulseAudio though.. it's definitely not normal (at least I don't see that

Re: How to know what is the device corresponding to a certain external disk?

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
Also, maybe this would suffice to identify them, in case you can't install the package: $ ls -l /dev/disk/by-{id,label} -- t -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: htt

Re: Secure Boot UEFI (ARM)

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
Coreboot / TianoCore is indeed the way to go. Presentation from earlier this year (just Coreboot), for the interested: http://video.fosdem.org/2012/maintracks/janson/Coreboot.webm -- t -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

Re: Fedora 15 versus 17, files missing on the same filesystem

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
Did you copy the data at the filesystem level or at the volume level? (In other words, did you copy the files themselves or the whole volume/partition block by block?) In the former case, I wouldn't worry too much, it might just be the result of the natural defragmentation of your files. To r

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 07:24 PM, JD wrote: On 06/02/2012 10:08 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: I sure do! The only PC's I've ever owned that were pre-built were laptops. I'm not a hardware geek, but one of my friends is, and when it's time to upgrade, we get together, buy parts and he puts them together. I pay him w

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-04 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 10:19 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: But I thought that this was the plan of action, isn't it? Sign a shim that boots Fedora. Presto, secured boot, with Microsoft's blessing. So, did you just change your mind, and realize that: 1) It makes no sense, and 2) Microsoft is not going to s

Re: proposal to Fedora/Redhat for fedora 18

2012-06-02 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 05:50 PM, Steve Dowe wrote: Does anyone know if the signed bootloader must be executed first before Secure Book can be disabled? Or would one just enter a BIOS-like config screen before any disc activity and disable it? Surely you can access the UEFI firmware interface before the

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-02 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 04:34 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Well the math doesn't compute here, it's cryptographically impossible. I mean you could sign a shim that won't verify the integrity of the boot There you go. Look I can't really go on on that. You seem to imply that this is a bad thing. I simp

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-02 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 04:28 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Yes, all five of them. Point taken. [0] Yes, I found it, it was there all along, I guess I didn't look hard enough (or didn't listen properly): http://download.microsoft.com/download/A/D/F/ADF5BEDE-C0FB-4CC0-A3E1-B38093F50BA1/windows8-hardware-ce

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 01:26 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: [snip] I repeat: this is NOT going to happen. If you allow an open operating system to boot, as a trusted boot, then "trusted boot" ceases all meaning whatsoever for a non-free OS that requires a signed chain from the hardware. And I won't even start

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 12:47 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Who exactly is outraged right now? A bunch of geeks on a mailing list? So what? Who cares? Again, people have won cases to get their money back over the license of preinstalled Windows copies because they use alternative OSes. Secure boot is way

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/02/2012 12:20 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: They won't have a choice. Microsoft will require that all hardware an OEM makes must be signed by their key, or none at all. Hardware OEMs will have to choose whether their entire product line will only support a Microsoft OS, or all other OSes. No c

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 04:45 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Or is the ext4 code able to mount ext3 now (I didn't think so)? I'm pretty sure it is fully backward compatible yes, even with ext2 from what I read. It simply doesn't use all the new and fancy features obviously. -- t -- users mailing list user

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 02:33 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Because that makes the entire concept of a trusted boot, into a trusted operating system, moot. They are not that dumb. This will enable a piece of PC hardware to boot an operating system, then run virus code that boots Windows' bootloader, infecti

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 02:40 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: they can't possibly review all the software that could follow the boot loader down the chain, They won't have to. Once they have a signing key that boots their current Windows OS, they have no further need for a certification process. What value ad

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 02:27 PM, William Brown wrote: The problem with this scheme is that a "trusted" os would in theory, with the users permission be able to some how update the trusted key repository on the firmware. Which means the security of your machine is as good as the security of your firmware /

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:05 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Just last week, installing the kernel 3.3.7 update made the ACPI backlight intensity adjustment keys on my Thinkpad work, for the first time. Unti now, they never worked. I never bothered to complain. I figure that, sooner or later, the kernel will

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: If, all of a sudden, another bootloader gets pushed into Fedora, only a year or so after all the headache and pain of migrating from grub 1 to grub 2, then this will validate our collective take on the subject. With the ability to manage your keys,

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Who gets to make a call what is "trusted", and what even "trusted" means. Can I recompile my own kernel, sprinkle some magic dust over it, and make "trusted", without involving any other party? Yes, you can sign it yourself, with your own key. A

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:11 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: You are assuming that Microsoft will sign a bootloader with such functionality. I would not take that bet. The plan is to make them sign a shim boot loader, which essentially delegates the trust down to Fedora entirely, because they have no cont

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 09:46 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Out of support releases are also an interesting problem. If a hole is found they need to revoke the key. If they do that the users machine is crippled. It's potentially a criminal matter in many EU states as well so whoever issues the revocation could end u

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 09:15 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Now a signed bootloader has its uses, however in a properly designed system you would allow the user to import their own keys. If it goes banana, I'm pretty confident this will be required by law in most sane countries. There are good organizations of a

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
NOTE/PS Yes, I was brave and did read myself back (now I feel pain for you). Doing that, I realized we badly need a very visible FAQ somewhere. Does it exist already? Can we point people to it? Should we write it? Anyway, here goes: On 06/01/2012 05:34 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: positiv

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 05:09 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: I tend to encourage people to pick ext4 over ext3 on modern hardware and software. Aside from some clear performance wins for not-that-uncommon workloads (deleting lots of large files, storing large images etc) there's the fact that most of the atten

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora [Long]

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 02:38 PM, Alan Cox wrote: It's of course all a bit of a joke because it's then a simple matter of using virtualisation to fake the "secure" environment and running the "secure" OS in that 8) The distributions can review the hypervisor code (then sign it as a symbol of trust) and

Re: Bandwidth Monitor for GNOME

2012-05-31 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/31/2012 09:41 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor wrote: Just to see the speed and which app is taking the BW If you want to see statistics per-process, you can use `nethogs' for example. -- t -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http

Re: uuidd fails to start

2012-05-29 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 05/29/2012 06:21 PM, JD wrote: I am not running anything that I KNOW to require uuidd. I simply wanted to make sure that if there are other daemons or apps that need it, will be able to use it. You could try $ rpm -q --whatrequires uuidd -- t -- users mailing list users@lists.fedora