x27;s offered, this is just Argument By
> Assertion and can be dismissed as FUD.
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> like better.
So I would go for both one by one and see. First, say most of the
people say, KDE would be easier (for those who are novices in Linux),
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l each appeal to different groups of
> users that come to Linux from different GUI families.
Now it is very clear that I should go for KDE as I have come from
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ut not I am. I have to use
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A very basic thing I would like to ask if KDE is more user friendly
then GNOME desktop?
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mething new, might be becoz I am not from the IT field. I like
Fedora but once installed, was trying to see the things in one version
only! But if I install F14, would it be okay for my hardware which is
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ded by rpmfusion-free-release-12-3.noarch
but while installing rpm fusion, saying error!
Many people are using the older versions too, like FC9, or FC10 and I am
using FC11, but then how could be installed the VLC media player?
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But as it is a part of Fedora too, (not necessarily proven as by you), we
should see if it could be resolved or not rather with a different
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#x27;t know if it is but when I do the same in Windows XP or Vista, there
comes no problem and no error message of java which is coming in Fedora!
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Open JDK gets installed but some websites makes use of only Sun java, as
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either of the site:
http://www.pogo.com/games/chess
http://games.yahoo.com/ch
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so that while editing grub through remote place, it is at all not possible
without entering the password because the password --md5 line is above the
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this comment doesn't serve to prolong it any
> further, but I felt it had to be said.
>
> poc
But it is really strange that you are claiming this now when almost I got
all the suggestion from many members! I hope and guess you might have not
checked at that time when I asked the query!!
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Tim wrote:
Tim:
> >> Not quite, here it is:
> >> http://i55.tinypic.com/2whp10j.jpg
> >
> Parshwa Murdia:
> > Great.
>
> Did you actually read the card?
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Think of the time you initiated learning or watching out about the
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Hot quite, here it is:
> http://i55.tinypic.com/2whp10j.jpg
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but I had a prior
> edition and it was very good. It is available from Amazon, but is very
> expensive (USD 46).
>
> James McKenzie
Yes, but I got the link to that book of K&R.
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I wonder if kids will build their own MP3 players, the way we built a
> crystal radio set? ;-)
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Punch Card
>
>
>
> Hollerith code
>
>
> hehe
>
> Marvin
>
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> that you soon give up on trying to do anything good with it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
There are C++ implementations where C++ is processed to C but the
> language it self can have a compiler that does not use C.
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Most people who think they understand C++ will be humbled by listening
> to its developer explain how it can be used.
>
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I don't agree. No beginning programmer ( I mean one who has never
> programmed before) will learn C from K&R. Or at least I this it will be
> very difficult.
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Unless Java has changed a lot, how to you explain to a beginning
> programmer the contortions you have to go through to do I/O in Java?
>
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gt; it. BTW, both Dan and Jerry also cut their teeth on the 1620.
>
One thing I have seen is that everyone has at some stage of his life used or
learned Fortran in any way, that I saw for sure.
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This is also nice.
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> subroutine and function package to be used in other FORTRAN programs so
> we couldn't use Dan's favorite language, PL/1. Those of you who think
> you can't do things like that in FORTRAN would do well to ponder the
> fact that Jerry Pournelle has called Dan "the san
at that time and that Sun
> Microsystems wasn't behind it as they were with Java.
>
> Anyway, that's my contribution to the discussion.
>
> (donning my flak jacket and flame-retardant suit for the inevitable
> missiles that will be hurled in my direction)
onment.
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p a bug-free code..
> A lot of people still use Fortran (>= 90) for new codes as well,
> though..
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:37 PM, les wrote:
VERY well said. Thank you Jerry!
>
> Regards,
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>
Yes.
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On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
I also don't like to get into discussions about what is
> the best language.
But you only told all this about C++!!
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A properly optimized simple C++ program should be able to perform as well
> as C.
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ally use hex. I would expect that some of the new processors have
> some form of virtualization manager. Can you see Intel chips with a
> VMWare supervisor and AMD chips with a Microsoft Hyper V.
>
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:09 PM, les wrote:
Since C++ is a preprocessor to C, how does it run circles around C?
> Just asking.
>
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>
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for the cores and then a new partitioning of the
> instruction word, and I expect a new notation, probably 64 base of some
> kind, because it will reflect the new reality of the core processors and
> their inherent capabilities.
>
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'Inside a progra
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
"C Programming: A Modern Approach" by King as it was a simpler book.
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I guess the better could be the same by K&R!
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e was no way to get user input, but then they put it in
> there :(, It supposed runs on more platforms than the others(C++, C, pascal,
> basic, cobol, fortran, ..., etc)
> >
> Java has the equivalent buried in packages.
>
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to write my code with an emphasis on readability and
> correctness. Once the code is working, I can run a performance analysis
> to see the places in the code things are slowing down.
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'Inside a program talk'!
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way to get user input, but then they put it in
> there :(, It supposed runs on more platforms than the others(C++, C, pascal,
> basic, cobol, fortran, ..., etc)
>
> But it now has Oracle in charge of it :(, what will happen to it?
>
> Regards,
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> Antonio
Too much languages!
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:50 PM, David Liguori wrote:
I don't know about the Fortran or Java (which is not,
> strictly speaking, a "compiled" language).
>
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ternal Golden Braid".
>
It is the name of the book?
> The books by Deitel and Deitel probably have everything you need to know.
>
But what is the name of the book? Is it something like 'Programing in C'
(e.g., one excellent book by K&R)!
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low.
> C++ and java with their fixed types will usually be faster.
>
> The availablilty of useful additives is another
> reason for not necessarily using the default.
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You can say this because you might be knowing both the languages.
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Books like K&R second edition are written in a more understandable format.
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, James Mckenzie wrote:
Wikipedia has an article on the ANSI C standards.
>
> James McKenzie
>
Wikipedia is the father of articles, it would be having articles on all the
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deny that C++ would be the most vast language.
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e C++ that was essentially C with a few C++ isms. I like C++,
> but not as a person's first computer language.
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Yes, but Python could be that first language.
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:01 PM, James Mckenzie
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It is the 'bible' for programming in C and discusses everything in the
> language. You can also find the ANSI/ISO standards as well on the Internet
> (for free).
>
Can you give me the link for it in internet.
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any OO
> programming language.
>
> James McKenzie
I guess you are or have been working on Java and I know no programing
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programming language should
> really be decided by the type of applications you intend to create, and
> the target platforms. Especially if you're starting from scratch and
> wish to create any application in a reasonable time period.
>
> Regards
>
> cpp4ever
>
Correct.
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Matt Smith wrote:
Can we please get c++ involved in the discussion, it runs circles
> around C on all levels..
>
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>
> James McKenzie
Some truly told, "majority of the most useful technology is free now a
days". But I was aware of only open source, but now include that book too,
if it is really of very low cost, :)-.
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> James McKenzie
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Cool.
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knowing almost all the facts related with the computer, if I am not wrong.
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ly understand computer logic, an interesting approach
> is to build a computer using plugboard parts. Remember, everything in a
> computer is binary not decimal, not octal (3 bit representation of
> binary), not hexadecimal (4 bit representation).
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ill give you some hints and tricks about uncovering
> the programming process.
Please do that, I would love that. It is a fact that I get less time to do
this all but I would, as it is of interest and a really cool.
> If I happen to steer you wrong, I am sure
> there are lots of peop
includes additives suited to system administration.
> System maintenance probably means learning perl to deal with existing code.
> I've not learned perl.
>
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>
Oh yes, the correct sequence. But I think (suggestions and reading) the
clear and the plain syntax is of
s.
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> James McKenzie
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people learned
> very well and another group really hated it.
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On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Bob Marcan wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithms_%2B_Data_Structures_%3D_Programs
>
> BR, Bob
Nice book Bob.
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> really a good idea. DNS and mail serving are two of them.
>
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ing converted into a
sting of '0' and '1' which only the computer understands and transmits
through wire (as an EM wave). So at times, and it is the high time, that
despite of the fact I get very less time, this technology has become a
driving force for me that it makes me to th
Parshwa intimates, pointers is an advanced topic and
> requires a lot of understanding, and is not a good concept to start on.
>
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>
Yes, because I saw the book and Pointers was mentioned at the end of the
book before which it covers a lot of, a lot of useful stuff, whic
Parshwa intimates, pointers is an advanced topic and
> requires a lot of understanding, and is not a good concept to start on.
>
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>
Yes, because I saw the book and Pointers was mentioned at the end of the
book before which it covers a lot of, a lot of useful stuff, whic
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Robert Myers wrote:
Information about Linux gets out of date so fast that I have taken to
> adding 2008 OR 2009 OR 2010 to all my Google queries about Linux. The
> problem is not confined to Fedora.
>
> Robert.
Oh I see.
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7;t know the fact of online usage and
manuals and still is with me). But the book is of Fedora 10 and I assume
(NOT SURE) that almost all the major things would remain same, in case if
ever I read that.
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ms which I discussed too
but the main thing is that I get less time to work on Fedora (which is apart
from my job) but still I like this world of Fedora, yes always evolving!
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> Fedora release. For F11 you can read it here:
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/11/html/Release_Notes/index.html
> HTH
> Hiisi
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Okay, I see.
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Hiisi wrote:
su, 2010-12-19 kello 15:44 +0530, Parshwa Murdia kirjoitti:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is a very simple query, please could one elaborate the main
> > points of alterations between the Fedora Core 10 and Fedora Core 11,
> > a
Hi,
Here is a very simple query, please could one elaborate the main points of
alterations between the Fedora Core 10 and Fedora Core 11, as I am going to
install Fedora 10 (due to some reasons), I am having 2 GB of RAM and 100 GB
Hard disk space.
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ituations!
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my opinion. Maybe I am out to lunch, but has anyone seen any
> language that didn't access memory?
>
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That's nice, but starting with the pointers is not good, I guess and hope as
to learn pointeers, the things prior to pointers should be well gras
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Depends on how you mean this.
>
> "C" is not the "best programming language", but it's a good choice as means
> to learn.
>
> Ralf
>
Yeah, that's what i meant a good choice!
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t;); being able to
> write simple pipelines and shell control structures (for loops, file
> patterns etc) is very useful.
>
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So Python is really good and I was not wrong! But people suggested me C are
not wrong as C is more close to the metal and the ma
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 2:25 AM, James Mckenzie
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> Thank you for the pointer. This will go on the low priority 'to do' list.
>
Probably, after having grasped the basics.
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serial IO library and a GUI library.
> Without them, I might have chosen differently.
> Perl is noted for having lots of additives available.
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Yes, C is a rich and old language but Python is not that bad, but I know
perl is replacing that.
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bash than I used to.
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Yes, C is more close to the machine (meta;, as someone quoted earlier) and
is the fundamental language.
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> for
> them. I never found Ada to be the best tool for anything, although I wrote
> about
> 5k lines of it one year because a contract required it. Who better than a
> political science major with an MBA to pick programming languages?
>
> Good luck.
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