Re: upgrading to fedora 34

2021-05-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 20/05/2021 13:36, Angelo Moreschini wrote: thank you Andras, The answer is : _**_ seems the upgrading didn't work ... -- I used automatic upgrading for get Fedora 30, 31 and Fedora 32.. , In these cas I simply pushed the , that is down the label ... --- For upgrading to Fedora 

Re: upgrading to fedora 34

2021-05-19 Thread Angelo Moreschini
thank you Andras, The answer is : ** seems the upgrading didn't work ... -- I used automatic upgrading for get Fedora 30, 31 and Fedora 32.. , In these cas I simply pushed the , that is down the label ... --- For upgrading to Fedora 34 that is no good (why ?). Can you suggest to me

Re: Strange VPN behaviour

2021-05-19 Thread Kevin Becker
> On May 19, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Anca, Tibor wrote: > > > I i use openconnect (which I prefer, because it keeps my network printer > available), it doenst do almost anything with resolve.conf. It only adds > a search entry, no dns, nothing. In this case I have to enter the ip > address of the ser

Re: Strange VPN behaviour

2021-05-19 Thread Ed Greshko
On 20/05/2021 07:22, Anca, Tibor wrote: Am Mittwoch, dem 19.05.2021 um 15:20 -0700 schrieb Samuel Sieb: Is there any indication in logs that openconnect is getting DNS info? you can add the DNS info.  I think systemd-resolved is supposed to be should get all requests. Where do I see those logs?

Re: Strange VPN behaviour

2021-05-19 Thread John Mellor
On 2021-05-19 5:52 p.m., Anca, Tibor wrote: I'm using Fedora 34. For some services I need to connect to my corporate VPN (Cysco). I use openconnect with NetworkManager, which connects fine to the vpn server. But there is a weird problem and I can not figure out, where to change something. If I

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 5/19/21 4:48 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: I know there's a lot of worry, but this particular one doesn't really make sense. All changes going into CentOS Stream are accepted for inclusion in an upcoming minor release of RHEL. You get those updates sooner rather than later, but the net result is t

Re: Strange VPN behaviour

2021-05-19 Thread Anca, Tibor
Am Mittwoch, dem 19.05.2021 um 15:20 -0700 schrieb Samuel Sieb: > Is there any indication in logs that openconnect is getting DNS info? > you can add the DNS info.  I think systemd-resolved is supposed to be > should get all requests. Where do I see those logs? If I run systemctl status systemd-

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread David
I am not qualified to answer your question, but I will throw in some vague opinions. You probably do not want to be updating your system and packages every week. Some packages you may want to never update: systemd, mesa, glibc, kernel, plymouth, firefox.You might not want wayland, pipewire

Re: Strange VPN behaviour

2021-05-19 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-05-19 2:52 p.m., Anca, Tibor wrote: I'm using Fedora 34. For some services I need to connect to my corporate VPN (Cysco). I use openconnect with NetworkManager, which connects fine to the vpn server. But there is a weird problem and I can not figure out, where to change something. If I u

Strange VPN behaviour

2021-05-19 Thread Anca, Tibor
Hello, I'm using Fedora 34. For some services I need to connect to my corporate VPN (Cysco). I use openconnect with NetworkManager, which connects fine to the vpn server. But there is a weird problem and I can not figure out, where to change something. If I use the AnyConnect-Client, the client c

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:29:31PM -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: > Those who want CentOS are a different type of user than Fedora. They have > production machines for which LTS stability is far more important than > latest'n'greatest. THAT is dropped--you're likely to have to do a big-bang > refresh o

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Bill Oliver
On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:52 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 5/19/21 9:58 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: > > The CentOS developers seem to be moving to a new workalike called > > Rocky > > Linux: > > Rocky Linux was created by a former CentOS developer (one of the > founders). However, I'm not aware of

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 5/19/21 11:07 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 5/19/21 6:06 PM, bruce wrote: Hi. In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform. So, looking at a blank slate to figure out what version of OS  should have on the "work" laptop. Project work will be on the laptop as well as cloud VM.. In ge

Re: molden

2021-05-19 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 13:25, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > I wanted to install molden > I followed the instructions: > https://snapcraft.io/install/molden/fedora > > but > > /snap/snap/molden/current/molden > /snap/snap/molden/current/molden: error while loading shared libraries: > libgfortr

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Tom Horsley
Well, from these responses I can deduce one thing for sure: Whatever CentOS is these days, their press releases were not very clear about it :-). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fe

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 5/19/21 9:58 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: The CentOS developers seem to be moving to a new workalike called Rocky Linux: Rocky Linux was created by a former CentOS developer (one of the founders).  However, I'm not aware of any current developers moving to other rebuilds.  Those developers are

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 5/19/21 11:29 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: Those who want CentOS are a different type of user than Fedora. They have production machines for which LTS stability is far more important than latest'n'greatest. THAT is dropped--you're likely to have to do a big-bang refresh on CentOS now every 30-60 da

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Dave Ihnat
On 19 May at 13:24, Gordon Messmer wrote: > They didn't drop releases entirely, just minor releases.  And that's > good, because ... Those who want CentOS are a different type of user than Fedora. They have production machines for which LTS stability is far more important than latest'n'greatest.

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 5/19/21 10:50 AM, John Mellor wrote: They didn't drop it at all.  They changed from a fixed release schedule to a rolling release.  As a potential dev environment, this is a huge improvement.  RedHat and CentOS tend to be running ancient versions of tools and apps in the name of stability -

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 5/19/21 10:08 AM, Roger Heflin wrote: They dropped "releases".   What it is now appears to be a continuous stream of rolling updates with no defined 7.9 release, just a stream. They didn't drop releases entirely, just minor releases.  And that's good, because minor releases in CentOS were

Re: molden

2021-05-19 Thread Roger Heflin
About the only option would be to either find a version of molden built to support one of the libs you have, or download source code and compile it yourself. Quick checking says Redhat 5 (out of support years ago) only has .4, so .3 is really really old, nothing current is likely to have what that

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 5/19/21 6:06 PM, bruce wrote: Hi. In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform. So, looking at a blank slate to figure out what version of OS should have on the "work" laptop. Project work will be on the laptop as well as cloud VM.. In general, until not too long ago, Fedora used t

Re: molden

2021-05-19 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes, I tried:  ln -s /usr/lib64/libgfortran.so.1 /usr/lib64/libgfortran.so.3  ln -s /usr/lib64/libgfortran.so.5 /usr/lib64/libgfortran.so.3   symbol lookup error: /snap/snap/molden/current/molden: undefined symbol: _gfortran_set_options, version GFORTRAN_1.0   /snap/snap/molden/current/mold

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread John Mellor
On 2021-05-19 12:23 p.m., Dave Ihnat wrote: On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote: Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability. Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December; lessee...here's an article: https://talesfromthedatacenter.com/2020/12/centos-an

Re: molden

2021-05-19 Thread Patrick Dupre
I only find   compat-libgfortran-41-4.1.2-57.fc32.i686.rpm which provide /usr/lib64/libgfortran.so.1   Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 7:10 PM From: "Roger Heflin" To: "Community support for Fedora users" Subject: Re: molden Usually one of the compat packages

Re: molden

2021-05-19 Thread Roger Heflin
Install both and symbolic link libgfortran.so.3 to each library and see if either one works for the app. THe compat I find only has so.1 but has version 4 so whatever OS the binaries were built may not have been fedora but .1 (version 4) may be backwards compatible. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:10

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread George N. White III
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 13:18, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:06:56 -0400 > bruce wrote: > > > So, I'm interested in thoughts for the group. > > For things I want to be relatively stable, I've tended > to use the ubuntu LTS release with long support times > so I have no reason to upgr

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Dave Ihnat
On 19 May at 11:58, Bill Oliver wrote: > The CentOS developers seem to be moving to a new workalike called Rocky > Linux: > > https://news.itsfoss.com/rocky-linux-announcement/ Yeah, there was discussion of a couple of fork projects planned back in December. The downsides are twofold, that I s

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Eddie O'Connor
I've actually.made the move to a combination of Rocky Linux and Alma Linux...theyre both suitable to the tasks at hand! EGO II On Wed, May 19, 2021, 12:58 PM Bill Oliver wrote: > > > On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:23 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: > > On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote: > > > Actu

Re: molden

2021-05-19 Thread Roger Heflin
Usually one of the compat packages will provide the older libraries. So see if there is a compat package or 2 for gfortran still. I know there used to be one. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:25 AM Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > I wanted to install molden > I followed the instructions: > https://

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Roger Heflin
They dropped "releases". What it is now appears to be a continuous stream of rolling updates with no defined 7.9 release, just a stream. For a stable OS I am not sure that is any better or worse than releases. With fedora changing major package versions it might cause chaos, but it probably wou

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Bill Oliver
On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 11:23 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote: > > Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability. > > Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December; > lessee...here's an article: > > The CentOS developers seem t

molden

2021-05-19 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I wanted to install molden I followed the instructions: https://snapcraft.io/install/molden/fedora but /snap/snap/molden/current/molden /snap/snap/molden/current/molden: error while loading shared libraries: libgfortran.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory fe

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Dave Ihnat
On 19 May at 11:16, Terry Polzin wrote: > Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability. Except Redhat has dropped CentOS. They announced it in December; lessee...here's an article: https://talesfromthedatacenter.com/2020/12/centos-and-the-bomb-that-ibm-red-hat-dropped/ I've not

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:06:56 -0400 bruce wrote: > So, I'm interested in thoughts for the group. For things I want to be relatively stable, I've tended to use the ubuntu LTS release with long support times so I have no reason to upgrade frequently. I started using fedora because where I worked ou

Re: Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread Terry Polzin
Actually you may be better off with CENTOS for stability. Another consideration will be your desktop manager. As some use more resources than others. My opinion, the simpler the better. On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:08 PM bruce wrote: > Hi. > > In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform

Honest Questions -- Trying to decide on version of linux/os

2021-05-19 Thread bruce
Hi. In the middle of trying to figure out a dev platform. So, looking at a blank slate to figure out what version of OS should have on the "work" laptop. Project work will be on the laptop as well as cloud VM.. At the same time (if it matters), looking to to have a new laptop -- 12-16G, 256GSSD

Re: Video controller recommendations

2021-05-19 Thread Roger Heflin
You might have to buy a cheap throw away card.There are way too many people going after the "good" mining cards right now. https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-gt-710-gt710-sl-2gd5-csm/p/N82E16814126211?Item=N82E16814126211 Is a basic card, it is $70+shipping Verify that the 4k support is goo

Re: Video controller recommendations

2021-05-19 Thread Alex
Hi, > What kind of motherboard/system do you have and does it support more than > PCI2.1? It's the Asus Z370-A and appears to support PCIe 3.0 https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-Z370-A/ > Unless you are doing gaming and/or some other intensive video I