Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

On 2014-04-01 00:00, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/31/2014 09:01 PM, Robin Laing wrote: I use a basic /home on the root drive with each users directory mounted to their username mount point. So each user has their own partition? Do you also use LVM so that you can create/resize or remove them as need

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

On 2014-03-31 22:42, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Robin Laing wrote: When a feature that is used is broken, even to the point an application crashes, and the fix requires the new version, then it is in issue in the usability of Fedora. This has been my biggest

Re: 8 Things Mainstream Media Doesn't Have the Courage to Tell You | Alternet - Sorry

On 2014-04-07 12:59, David wrote: On 4/7/2014 2:15 PM, David wrote: My bad for this. Sent to the wrong address. Thanks for the link. I was sent t

Re: Dual Boot System

On 2014-04-17 01:31, Javier Perez wrote: Hi Arthur That is exactly the scenario that I want to avoid by having separate /home and soft-linking the Data partition. I wonder should I set /var on the HDD to save wear and tear on the SSD? JP On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Arthur Dent wrote:

Re: Need advice

On 2014-04-16 22:19, Rachmayanto Surjadi wrote: Thanks a lot to everybody who responded my question. I got the impression that for production better use non-Fedora (Centos, RH) so as to minimize the frequent-updates work. For development stage it seems that using Fedora would not be a big issue.

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

I don't see a bug here. I see a BOFH that doesn't like the new way of things (Bring me my XFCE, dammit! And get off my lawn!) and using a work around is how I expect my life to work. If I didn't want/expect to kick things around until it worked the way I wanted, I'd be using an Apple. On Thu,

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

Hi On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tucker wrote: > That's helpful, thanks. There appear to be a number of services that > depend on the tmpfiles.d conf files. I don't want to break things like > kmod, I just want this thing that's doing Bad Things to my transient files > in /*/tmp/* directori

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

I remember when Linux used to be easy... ;) That's perfect. I actually just made it to that part of the man page and I _never_ would have read that section and thought "this will stop it!" Much appreciated. On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM, poma wrote: > On 18.04.2014 01:24, Tucker wrote: > >

Re: Need advice

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:07 PM, poma wrote: > OL or LOL? :) > > Red Hat Announces Availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Beta > >> December 11, 2013 << > The RHEL 6.5 source was out Nov 21 http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2013/11/red-hat-launches-latest-version-of-red-hat-ent

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

On 18.04.2014 01:24, Tucker wrote: > Presumably, removing all the files in those directories would do the same > but it appears that it's still purging /tmp. Does systemd-tmpfiles require > a reload/restart before it picks up changes? If so, that conveniently > requires a reboot since it ignores

Re: Need advice

On 04/17/2014 06:29 PM, Digimer wrote: On 17/04/14 09:59 AM, Steve Searle wrote: Around 02:53pm on Thursday, April 17, 2014 (UK time), Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Roger sent: What would one have to look out for if one does keep an EOL Fedora for a number of years? I wo

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

That's helpful, thanks. There appear to be a number of services that depend on the tmpfiles.d conf files. I don't want to break things like kmod, I just want this thing that's doing Bad Things to my transient files in /*/tmp/* directories to stop. On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Joe Zeff wrot

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

On 04/17/2014 04:24 PM, Tucker wrote: Does systemd-tmpfiles require a reload/restart before it picks up changes? If so, that conveniently requires a reboot since it ignores manual anything. The service you probably want is systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service. systemctl restart systemd-tmpfiles-c

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

Presumably, removing all the files in those directories would do the same but it appears that it's still purging /tmp. Does systemd-tmpfiles require a reload/restart before it picks up changes? If so, that conveniently requires a reboot since it ignores manual anything. I'd love to be able to co

Re: Need advice

> Red Hat Announces Availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Beta > >> December 11, 2013 << > http://www.redhat.com/about/news/archive/2013/12/red-hat-announces-availability-of-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7-beta > > > Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 Release Candidate Now Available > >> April 15, 20

Re: Need advice

On 18.04.2014 00:48, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Rachmayanto Surjadi < > rachmayan...@sanatel.com> wrote: > >> We are developing internal software using MySql dB and are planning to use >> Fedora for the server. > > > My advice, grab either CentOS http://www.centos

Re: Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

On 17.04.2014 23:19, Tucker wrote: > Hello, > > Since installing FC20, I've been struggling to deal with the fact that > something is eating files in /tmp before I'm done with them. (I'm not > talking about reboots.) If I create a file in /tmp, within N minutes, it > is deleted. This is problem

Re: Need advice

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Rachmayanto Surjadi < rachmayan...@sanatel.com> wrote: > We are developing internal software using MySql dB and are planning to use > Fedora for the server. My advice, grab either CentOS http://www.centos.org/ or OracleLinux http://mirrors.wimmekes.net/pub/iso/

Re: Need advice

On 04/17/2014 01:46 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: I *assume* (though do not know) that you wouldn't keep getting library updates, so that eventually updated apps wouldn't run even if you downloaded them by hand. Don't know, though. As others have written, once a Fedora release reaches EOL, there are

Disable whatever is cleaning /tmp

Hello, Since installing FC20, I've been struggling to deal with the fact that something is eating files in /tmp before I'm done with them. (I'm not talking about reboots.) If I create a file in /tmp, within N minutes, it is deleted. This is problematic since I have quite a few tools/tasks that

Re: F20 Where's my system mail?

Heinz Diehl wrote: > With mydestination you specify your local domain(s). Example: > > mydestination = fritha.org > > All mail handled by postfix which goes to .fritha.org will be > delivered locally. When there's no local user for it, the mail will be > undeliverable and bounce. Mail to .frith

Re: Need advice

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014, Roger wrote: What would one have to look out for if one does keep an EOL Fedora for a number of years? Roger I *assume* (though do not know) that you wouldn't keep getting library updates, so that eventually updated apps wouldn't run even if you downloaded them by han

Re: Startup time fixed - Re: systemctl versus service

On 04/17/2014 03:55 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 03:43:27PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: This takes a LONG time until the failed message appears. 'ps axu|grep hip' shows the service is running. but status shows: I suspect some of the comments in the init.d file are confu

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

On 04/17/2014 12:17 PM, Tim issued this missive: Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Tom Horsley sent: Over the last 20 years, I have occasionally tried that many times, and on no system has hitting "I" ever gone interactive for me (it always had the message that said hit "I" for interactive b

Re: Startup time fixed - Re: systemctl versus service

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 03:43:27PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>This takes a LONG time until the failed message appears. 'ps axu|grep > >>hip' shows the service is running. but status shows: > >I suspect some of the comments in the init.d file are confusing it. > Deleted all comment lines tha

Re: systemctl versus service

On 04/17/2014 03:33 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 03:15:57PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: There's not going to be a systemctl option -- but what does your .service file look like? What .service file? Where do I look for it? if you mean a file with a name of 'hipfw.servi

Startup time fixed - Re: systemctl versus service

On 04/17/2014 02:55 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:07:33 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote: This takes a LONG time until the failed message appears. 'ps axu|grep hip' shows the service is running. but status shows: I suspect some of the comments in the init.d file are confusing it.

Re: systemctl versus service

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 03:15:57PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >There's not going to be a systemctl option -- but what does your .service > >file look like? > What .service file? Where do I look for it? if you mean a file > with a name of 'hipfw.service', no such animal. But then the hip >

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Tom Horsley sent: > Over the last 20 years, I have occasionally tried that many times, > and on no system has hitting "I" ever gone interactive for me (it > always had the message that said hit "I" for interactive boot, > it just never worked :-). But did you

Re: systemctl versus service

On 04/17/2014 02:49 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 02:44:39PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: CentOS 7 will be based on RHEL 7, which includes systemd and therefore systemctl. Important to know, but I will have to support Centos 6 for a while, even if Centos 7 were to come ou

Re: Need advice

Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Steve Searle sent: > I would think the lack of any security updates would be a more serious > problem than this. Me too, but they've already been covered. I have one machine that uses an old OS, because it does what I need. Since it's not on any network, and

Re: systemctl versus service

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:07:33 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > This takes a LONG time until the failed message appears. 'ps axu|grep > hip' shows the service is running. but status shows: I suspect some of the comments in the init.d file are confusing it. I seem to recall we have a similar problem

Re: systemctl versus service

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 02:44:39PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >CentOS 7 will be based on RHEL 7, which includes systemd and therefore > >systemctl. > Important to know, but I will have to support Centos 6 for a while, > even if Centos 7 were to come out tomorrow. Right, so, equally so: there

Re: systemctl versus service

On 04/17/2014 02:28 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 02:07:33PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: So for a number of versions, 'service' has been a front end to 'systemctl'. I have a service I am testing the Host Identity Protocol, and the HIPL implementation: http://infrahip.hiit

Re: systemctl versus service

On 04/17/2014 02:20 PM, poma wrote: On 17.04.2014 20:07, Robert Moskowitz wrote: So for a number of versions, 'service' has been a front end to 'systemctl'. I have a service I am testing the Host Identity Protocol, and the HIPL implementation: http://infrahip.hiit.fi/ that is still built around

Re: systemctl versus service

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 02:07:33PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > So for a number of versions, 'service' has been a front end to > 'systemctl'. I have a service I am testing the Host Identity > Protocol, and the HIPL implementation: http://infrahip.hiit.fi/ that > is still built around 'service'.

Re: systemctl versus service

On 17.04.2014 20:07, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > So for a number of versions, 'service' has been a front end to > 'systemctl'. I have a service I am testing the Host Identity Protocol, > and the HIPL implementation: http://infrahip.hiit.fi/ that is still > built around 'service'. And they maintain

systemctl versus service

So for a number of versions, 'service' has been a front end to 'systemctl'. I have a service I am testing the Host Identity Protocol, and the HIPL implementation: http://infrahip.hiit.fi/ that is still built around 'service'. And they maintain binaries for a number of distros, including Centos

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

On 04/17/2014 11:26 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:12:15 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:24:36PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Long ago I knew a way to get the boot process to require a keystroke at each step. This was important when you were trying to

Re: F20 Yum Transaction Error

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:13:21 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:08:35AM -0400, Tim Evans wrote: > > Since yesterday, F20 yum update reports: > > > > Transaction check error: > > file /usr/include/ImageMagick-6/magick/magick-baseconfig.h > > conflicts between attempted ins

Re: Need advice

On 17/04/14 09:59 AM, Steve Searle wrote: Around 02:53pm on Thursday, April 17, 2014 (UK time), Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Roger sent: What would one have to look out for if one does keep an EOL Fedora for a number of years? You wouldn't be able to install new applicati

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:45:02 -0700 Mike Wright wrote: > Booting has become so fast I could no longer hit the key in time but I > think it was capital I as in interactive. Over the last 20 years, I have occasionally tried that many times, and on no system has hitting "I" ever gone interactive for

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 09:26:39AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Well, there is booting with: > systemd.confirm_spawn=true > not sure it fully does what you want, but it asks you for each thing > it's going to spawn if you want to do it or not or skip. Oh, huh. Okay, that has grown since I last lo

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:12:15 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:24:36PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > Long ago I knew a way to get the boot process to require a keystroke > > at each step. This was important when you were trying to read the > > screen to figure out wha

Re: F20 Yum Transaction Error

On 04/17/2014 11:13 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:08:35AM -0400, Tim Evans wrote: Since yesterday, F20 yum update reports: Transaction check error: file /usr/include/ImageMagick-6/magick/magick-baseconfig.h conflicts between attempted installs of ImageMagick-devel-6.8.

Re: F20 Yum Transaction Error

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:08:35AM -0400, Tim Evans wrote: > Since yesterday, F20 yum update reports: > > Transaction check error: > file /usr/include/ImageMagick-6/magick/magick-baseconfig.h > conflicts between attempted installs of > ImageMagick-devel-6.8.6.3-4.fc20.i686 and > ImageMagick-deve

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:24:36PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Long ago I knew a way to get the boot process to require a keystroke > at each step. This was important when you were trying to read the > screen to figure out what is happening, typically wrong. > But long ago I lost my notes on

F20 Yum Transaction Error

Since yesterday, F20 yum update reports: Transaction check error: file /usr/include/ImageMagick-6/magick/magick-baseconfig.h conflicts between attempted installs of ImageMagick-devel-6.8.6.3-4.fc20.i686 and ImageMagick-devel-6.8.6.3-4.fc20.x86_64 --skip-broken will not ignore this. I see a

Re: How to put boot into interactive mode

04/16/2014 07:24 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Long ago I knew a way to get the boot process to require a keystroke at each step. This was important when you were trying to read the screen to figure out what is happening, typically wrong. But long ago I lost my notes on this, and I believe i need

Re: Need advice

Around 02:53pm on Thursday, April 17, 2014 (UK time), Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Roger sent: > > What would one have to look out for if one does keep an EOL Fedora for > > a number of years? > > You wouldn't be able to install new applications on it. e.g. If, years > lat

Re: F20 Where's my system mail?

On 17.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I found I could only set myorigin and mydestination by experiment; > I didn't understand the descriptions in main.cf. With mydestination you specify your local domain(s). Example: mydestination = fritha.org All mail handled by postfix which goes to .frit

Re: Need advice

Allegedly, on or about 17 April 2014, Roger sent: > What would one have to look out for if one does keep an EOL Fedora for > a number of years? You wouldn't be able to install new applications on it. e.g. If, years later, someone develops something that sounds interesting to you, it will depend

Re: Need advice

On 04/17/2014 07:07 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Roger wrote: What would be the difference between an EOL well serviced and managed Fedora 19 and newly installed CentOS6.5 as far as internet safety and security goes? F19 is still current, so the comparison wo

Re: F20 Where's my system mail?

Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 16.04.2014, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> The two config files (master.cf and main.cf) are difficult to follow, >> and the documentation is poor. > > For a homeserver or "single use" MTA: > > 1. leave master.cf alone > 2. Define these in main.cf > >- myhostname >-

Re: Need advice

On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Roger wrote: > What would be the difference between an EOL well serviced and managed Fedora > 19 and newly installed CentOS6.5 as far as internet safety and security > goes? F19 is still current, so the comparison would be with F18. In a nutshell: F18 isn't gettin

Re: CUPS service seems to have suddenly stopped working [Solved]

On Wed, 2014-04-16 at 19:25 -0400, Claude Jones wrote: > But how did that configuration file get messed up? The only thing I > remember doing on the day it stopped working was trying to share the > printer on my home network... I don't know. You'd need to look in the system journal (journalctl)

Re: Dual Boot System

Hi Arthur That is exactly the scenario that I want to avoid by having separate /home and soft-linking the Data partition. I wonder should I set /var on the HDD to save wear and tear on the SSD? JP On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Arthur Dent wrote: > On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 00:43 -0500, Javier P

Re: Dual Boot System

On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 00:43 -0500, Javier Perez wrote: > My Idea is to have sda=SSD, sdb=HDD > > > /dev/sda1 = /boot, about 1G > > /dev/sda2 = / Ubuntu 50G aprox > > /dev/sda3 = / Fedora 50G aprox > > /dev/sda4 = swap * (I know i know, let's forget about extended/logical > for the moment)