Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/14 13:43, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 13:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 01/03/14 13:03, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: >>> Pretty much the same as what I did, except that I have a hidden network, >>> so I had to enter its name. Now that I have connected once using >>> netw

Re: NetworkManager

On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 13:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/03/14 13:03, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > Pretty much the same as what I did, except that I have a hidden network, > > so I had to enter its name. Now that I have connected once using > > network-manager-applet, kde-plasma-nm appears to w

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/14 13:03, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Pretty much the same as what I did, except that I have a hidden network, > so I had to enter its name. Now that I have connected once using > network-manager-applet, kde-plasma-nm appears to work properly; when I > click on the network identifier, I see

Re: f20 - gedit

On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 12/19/2013 09:07 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: >> >> AppMenu is only used when running under GNOME, when using any other DE >> it's not used. >> >> FWIW, you can get the old behaviour back under GNOME by editing the >> 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.p

Re: NetworkManager

On Fri, 2014-01-03 at 06:51 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/03/14 05:25, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > The problem, for me at least, with KDE's "kde-plasma-nm" is > > that it doesn't work, whereas Gnome's "network-manager-applet" works > > perfectly. I spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to ge

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014 21:48:32 + "Powell, Michael" wrote: > I guess this is more of a general question, but sometimes after > updating the kernel or nvidia drivers an akmod isn't regenerated and > my system will begin to boot, fedora logo will show, but eventually > it will dump to the systemd l

Re: yum question

On 01/02/2014 12:41 PM, bruce wrote: hey guys. i can do a yum list installed and i get a list of the installed packages for the local system. I would like to get packages installed after system build. That is packages I choose to add. However, I have no idea where this data is coming f

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/02/2014 12:55 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Is there something you expect to see that is missing from the journal? >>> >>> Yes, the output of cron, that is not a part of the journal output. >> >

Re: GNOME Screencast & Audio

Hi On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > Hi, > > Fedora 20 here. Is there a way to record audio with GNOME's embedded > screencast tool? > Nope. Use something like recordmydesktop Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscrip

GNOME Screencast & Audio

Hi, Fedora 20 here. Is there a way to record audio with GNOME's embedded screencast tool? Thanks, Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedora

Re: Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

On 01/02/2014 08:19 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, CS DBA > wrote: Hi All; I'm looking for a replacement for my 15" macbook pro retina, I tried to switch to mac but Linux is just too good. Thinking of buying a D

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

On 14-01-02 13:12:31, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Steve Searle > wrote: > > > Around 12:43am on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 (UK time), Patrick > > O'Callaghan wrote: > > > >> Conclusion: better look for some other way to cover your tracks, > >> and note that a forensic in

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On 14-01-02 20:12:28, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:52:01PM +, Tom H wrote: ... > > That SYSLOG_FACILITY has to be a number is from > > systemd.jounal-fields(7). > > No, I mean which number corresponds to what facility. I don't even > know where to find a comprehensive list

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:37:28PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:03 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > > > On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > >> Really? In the whole world of computing you don't see this is a > >> tiny tiny minority use case? It's so small it

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:29:46PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:55 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > > > On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Is there something you expect to see that is missing from the journal? > >>> > >>> Yes, the output of cron, that is

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:52:01PM +, Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Suvayu Ali >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 03:20:38AM +, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 02.01.2014 23:23, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > >> On 02.01.2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> [Hibernation] >>> Note however that Linux support for this is pretty limited/ buggy and I >>> would recommend you don't do it. >> >> My whole f

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Sendmail was taking up space on the install media, on users computers, for no > benefit for the vast majority of users. I don't know how many times this has > to > be said - look at the number of unique individuals involved in the > conver

Re: Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

Hi, I have a XPS 13 that came installed with Ubuntu (btw, cheaper than buying with Windoze) which I stripped off and put in Fedora. It weighs only 2.99 pounds. I love it! Only 2 major irritating features: 1. Occassionally, after a period of inactivity, the screen turns dark greyish black with n

Re: Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM, CS DBA wrote: > Hi All; > > I'm looking for a replacement for my 15" macbook pro retina, I tried to > switch to mac but Linux is just too good. > > Thinking of buying a Dell XPS 15 (specs below), anyone have any thoughts > on if Fedora will run on this machine? >

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:52:01PM +, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 03:20:38AM +, Tom H wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Tom H wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Suvayu Ali > >>> wrote: > >

Re: Manipulating journalctl output

Hi Frank, On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 11:15:38AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:57:38 +0100 > Suvayu Ali wrote: > > > 1. If your journal size is large, piping to grep is quite a bit slow. > > http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-journald.service.html > SIGUSR2

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 01/02/2014 06:54 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Robert Moskowitz > wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz mailto:r...@htt-consult.com>> wrote: man pm-hibernate Don't ask me why the pm

Re: Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

On 01/02/2014 03:53 PM, CS DBA wrote: I'm looking for a replacement for my 15" macbook pro retina, I tried to switch to mac but Linux is just too good. I have a Toshiba laptop that was designed for and came with Vista, and I've had good results. Toshiba even has a Linux support mailing list,

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

Hi. I'm not a power user of yum. I''ve never used dnf, didn't even know it existed until a few days ago via this thread. And I don't mean this to be a dig at the dev team of the app/function. However, given some of the points made in this thread, I'm wondering if the devs of this app have creat

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On 01/02/2014 03:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: That would imply that someone actually took the decision to *remove* the protections against leaving the system with no installed kernel. Was this discussed? What were the proposers smoking? It's always been a principle that *nix won't stop yo

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Jan 2, 2014, at 4:42 PM, "Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: > At this point I will repeat that dnf is based on the original yum code so for > vast majority of users the change will not be noticeable and everything will > continue to work the s

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:42 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 11:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Yes, all critical notifications are supposed to stay persistent. That >> is the right model to alert desktop users about anything relevant enough >> to bother them with. Not emails. > >

Re: suspend or hibernate

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >> man pm-hibernate >> >> Don't ask me why the pm-; it does make it hard to find. >> > > > man -k hibernate > > > So now I have to man man to find out its options? > > :) > RTF

Fedora on a Dell XPS 15?

Hi All; I'm looking for a replacement for my 15" macbook pro retina, I tried to switch to mac but Linux is just too good. Thinking of buying a Dell XPS 15 (specs below), anyone have any thoughts on if Fedora will run on this machine? Thanks in advance Specs: Note that this laptop has O

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/02/2014 10:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> How big files can you send to the journal? The content we are talking about >>> can be everything from oneliners to really long tracebacks. >> >> By default it is compressed, and set to use

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jan Zelený wrote: > At this point I will repeat that dnf is based on the original yum code so > for > vast majority of users the change will not be noticeable and everything > will > continue to work the same. > That would imply that someone actually took the dec

RE: akmod isn't reliable

>At this risk of sounding a bit harsh... If you don't know where your software >is coming from, don't use it. If >you don't understand that you had to install >the RPM Fusion repositories to get akmods, you probably shouldn't >be using >it. It's really designed for people who are running modifie

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Powell, Michael wrote: > >Wrong list, this should be discussed on the RPM Fusion mailing list. > > > >Richard > > Hmm... how so? At this risk of sounding a bit harsh... If you don't know where your software is coming from, don't use it. If you don't understand tha

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

HI On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/02/2014 11:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Yes, all critical notifications are supposed to stay persistent. That >> is the right model to alert desktop users about anything relevant enough >> to bother them with. Not emails

Re: akmod isn't reliable

On 01/03/14 06:45, Powell, Michael wrote: >> Wrong list, this should be discussed on the RPM Fusion mailing list. >> >> Richard > Hmm... how so? [egreshko@meimei ~]$ yum info akmods Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Installed Packages Name: akmods Arch: noarch Version

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/03/14 05:25, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > The problem, for me at least, with KDE's "kde-plasma-nm" is > that it doesn't work, whereas Gnome's "network-manager-applet" works > perfectly. I spent a couple of hours yesterday trying to get a laptop > on which I had just installed a KDE Fedora Spin

RE: akmod isn't reliable

>Wrong list, this should be discussed on the RPM Fusion mailing list. > >Richard Hmm... how so? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.or

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 11:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes, all critical notifications are supposed to stay persistent. That is the right model to alert desktop users about anything relevant enough to bother them with. Not emails. Works OK on a desktop, but how is the home server use case, where the

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 01/02/2014 05:22 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: man pm-hibernate Don't ask me why the pm-; it does make it hard to find. Because it is part of pm-utils and pm stands for power management. Oh, that makes perfect sense. --

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 01/02/2014 05:20 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 02.01.2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: [Hibernation] Note however that Linux support for this is pretty limited/ buggy and I would recommend you don't do it. My whole family uses Linux and has used hibernation regularly. None of us has encountered prob

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 01/02/2014 05:18 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 02.01.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Hibernate takes all the current state and copies it to swap. Thus you need a large swap to handle this. I always create my swap twice my memory size. This is not neccessary. A swapspace equal the amount of RAM

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

Hi On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/02/2014 01:32 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > >> >> Yes, that works for the desktop user. >> > > Not always. My desktop runs 24/7. Unless a notification stays up until I > acknowledge it, it's not going to do me a bit of good if it co

Trying to use mailx for logwatch

And the mail is failing. Here is what I have done: I determined that in: /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" so in: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf mailer = "/usr/bin/mailx -t" In /etc/aliases I have: # Person who should get root's mail root:

no video after upgrade to fedora 20 (from fedora 19)

Hi, i finally upgrade fedora 19 to fedora 20 using fedora-upgrade (fedup had issues) System boot normally. Displaying grub, the fedora logo filling from black to white ...and colorized finally. And just after black screen (like no video signal) in my virtual machine (where fedora is installe

Re: suspend or hibernate

Hi On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:19 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > man pm-hibernate > > Don't ask me why the pm-; it does make it hard to find. > Because it is part of pm-utils and pm stands for power management. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change s

Re: suspend or hibernate

Hi On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 02.01.2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > [Hibernation] > > Note however that Linux support for this is pretty limited/ buggy and I > > would recommend you don't do it. > > My whole family uses Linux and has used hibernation regularly. None

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 02.01.2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: [Hibernation] > Note however that Linux support for this is pretty limited/ buggy and I > would recommend you don't do it. My whole family uses Linux and has used hibernation regularly. None of us has encountered problems so far... -- users mailing list use

Re: Fedup Failure

HI On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Thanks much for this, my success with fedup has been so slight (worked 1 > of 11) that I have gone to the yum upgrade route. So far 4 for 4. I like > yum better, it puts the rpms where they get updated to my local repository, > that make

Re: suspend or hibernate

On 02.01.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Hibernate takes all the current state and copies it to swap. Thus you need > a large swap to handle this. I always create my swap twice my memory size. This is not neccessary. A swapspace equal the amount of RAM is enough to hibernate. -- users mailin

Re: akmod isn't reliable

Wrong list, this should be discussed on the RPM Fusion mailing list. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct G

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 19:15 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Says who and has decided who? > > If Fedora was an openly lead project, a yum competitor such as dnf would > be evaluated against yum and a decision be drawn at an arbitrary future > point in time. > This is the first I've heard of dn

Re: Fedup Failure

Chris Murphy wrote: On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/17/2013 06:34 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: I tried upgrading from Fedora 19 to 20. When the System Upgrade task starts I get a failure around /run/initramfs (it moves fast). Then it boots back to Fedora 19. Any thoughts on

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 01:32 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: Yes, that works for the desktop user. Not always. My desktop runs 24/7. Unless a notification stays up until I acknowledge it, it's not going to do me a bit of good if it comes up while I'm sleeping, or otherwise away. One thing I like abo

Re: announcement --- planned Yum replacement now ready for user testing

On 02/01/14 18:10, poma wrote: On 02.01.2014 12:13, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 01/02/2014 11:54 AM, Ales Kozumplik wrote: A question, I found the following on "dnf erase kernel deletes all packages called kernel In Yum, the running kernel is spar

akmod isn't reliable

I guess this is more of a general question, but sometimes after updating the kernel or nvidia drivers an akmod isn't regenerated and my system will begin to boot, fedora logo will show, but eventually it will dump to the systemd log of services being started and just sit there. I have all the re

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 10:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: How big files can you send to the journal? The content we are talking about can be everything from oneliners to really long tracebacks. By default it is compressed, and set to use 10% of free space. It's configurable, man journald.conf. I meant ho

Re: NetworkManager

On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 21:00 +0100, poma wrote: > On 02.01.2014 13:24, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > In my view NM is ludicrously over-complicated, > > and steadily getting more complicated > > as more and more "features" are added. > > Au contraire. > 'kde-plasma-nm' is the spitting image of both '

Re: NetworkManager

On 01/02/2014 03:00 PM, poma wrote: > On 02.01.2014 21:46, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> Right clicking on the NM icon (in Fedora-20/KDE) >> brings up an unintelligible (to me) window >> with 4 arrows whose function I do not understand. > > Take screenshot, paste link here. > > > poma > > What I

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:50 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 09:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> If they're important, they should go in the journal. > > How big files can you send to the journal? The content we are talking about > can be everything from oneliners to really long traceb

Re: NetworkManager

On 02.01.2014 21:46, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Right clicking on the NM icon (in Fedora-20/KDE) > brings up an unintelligible (to me) window > with 4 arrows whose function I do not understand. Take screenshot, paste link here. poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubsc

Re: NetworkManager

HI On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > poma wrote: > > >> In my view NM is ludicrously over-complicated, > >> and steadily getting more complicated > >> as more and more "features" are added. > > > > Au contraire. > > 'kde-plasma-nm' is the spitting image of both 'network-ma

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

On 01/02/2014 12:47 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: A forensic accountant might not see it, since they aren't trained in computer forensics. However, any computer forensics guy will see it (and give it to the accountant). Rather what I thought. A clever idea that sounds good enough for a book, movie

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 09:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: If they're important, they should go in the journal. How big files can you send to the journal? The content we are talking about can be everything from oneliners to really long tracebacks. If it ends up in the journal, how will the user be informed

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > For a while now on OS X, cron is no longer used by default. This is now > the job of launch services. > FYI, systemd has similar capabilities and packages have slowly been using them http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/02/2014 08:32 AM, Steve Searle wrote: You would be better off using disc encryption, and claiming that you used a long pass phrase which you had written down rather than remembered, and that you had destroyed the paper it was written on. Just to to

Re: NetworkManager

poma wrote: >> In my view NM is ludicrously over-complicated, >> and steadily getting more complicated >> as more and more "features" are added. > > Au contraire. > 'kde-plasma-nm' is the spitting image of both 'network-manager-applet' & > 'nm-connection-editor', quite straightforward and simple

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 09:24 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> OH but wait, I don't really want more email because I think email in general >> sucks because of abuse just like this. And on top of it, from my sampling, >> the messages were useless, so h

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

On 01/02/2014 12:30 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: 1) friend of mine many years ago used to do that -- while working full-time for a company, he created a separate filesystem on the company server for his own stuff that he would mount manually. 2) any forensic analyst that would b

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:03 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> In the Fedora 19 era it was ~ 30-60 seconds according to systemd-analyze >> blame. There was a bug on it in the bugzilla which was blocking the "why we >> boot so slow" tracker for systemd.

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 09:24 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: OH but wait, I don't really want more email because I think email in general sucks because of abuse just like this. And on top of it, from my sampling, the messages were useless, so had I been getting them by email, I'd have considered them spam and

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

On Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:32 AM, Steve Searle wrote: > > You would be better off using disc encryption, and claiming that you > > used a long pass phrase which you had written down rather than > > remembered, and that you had destroyed the paper it was written on. > >

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:55 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Is there something you expect to see that is missing from the journal? >>> >>> Yes, the output of cron, that is not a part of the journal output. >> >> Then cron is broken. > > cron by

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:49 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Right. I wasn't informed they exist, therefore they are not important >> messages. > > You not being informed has nothing to do with the importance of the message > content. You're right

Re: Different actions on different passwords?

On 01/02/2014 08:32 AM, Steve Searle wrote: You would be better off using disc encryption, and claiming that you used a long pass phrase which you had written down rather than remembered, and that you had destroyed the paper it was written on. Just to toss an idea out here. Imagine an accounta

Re: is cronie-anacron a package requirement for cronie or not?

On 01/02/2014 08:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: not at some random inconvenient time anacron picks using the artificial intelligence algorithm it apparently has to maximize inconvenience :-). It sounds like anacron is using the same form of AI that a first-person shooter I like (Joint Operations) u

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: In the Fedora 19 era it was ~ 30-60 seconds according to systemd-analyze blame. There was a bug on it in the bugzilla which was blocking the "why we boot so slow" tracker for systemd. I think it's since been fixed, not sure, but now that the glory of

Re: NetworkManager

On 02.01.2014 13:24, Timothy Murphy wrote: > In my view NM is ludicrously over-complicated, > and steadily getting more complicated > as more and more "features" are added. Au contraire. 'kde-plasma-nm' is the spitting image of both 'network-manager-applet' & 'nm-connection-editor', quite straigh

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 02:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: On 01/02/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: ... Important mail to/from root is not an "edge case". So important that by default root

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 08:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Is there something you expect to see that is missing from the journal? Yes, the output of cron, that is not a part of the journal output. Then cron is broken. cron by default sends the output to root $ head /etc/crontab SHELL=/bin/bash PATH=/sbin

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 01:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: On 01/02/2014 04:40 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: be exposed in GUI, to me it sounds like an edge case request. Important mail to/from root is not an "edge case". So important that by default root

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 08:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Right. I wasn't informed they exist, therefore they are not important messages. You not being informed has nothing to do with the importance of the message content. (My proposal was a direct hit at this, making it clear for the user that potential

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:26 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: >>> It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process >>> doing nothing. >> >> I've never seen it do any

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:35 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 08:32 PM, Pete Travis wrote: >> Before, if you suspected a problem with a crond job, you looked at the >> user's mail. Now, if you suspect a problem with a cron job, you look at >> the journal. >> >> Is there something you

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 08:32 PM, Pete Travis wrote: Before, if you suspected a problem with a crond job, you looked at the user's mail. Now, if you suspect a problem with a cron job, you look at the journal. Is there something you expect to see that is missing from the journal? Yes, the output of cron,

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014 12:26 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > > On 01/02/2014 08:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: >>> >>> It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process doing nothing. >> >> >> I've never seen it do any

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:09 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > ... >>> Important mail to/from root is not an "edge case". >> >> So important that by default root isn't informed of these messages?

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 08:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process doing nothing. I've never seen it do anything since I started using Fedora, except cause longer boot times. Stra

Re: NetworkManager

On 02.01.2014 19:59, Robert Holtzman wrote: > Wicd "What is the status of this project?" https://answers.launchpad.net/wicd/+question/227789 poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinf

Re: Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

On 01/02/2014 02:09 PM, Simon Hoare wrote: > Wubi has been stopped on the Ubuntu side. LiveCD or a virtual machine > are your best bets. Having said that, if your laptop isn't up to it on > the bare metal, virtualisation or livecd are not going to impress you > much. > > > 2014/1/2 Steven Stern

high CPU use by bijiben-shell-search-provider after returning from "Activities"

On F20, frequently, after returning from "Activities", I see bijiben-shell-search-provider using near 100% CPU, and I have to kill it (-TERM suffices). I am using the nvidia driver, not nouveau. Has anyone else seen this? Something similar happens if I try to launch quadrapassel, it also uses near

Re: F20 weirdness while tweaking new install

On 01/02/2014 02:50 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > 1. I copied all my virtual machine config files from > the old /etc/libvirt/qemu to the new /etc/libvirt/qemu, > then did a "systemctl restart libvirtd.service" and > the gnome 3 shell immediately stopped talking, waited > a few minutes, then died with "

Re: Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

Wubi has been stopped on the Ubuntu side. LiveCD or a virtual machine are your best bets. Having said that, if your laptop isn't up to it on the bare metal, virtualisation or livecd are not going to impress you much. 2014/1/2 Steven Stern > On 01/02/2014 12:52 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > > Hey

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote: > On 01/02/2014 07:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> There is no deficiency in omitting the installation of something that does >> nothing by default. To gain functionality from sendmail required the user >> configure it. > > It delivers ma

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On 01/02/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: ... Important mail to/from root is not an "edge case". So important that by default root isn't informed of these messages? Huh? With sendmail I was not informed of any such messages when log

Re: NetworkManager

On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:24:09PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: ...snip.. > > I wish there were an alternative to NM > which worked as well as the old Windows "Connect to". Wicd ...snip... -- Bob Holtzman Your mail is being read by tight lipped NSA agents who

Re: Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

On 01/02/2014 12:52 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > Hey folks, > Does Fedora have an equivallent to Wubi? My laptop doesn't have the > horsepower to run it yet, and I don't really want to fiddle with > partitioning yet. > Thanks, > Hunter Live CD? -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedo

Re: F20 - Unintended consequences of no default MTA - How best to fix

On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 01/02/2014 04:40 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> be exposed in GUI, to me it sounds like an edge case request. > > Important mail to/from root is not an "edge case". So important that by default root isn't informed of these messages? W

Fedora's Equivallent to Wubi?

Hey folks, Does Fedora have an equivallent to Wubi? My laptop doesn't have the horsepower to run it yet, and I don't really want to fiddle with partitioning yet. Thanks, Hunter -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedor

F20 weirdness while tweaking new install

I can't reproduce any of these, but I thought I'd go ahead and report them just in case they can be correlated with other reports: 1. I copied all my virtual machine config files from the old /etc/libvirt/qemu to the new /etc/libvirt/qemu, then did a "systemctl restart libvirtd.service" and the gn

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