Re: Can I install a 64-bit kernel on a F16 32-bit system

2012-01-05 Thread bruce
are you saying you want a 32 bit and a 64 bit os to run side by side, ie to boot in one, and then the other, with different partitions? or are you asking to run a mix of 32/64 apps? can you clarify what you're looking to accomplish? thanks On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:59 PM, John Wendel wrote:

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread g
On 01/05/2012 08:36 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: <> > Interesting. I will have to think about it. -=- also, note that there is a condition flag that can be tested so you can have notice it there are updates. i do not have any updates pending so i can not see what notice shows. > To see this on

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread nullv
Sorry for top-posting. You can also edit your startup programs with gnome-session-properties . It comes with Gnome 3. -Original Message- From: Paolo Galtieri Sender: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 19:30:02 To: Community support for Fedora users Reply-To: Com

Can I install a 64-bit kernel on a F16 32-bit system

2012-01-05 Thread John Wendel
I just bought more memory for a box that has F16 32-bit installed. Can I install a 64-bit kernel and leave the userland 32-bit? Thanks, John -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Adding Menu items in gnome3 of F16

2012-01-05 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Everyone, I would like to add some simple menu items in gnome3 of F16, and have not figured out how to do this yet. I tried alacarte, but it is broken giving me a message that gmenu has not been installed. There is no gmenu to install from yum. At this point all I would like to do is to set u

[OT] Hybrid 64/32 kernel ???

2012-01-05 Thread John Wendel
Sorry if this is too off topic, but it's bugging me and I can't find it on Google ... I saw a post/web page somewhere (can't find it now) that seemed to say that some kernel gods were working on a kernel with a "new" memory model (which I didn't understand). If someone knows anything about th

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 19:28 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > I installed the gnome-tweak-tool package. I ran Application->System > Tools->System Settings I'm not sure where it is in fallback mode (which this sounds like), but the name of the application that runs gnome-tweak-tool is Advanced Settin

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Paolo Galtieri
Couldn't find the config-editor program. I did fix the problem using the gnome-tweak-tool program. Paolo On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 14:27 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > > I just installed F16 as a VM under VMware. After booting up and > > insta

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Paolo Galtieri
I installed the gnome-tweak-tool package. I ran Application->System Tools->System Settings but there was no Advanced Settings under the Personal section which is where I would expect to see it. However, if I run gnome-tweak-tool by hand the Advance Settings app starts up (With lots of error messa

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-05 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 5 January 2012 19:25, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 18:34:42 PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> Threads like this are completely useless and annoying, right from >> the beginning. Because, if you don't like to read someone, just use >> a filter or ignore the mails. > > Please don't emb

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 07:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/05/2012 04:21 PM, Joel Rees wrote: Am I the only one who runs a yum update before I have breakfast every morning? No, although I use yumex. Yumex is rather slow it seems compared to just yum update. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 07:21 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Where is it with f16/G3? I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen saying something about updates available. But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the ti

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 04:21 PM, Joel Rees wrote: Am I the only one who runs a yum update before I have breakfast every morning? No, although I use yumex. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/u

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Where is it with f16/G3? > > I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen saying > something about updates available. > > But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time Am I the only one who runs

Openvpn under Fedora-16

2012-01-05 Thread Timothy Murphy
I can start openvpn with [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn@client.service (My openvpn config file is /etc/openvpn/client.conf , which I think is more or less standard.) But I don't know how to turn it on permanently, eg I get [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl enable openvpn@client.servic

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 14:27 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > I just installed F16 as a VM under VMware. After booting up and > installing all the updates I cannot find the 2 system config settings > that are present in F14. > > Specifically the Windows and Startup Applications config items. The >

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/05/2012 02:32 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> >> Why?  You're*checking*  for updates, not actually installing them, so >> >> you shouldn't (and don't, yum will handle it just fine) need root >> permissions. > > > I've had yum complain when I

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 02:32 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Why? You're*checking* for updates, not actually installing them, so you shouldn't (and don't, yum will handle it just fine) need root permissions. I've had yum complain when I've asked it to list something unless I do it as root. Interesting

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 15:25 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 16:55 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > > > > But it does seem a bit annoying to have restarting as a side effect of a > > stray 'r' in Console 2. I suppose if you want a console, using Console > > 3 would get around

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/05/2012 11:50 AM, g wrote: >> >> you can use cron to run a script that redirects output; >> >>   yum check-update>  ~/robert/Desktop/newupdates >> >> and have everything pop does not give you. >> >> yes/no/maybe? > > > > Two things: first, AI

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/06/2012 06:19 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > My thanks to you and Craig for all of the work. Say "Hello" to the > cats for me. Welcome. I'll let them know They've already jumped back into bed. Smart cats. :-0 -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something comp

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 16:55 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > But it does seem a bit annoying to have restarting as a side effect of a > stray 'r' in Console 2. I suppose if you want a console, using Console > 3 would get around the issue. I think you are confusing ALT-CTRL-F2 with ALT-F2. No

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 14:27 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > configure windows so that they become active as soon as the mouse > enters them. For this, install gnome-tweak-tool. This will create an "Advanced Settings" application. When you start that, the Windows item will be there. --Greg --

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/05/2012 02:13:44 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/06/2012 05:37 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > Changing the third element of the IP address from '0' to '10' which > is > > how the IP address of mtranch is known to the rest of the world. > The > > > change appears (fingers crossed) to have reso

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/06/2012 05:37 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > Changing the third element of the IP address from '0' to '10' which is > how the IP address of mtranch is known to the rest of the world. The > change appears (fingers crossed) to have resolved the problem with > mounting. OK Everything works

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 14:37 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 01/05/2012 01:53 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 11:02 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >> On 01/05/2012 10:16 AM, Alan Evans wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >>> > > And wh

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:27:30 -0700 Paolo Galtieri wrote: > The first > allows me to configure windows so that they become active as soon as the > mouse enters them. Don't know about an app for setting this, but if you install gconf-editor (yes gconf, not dconf) and go to the apps settings for meta

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
Further news. This time good. T3RM1NVT0R at www.linuxquestions.org suggested this change in /etc/ exports on mtranch (server). /nfs4exports 192.168.0.0/24 (ro,sync,insecure,root_squash,no_subtree_check,fsid=0) /nfs4exports/home 192.168.0.0/24 (rw,nohide,sync,insecure,root_squash,no_subtree_check

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:32:21 +0100 Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:29:42AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 01/05/2012 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > >Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the > > >changes you made to gnome-shell. > > > > Wouldn't logging out and

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:47:01 +0100 Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:42:31PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > AH. After I thought about it, I thought this was the case. Kind of > > an Easter Egg thingee (for those of us not of Easter celebrants). > > GNOME 3.4 will have a real

Re: Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 14:27:30 -0700 Paolo Galtieri wrote: > I just installed F16 as a VM under VMware. After booting up and installing > all the updates I cannot find the 2 system config settings that are present > in F14. > > Specifically the Windows and Startup Applications config items. The f

Very frustrated with F16

2012-01-05 Thread Paolo Galtieri
I just installed F16 as a VM under VMware. After booting up and installing all the updates I cannot find the 2 system config settings that are present in F14. Specifically the Windows and Startup Applications config items. The first allows me to configure windows so that they become active as so

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
An error on my part. I discovered that the /home in mtranch's /etc/ export had been disabled. I reran the three service exports. Sorry for the confusion on my part. I'll try not to let it happen again. Jan 5 13:07:00 mtranch rpc.statd[4219]: Caught signal 15, un- registering and exiting Jan 5 1

Re: The software is not from a trusted source ???

2012-01-05 Thread Ville-Pekka Vainio
I think this is a bug in the new PackageKit version, PackageKit-0.6.21-1.fc16. I filed a bug report here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=772066 -- Ville-Pekka Vainio -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedo

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 11:11:18 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 02:59 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > > OK Trimming a bit. > > You are on the client...and you did a telnet to the client's port > 2049 > and you got a connection... > > > > > > On client (pvr) > > root@pvr[159]->telnet pvr 20

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 10:45:47 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 02:22 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > AFAIK you have the correct info -- sorry. Somehow I've done > something > > to confuse the server as to who's who. Any thoughts there? > > Well I'd first start off by not using hostnames for test

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 02:50 PM, g wrote: On 01/05/2012 07:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: <> I want to know that MY system has updates needed to apply, not there has been updates announced. This is what we have tools like YUM for. -=- then use yum to do your own update check; yum check-update se

Re: [389-users] Problem with ds setup

2012-01-05 Thread Guillaume Chanaud
Le 05/01/2012 18:58, Rich Megginson a écrit : On 01/05/2012 10:57 AM, Guillaume Chanaud wrote: Hi, same here, there is a segfault in http.worker. It's the mod_nss fault (like always..). This has happened before? Are there any bugs opened for this issue? Is this SELinux related? No it's no

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 11:50 AM, g wrote: you can use cron to run a script that redirects output; yum check-update> ~/robert/Desktop/newupdates and have everything pop does not give you. yes/no/maybe? Two things: first, AIUI, cron jobs run with the same permissions that the user who owns the jo

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread g
On 01/05/2012 07:39 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: <> > I want to know that MY system has updates needed to apply, not there has > been updates announced. This is what we have tools like YUM for. -=- then use yum to do your own update check; yum check-update see "man yum". you can use cron to

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:42:31PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > AH. After I thought about it, I thought this was the case. Kind of > an Easter Egg thingee (for those of us not of Easter celebrants). GNOME 3.4 will have a real easter egg (discovered it only by accident; I mean while reading g

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 02:35 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:16:09AM -0800, Alan Evans wrote: A *one* *letter* command to restart the shell?!? That seems like a horrible mis-feature, like something I might key in accidentally. You noticed this before or after my email? Suggest to try

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 11:01 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: But for those that switch off at night\day as the case may be. It's perfect and doesn't care which Desktop you run. I never said that it wasn't, just that it's not appropriate for everybody. And, AFAICT, yumex doesn't care what DE you use either. -

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 02:16 PM, g wrote: On 01/05/2012 02:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: <> If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important bug fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too. -=- if you want to know about updates, and not by a short time pop-up, i woul

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 02:01 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 05/01/12 18:46, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/05/2012 06:18 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Considering that I generally reboot only for kernel updates and otherwise let my box run 24/7 the way it was designed to, your suggestion really wouldn't work for me, or

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 01:53 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 11:02 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/05/2012 10:16 AM, Alan Evans wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: And what, pray tell, does 'r' do? restart gnome-shell (keeps existing applications; state

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 01:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/05/2012 06:18 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: You can always use something like: yum-updateonboot with config set to security. So everytime, you boot\reboot security updates are installed. works best with network.service [joe@khorlia Desktop]$ uptime 10:4

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:16:09AM -0800, Alan Evans wrote: > A *one* *letter* command to restart the shell?!? That seems like a > horrible mis-feature, like something I might key in accidentally. You noticed this before or after my email? Suggest to try it before becoming emotional. > Did develo

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 01:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/05/2012 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the changes you made to gnome-shell. Wouldn't logging out and back in be sufficient? Not when you have 20 copies of firefox open each with half a dozen t

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:29:42AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/05/2012 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the > >changes you made to gnome-shell. > > Wouldn't logging out and back in be sufficient? Of course. Just responding to his email wher

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-05 Thread M. Fioretti
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 18:34:42 PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 05.01.2012, M. Fioretti wrote: > > > As far as "Linda" is concerned, she (?) really, really felt to me > > from the very first moment as nobody else than the K. Larsen guy > > who messed up around here and on Ubuntu lists till one o

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread g
On 01/05/2012 02:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: <> > If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important > bug fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too. -=- if you want to know about updates, and not by a short time pop-up, i would suggest you opt for a long tim

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/01/12 18:46, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/05/2012 06:18 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Considering that I generally reboot only for kernel updates and otherwise let my box run 24/7 the way it was designed to, your suggestion really wouldn't work for me, or others like me. But for those that switch o

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 11:02 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 01/05/2012 10:16 AM, Alan Evans wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > > >>> And what, pray tell, does 'r' do? > >> restart gnome-shell (keeps existing applications; state is not perfectly > >> preserved).

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 06:18 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: You can always use something like: yum-updateonboot with config set to security. So everytime, you boot\reboot security updates are installed. works best with network.service [joe@khorlia Desktop]$ uptime 10:43:45 up 5 days, 23:24, 2 users, load av

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
No dice for updates... On 01/05/2012 09:58 AM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 09:15 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/05/2012 09:01 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: Where is it with f16/G3? What is "G3"? I once saw that p

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 03:57 AM, Tim wrote: I participate in no web forums, because they're such a pain. And I've yet to see a single one to convince me otherwise. And as long as you never look, you never will. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription op

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/05/2012 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the changes you made to gnome-shell. Wouldn't logging out and back in be sufficient? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin

Re: [389-users] Problem with ds setup

2012-01-05 Thread Rich Megginson
On 01/05/2012 10:57 AM, Guillaume Chanaud wrote: Hi, same here, there is a segfault in http.worker. It's the mod_nss fault (like always..). This has happened before? Are there any bugs opened for this issue? Is this SELinux related? So here is the solution to get it working : In /etc/dirsr

Re: [389-users] Problem with ds setup

2012-01-05 Thread Rich Megginson
On 01/05/2012 04:49 AM, Israel Nelken wrote: tried the packages from the testing repos. Still doesn't work. The relevant lines from the log file: Starting admin server . . . output: Job failed. See system logs and 'systemctl status' for details. Could not start the admin server. Error: 256 Faile

Re: [389-users] Problem with ds setup

2012-01-05 Thread Guillaume Chanaud
Hi, same here, there is a segfault in http.worker. It's the mod_nss fault (like always..). So here is the solution to get it working : In /etc/dirsrv/admin-serv/httpd.conf Comment lines : LoadModule nss_module /usr/lib64/httpd/modules/libmodnss.so Include /etc/dirsrv/admin-serv/nss.co

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-05 Thread Mike Chambers
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 05:38 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: > As far as "Linda" is concerned, she (?) really, really felt to me from > the very first moment as nobody else than the K. Larsen guy who messed > up around here and on Ubuntu lists till one or two years ago, with > another address. But this i

Re: [Bulk] Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Steve Searle
Around 03:17pm on Thursday, January 05, 2012 (UK time), William Case scrawled: > Now, how do you download and install a new extension from here? > Anything I have read is out of the dark ages involving torture and > incantations with 'git' and 'make'. There has to be a more modern and > sophistic

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-05 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 05.01.2012, M. Fioretti wrote: > As far as "Linda" is concerned, she (?) really, really felt to me from > the very first moment as nobody else than the K. Larsen guy who messed > up around here and on Ubuntu lists till one or two years ago, with > another address. Threads like this are comple

Re: [Bulk] Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:17:55AM -0500, William Case wrote: > Now, how do you download and install a new extension from here? > Anything I have read is out of the dark ages involving torture and > incantations with 'git' and 'make'. There has to be a more modern and > sophisticated way. There s

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-05 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/5/2012 4:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: You might be surprised. For some of us, the first question is "how can I do this with the Shell?" Only if the answer is "you can't", or "it would be too slow", do we resort to programming. The whole Unix toolkit philosophy is based on this, or at l

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 10:16 AM, Alan Evans wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: And what, pray tell, does 'r' do? restart gnome-shell (keeps existing applications; state is not perfectly preserved). Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the changes you made to gn

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 09:58 AM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 09:15 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 01/05/2012 09:01 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: Where is it with f16/G3? What is "G3"? I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 09:30 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:02:28 +0800, EG (Ed) wrote: On 01/05/2012 10:01 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: Where is it with f16/G3? What is "G3"? GNOME 3 Ouch. :) It's not so cool IMO to inve

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 09:18 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 05/01/12 14:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote: If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important bug fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too. You can always use something like: yum-updateonboot with config set to secu

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Pete Travis
On Jan 5, 2012 8:16 AM, "Alan Evans" wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > >> And what, pray tell, does 'r' do? > > > > restart gnome-shell (keeps existing applications; state is not perfectly > > preserved). Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the >

Re: [Bulk] Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread William Case
Thanks Olav; On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 22:10 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:04:16PM -0500, William Case wrote: > > How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand > > corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different > > answer. How do

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Alan Evans
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> And what, pray tell, does 'r' do? > > restart gnome-shell (keeps existing applications; state is not perfectly > preserved). Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the > changes you made to gnome-shell. A *one* *letter* comman

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 09:15 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 01/05/2012 09:01 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: > > > >> Where is it with f16/G3? > > What is "G3"? > > > >> I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen >

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:02:28 +0800, EG (Ed) wrote: > On 01/05/2012 10:01 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: > > > >> Where is it with f16/G3? > > What is "G3"? > > GNOME 3 Ouch. :) It's not so cool IMO to invent abbreviations like that without

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/01/12 14:21, Ed Greshko wrote: You can always use something like: yum-updateonboot with config set to security. So everytime, you boot\reboot security updates are installed. works best with network.service I don't use GNOME But, how does that suggestion help folks that don't reboo

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-05 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 09:16 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 04.01.2012 22:10, schrieb g: >> On 01/04/2012 07:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote: >> <> >> >>> Not yet, but can't wait to say, apply for a job, or a loan, and have >>> someone google me and this shows up. >> -=- >> >> i did, just for more laughs, look

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 10:18 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 05/01/12 14:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> >> If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important bug >> fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too. > > You can always use something like: > yum-updateonboot > with confi

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/01/12 14:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote: If there are updates, I want to know about it. If they are important bug fixes or critical security fixes I want to know that too. You can always use something like: yum-updateonboot with config set to security. So everytime, you boot\reboot security

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/05/2012 09:01 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: Where is it with f16/G3? What is "G3"? I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen saying something about updates available. But if that all there is, who watches th

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 10:01 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: > >> Where is it with f16/G3? > What is "G3"? GNOME 3 -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:30:01 -0500, RM (Robert) wrote: > Where is it with f16/G3? What is "G3"? > I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen > saying something about updates available. > > But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time What exactl

Re: Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:30:01AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Where is it with f16/G3? > > I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen > saying something about updates available. > > But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time Granted, the pop

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 11:29:38PM +1030, Tim wrote: > There's two paragraphs, the first one just says "this," with no > indication what the hell it's referring to. There's a whole list of File a bug and attach a patch. Pretty sure improvements are welcome. Lots of the comments I write in source

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:29:38 +1030, T (Tim) wrote: > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:46 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > my god it refers to the "# metadata_expire=90m" as > > usually comment blocks are before the setting they > > describe > > > > maybe you should read a comment-block from > > start to e

Re: CDrom popup alert

2012-01-05 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:32:45AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > When I put a music CDrom in, I get a popup at the bottom of the > screen asking if I want to start rythembox of a browser, well I had > k3b open to copy the CD, so I tried to from this dialog but > nothing I did seem to make it g

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2012 13:59, schrieb Tim: > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:46 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> my god it refers to the "# metadata_expire=90m" as >> usually comment blocks are before the setting they >> describe >> >> maybe you should read a comment-block from >> start to end beofre calling thing

CDrom popup alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
When I put a music CDrom in, I get a popup at the bottom of the screen asking if I want to start rythembox of a browser, well I had k3b open to copy the CD, so I tried to from this dialog but nothing I did seem to make it go away. There is no cancel button like in the old dialog box. How is

Yum update/bug alert

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Where is it with f16/G3? I once saw that poor excuse of a popup at the bottom of the screen saying something about updates available. But if that all there is, who watches there screen all the time -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 12:46 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > my god it refers to the "# metadata_expire=90m" as > usually comment blocks are before the setting they > describe > > maybe you should read a comment-block from > start to end beofre calling things "useless" Well, actually, maybe file com

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 16:59 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Somehow I just never hit the need for using the shell above and beyond > a > quick whack to get me through something that couldn't be done with a > programming language. Its one of those things that I would regret not > having picked

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:06 -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote: > An interesting little ditty, if you don't know it. Steve Bourne > really > loved ALGOL. So much so that he wrote the original shell *in* > ALGOL...kind > of. It was ostensibly 'C'...but he created an entire set of #defines > to > allow him t

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2012-01-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 03:39 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 05.01.2012 03:02, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:01, Patrick O'Callaghan > > wrote: > >> Understanding how the file abstraction works is to my mind a question of > >> basic culture around here. As a piece of e

Re: Moving to Forums (was Re: [Linda's mistake about a] Software Package..?

2012-01-05 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 09:09 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > is there a real .fm TLD? The answer is yes, but type this whois command (see below) into a command line, likewise for any domain or top-level-domain, to find the answer to such questions: whois fm -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 3.1.5-6.fc1

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-05 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Maybe it is my ignorance, but I find it much more time-consuming > to navigate through a forum than to skim through a newsgroup/mailing > list. No, I agree with your sentiment. Forums are rarely well-organised, just a hoshposh of posting

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-05 Thread DRSp.
Am Mittwoch, den 04.01.2012, 22:16 +0100 schrieb Reindl Harald: > > Am 04.01.2012 22:10, schrieb g: > > > > On 01/04/2012 07:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote: > > <> > > > >> Not yet, but can't wait to say, apply for a job, or a loan, and have > >> someone google me and this shows up. > > -=- > > > > i

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
my god it refers to the "# metadata_expire=90m" as usually comment blocks are before the setting they describe maybe you should read a comment-block from start to end beofre calling things "useless" Am 05.01.2012 12:40, schrieb Tim: > Hi, > > Do others have this yum.conf file on F16 (see attache

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/01/12 11:40, Tim wrote: Hi, Do others have this yum.conf file on F16 (see attached), and know what it refers to by the *useless* description of "this," as in the "This is the default" comment? metadata_expire=90m Metadata expiry, same as yum clean metadata metadata_expire= in individua

yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Tim
Hi, Do others have this yum.conf file on F16 (see attached), and know what it refers to by the *useless* description of "this," as in the "This is the default" comment? [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum/$basearch/$releasever keepcache=0 debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log exactarch=1 obsoletes=1 g

Re: 24 hour time showing when AM/PM setting

2012-01-05 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/04/2012 11:54 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: OK. NOW what is Gnome doing??? Settings show that I have selected AM/PM for time, it was showing AM/PM previously but now the time in the middle of the top line is in 24 hr time. ? Well I did a restart of gnome shell for the assistan

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