03.12.2011, 13:48, "Sam Varshavchik" :
> It's not that stuff has merely changed. It's that the stuff has changed,
> major parts of existing functionality were removed without having any
> functional replacements
There is no arguing that the new GNOME 3 is a significant change. But what you
had
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 02:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC
>> style software. That will change.
>
> Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a
> spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a d
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 21:34 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
> >> On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
> >>> As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
> >>> see what undoubtedly passes for ad
On 12/04/2011 07:43 PM, John Pilkington wrote:
> On 04/12/11 06:38, david walcroft wrote:
>> On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote:
I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium
and completes it's
On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 08:55 +1030, Tim wrote:
> > Now I don't know how things are progressing in your neck of the woods in
> > Australia but in America, the various tablets are jumping off the
> > shelves like hotcakes. Coming on the heels of the successes of the
> > netbooks indicates that the pu
Alan Cox wrote:
> I've been playing with 3.2 a bit today an F16.
>
[...snip...]
> I still think the biggest mistake was calling it "Gnome". It's
> something quite different and they'd have upset a lot less people if
> they'd not tried to pretend it was the same experience as Gnome.
>
That
Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
>> On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to
>>> see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like
>>> impudent children stammering
On Sunday 04 December 2011 12:21:44 Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/04/2011 11:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > Gnome3 provides a desktop for that vast majority of ignorant people who
> > want a zero-slope learning curve between the smartphone, TV, computer,
> > car and microwave oven.
>
> "Anything
> wo
On 11/27/2011 06:13 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Again, I'd suggest uninstalling the most recent kernel, and reinstalling
> it, in order to regenerate the initrd, and the grub menu item for it,
> afresh.
I used yumex to do a full update on my laptop, having it remove the most
recent kernel as wel
> [1]Jerry Pournelle, who (along with Larry Niven) predicted pocket
> computers in *The Mote In God's Eye,* and *The Gripping Hand,* is
> thrilled to see his prediction come true so soon.
In 1974... the handheld calculator already being with us in 1967 and
Moores law already stated. Star Trek wa
On 12/04/2011 01:40 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
>> Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
>> GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
> If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you w
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:35 +, Alan Cox wrote:
> It's also getting closer to the point a microprojector will fit into
> phone or tablet - now that will have fun opportunities !
I've seen one stuck into a video camera, so that you can watch what you
shot without having to figure out how the hel
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:52 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> I even did not have NetworkManager installed (can not see any reason
> for that on a system that is stationary and have static IP_addresses).
Other than, perhaps, it to automatically notice when you're plugged and
unplugged from the ne
Craig White:
> Don't assume that input options remain static or aren't being improved
> upon continually. For example, Ice Cream Sandwich implements continuous
> speech processing including punctuation which represents a real option
> for many.
It's the first thing that springs to mind, as an easy
Tim:
>> Even with devices designed for the businessman to do things like
>> that, such as the Blackberry, it's inadequate for the task. I've sat
>> next to them eeking out an email, and anything more than about two
>> sentences is a major chore.
>
Alan Cox:
> You need to watch a 14 year old not a
On 12/04/2011 07:44 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 4 December 2011 11:22, Ian Malone wrote:
3. If at this point after rebooting nouveau is still starting then I'm
really stumped. The log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be useful. You
could also capture the dmesg information (the kernel messages) by
On 12/04/2011 01:42 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I get your point, you´re complaining about Gnome3 being the default. I
> hear you, loud and clear, no need to shoot the messenger if you don´t
> like someone´s opinions. :)
It looks to me as though he's not so much complaining about Gnome3 being
th
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 17:49, Reindl Harald wrote:
> you do NOT WANT to understand me
YES I DO. ;)
> but it is dumb to make a desktop DEFAULT which ignores real
> computers!
I get your point, you´re complaining about Gnome3 being the default. I
hear you, loud and clear, no need to shoot the mes
Am 04.12.2011 21:05, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 15:59, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> what did you exactly not understand in "the percent does not matter"
>> all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and
>> powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now
>
> Th
On 12/04/2011 12:05 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Rest assured, nobody will be taking your XFCE and KDE desktops from
> you, if you want to use them on a traditional PC.
>
> But IMHO it´s desirable to see Linux moving into these new grounds.
Exactly. I have no objection to seeing Linux move into t
4dec2011
I am getting major "Read-only" errors trying to backup
my f14 system [on external USB partition sda8],
which still seems to behave ok,
to my 2nd scsi disk onto partition sdc7.
I imagine this means the scsi sdc is going bad,
but how to determine that vs a trashed system file?
sdc7 writ
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 15:59, Reindl Harald wrote:
> what did you exactly not understand in "the percent does not matter"
> all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and
> powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now
The percentage DOES matter in terms of GROWTH and MIND SHAR
On 12/04/2011 11:26 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Gnome3 provides a desktop for that vast majority of ignorant people who want a
> zero-slope learning curve between the smartphone, TV, computer, car and
> microwave oven.
Friday night, I was talking with writer John DeChancie. He was
interested in
On Sunday 04 December 2011 19:59:38 Reindl Harald wrote:
> all this counts will not change the fact that workstations and
> powerusers will exist in 10 years as they do now
>
> and this is why it is wrong to design defaults only having
> smartphones and tabs in mind - ther are people which do much
Michael D. Setzer II napsal(a):
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/
>
> Not sure if that is what you are looking for?
>
> On 4 Dec 2011 at 17:47, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>
> Date sent:Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:47:42 +0100
> From: Frantisek Hanzlik
> To:
Am 04.12.2011 19:19, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 22:50, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> this is nonsense
>>
>> the percent does not matter since nearly everybody has a smartphone which is
>> permanently online, but this does not mean that all these people are only
>> using a smar
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 22:50, Reindl Harald wrote:
> this is nonsense
>
> the percent does not matter since nearly everybody has a smartphone which is
> permanently online, but this does not mean that all these people are only
> using a smartphone or tab which will not happen
> not now, not in 3
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 14:01 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Mike Chambers wrote:
> > Anyone tell me what to install to get screensaver setup in gnome3?
> > Specifically to use slide show and my own picture folder?
>
> GNOME 3 no longer includes built-in screens
On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 18:50 -0500, John Aldrich wrote:
> Ok, for some reason (probably because I'm using an old KVM switch) my Fedora
> 16 system is not detecting what monitor I have and is refusing to give me a
> usable resolution. I have a Dell E2210H wide-screen monitor and it's capable
> of
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/
Not sure if that is what you are looking for?
On 4 Dec 2011 at 17:47, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
Date sent: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:47:42 +0100
From: Frantisek Hanzlik
To: Fedora users
Subject:
AT last I had the opportunity to fully upgrade f14 TO f16 via DVD.
There were not problems reported during upgrade.
Upon reboot (which took forever), I never got the gnome login
screen. Screen remains blank (black).
I believe it may have to do with my video card (old Radeon Mobility 9600).
This doe
On 4 December 2011 17:17, Aaron Gray wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Installed F16 and TFTP is working correctly now which is nice:)
>
> Had problems with xinetd and tftpd on F14 and F15, had to use a work
> around directly calling tftpd deamon.
>
> Now I am having problems with my second ethernet controller as
Hi,
Installed F16 and TFTP is working correctly now which is nice:)
Had problems with xinetd and tftpd on F14 and F15, had to use a work around
directly calling tftpd deamon.
Now I am having problems with my second ethernet controller as I am trying
to set it up to be a gateway.
Normal Ethernet
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 08:34 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:40 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> > On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> > > Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> > > GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in F
Know anyone where are now website/maillists archives/sources
of Linux PAM?
Latest, several days old Fedora package
"pam-1.1.5-1.fc16.src.rpm" shows URL
http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/index.html
but this server does not exist.
Thanks, Franta Hanzlik
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On 12/04/2011 08:33 AM, Vishnupradeep wrote:
> It is happening many times. Pls help. How can i solve this problem.
>
>
> Linux Blog: http://xtreme-linux.blogspot.com/
> Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/
> My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at
On 4 Dec 2011, at 10:56, Scott van Looy wrote:
> Am perplexed and confused :)
So I force removed bash and then reinstalled everything that dracut depends on
and then reinstalled dracut and that seems to have fixed it.
Fun Sunday morning for me :)
Thanks for your help!
Scott
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On 12/04/2011 03:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> In Firefox go to "about:config" and set network.manage-offline-status to
> false
>
> In Thunderbird set toolkit.networkmanger.disable to true
Nice! That sounds like the correct things to toggle, I'll test it at
work tomorrow.
Thanks!
Lars
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On 12/04/2011 03:34 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Where does one find System info? I can't find it.
Left click on your name in the upper right corner of the screen.
Chose 'Systems Settings'
Chose 'System Info'
Chose 'Graphics'
There you have a toggle for 'Forced Fallback Mode'
To add things to the p
On Saturday 03 December 2011 18:50:57 John Aldrich wrote:
> Ok, for some reason (probably because I'm using an old KVM switch) my Fedora
> 16 system is not detecting what monitor I have and is refusing to give me a
> usable resolution. I have a Dell E2210H wide-screen monitor and it's
> capable of
On 4 December 2011 11:22, Ian Malone wrote:
>
> 3. If at this point after rebooting nouveau is still starting then I'm
> really stumped. The log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be useful. You
> could also capture the dmesg information (the kernel messages) by
> doing:
> dmesg > dmesg-out.txt
> If
O> Though, only if you are doing *BASIC* email. Just try something more
> complicated, and you'll soon find using a midget gadget just isn't going
> to cut the mustard. Scads of mail, threaded properly, etc. There just
> isn't the screen real estate, to start with. Then try writing a long
> ema
It is happening many times. Pls help. How can i solve this problem.
Linux Blog: http://xtreme-linux.blogspot.com/
Fedora Blog: http://xtreme-fedora.blogspot.com/
My Blog: http://sharedonweb.blogspot.com/
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Vishnupradeep
wrote:
> Sometime the network devices
On 12/04/2011 05:52 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> At work I have a system with static interface addresses. I.e. I have set
> the IP-numbers outside of NetworkManager, I even did not have
> NetworkManager installed (can not see any reason for that on a system
> that is stationary and have stati
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 10:40 +0100, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> > Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> > GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
>
> If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'Sy
> It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe
> this is why the devs put the icons down the side, gotta be some reason.
> There's room for both. I couldn't do blender, Inkscape, Scribus or
> Drupal on a tablet, touch screen or not.
Most tablets orient either way, even
Ian Malone wrote:
> If you do
> lsmod |grep nouveau
> Do you still see the nouveau module?
> Does
> lsmod |grep nv
> Show the old nv module or nvidia?
>
Ian Malone wrote:
> It looks like nouveau is still being loaded. If you can post the
> /etc/X11/xorg.org file and /var/log/Xorg.0.log that might
On 3 Dec 2011, at 21:57, Scott Doty wrote:
> On 12/03/2011 12:14 PM, Scott van Looy wrote:
>> On 3 Dec 2011, at 15:56, Scott Doty wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote:
Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1?
>>> My system has:
>>>
>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root r
At work I have a system with static interface addresses. I.e. I have set
the IP-numbers outside of NetworkManager, I even did not have
NetworkManager installed (can not see any reason for that on a system
that is stationary and have static IP_addresses).
Since I upgraded this system from Fedora
On 04/12/11 06:38, david walcroft wrote:
> On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote:
>> On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote:
>>> I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium
>>> and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This
On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you will get
something that resembles Gnome2 (Gnome3 with m
On 12/03/2011 09:40 AM, JB wrote:
> Even with a total rewrite of GNOME code base, they could choose to offer
> GNOME2-like GUI on top of it as a still *default* DE in Fedora, while
If you chose the 'Forced Fallback Mode' in 'System info' you will get
something that resembles Gnome2 (Gnome3 with m
On 04/12/11 04:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Protests about top-posting are usually accompanied by exhortations to
> trim quotes to what is relevant.
>
> poc
>
+1, Similar to this
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On 11/27/2011 06:13 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Again, I'd suggest uninstalling the most recent kernel, and reinstalling
> it, in order to regenerate the initrd, and the grub menu item for it,
> afresh.
More info, now that I've had the time to play with my laptop. First,
the kernel in question
On 12/03/2011 11:39 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> On 3 Dec 2011 at 23:01, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>
>> Did it work?
> Tried to do an upgrade from the DVD and it also failed.
> Removed the preupgrade downloaded stuff, and it failed again.
> Did a new install and it worked, but this was just a t
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