Re: kernel

2011-01-20 Thread Dan Catana
Hi, you have try to run yum list |grep kernel and then yum install kerner_version you want to install ? On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:06 AM, mattias wrote: > how to change kernel? > i now run a pae kernel > i cant find any other with yum > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org >

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/20/2011 11:11 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > As i said (or not?), I have no screen at all - so there are no logon > screen, after boot I got an black empty nothing. Backlit is on but no > graphical UI at all. So, how can I set up from grub only an command > line boot-in till terminal logon? Why i

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/20/2011 11:20 PM, Frank Cox wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:11:49 +0100 > Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > >> So, how can I set up from grub only an command >> line boot-in till terminal logon? Why is no fallback possibility? > > Hit e at the grub prompt, then add a 1 to the end of the commandline. >

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Frank Cox
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:11:49 +0100 Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > So, how can I set up from grub only an command > line boot-in till terminal logon? Why is no fallback possibility? Hit e at the grub prompt, then add a 1 to the end of the commandline. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ www.melvilleth

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
2011/1/21 Joe Zeff : > On 01/20/2011 10:53 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: >> Well... I have never did such before... But... Currently I don't know >> how to boot only in with terminal Maybe could you lend a hand in >> this? > >  From the logon screen (which should work as X isn't running at that > po

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/20/2011 10:53 PM, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > Well... I have never did such before... But... Currently I don't know > how to boot only in with terminal Maybe could you lend a hand in > this? From the logon screen (which should work as X isn't running at that point) use Crtl-Alt-F2 to get to

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Hi, Well... I have never did such before... But... Currently I don't know how to boot only in with terminal Maybe could you lend a hand in this? Btw, I have discovered that after Xorg update an new kernel error message has appeared as " shpchp cannot register mmio blaba" and after i have

Re: Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread fedora
yum downgrade package might evtl help? suomi On 2011-01-21 07:12, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed the original factory driver from ATi, what is worked > until I have received the Xorg update. This bugfix update has broken > the output (only receive an black screen), and I would

Installed ATI driver removal after Xorg update

2011-01-20 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Hi, I have installed the original factory driver from ATi, what is worked until I have received the Xorg update. This bugfix update has broken the output (only receive an black screen), and I would like to restore the original screen. Please suggest somekind of solution - what are the possibilitie

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread James McKenzie
On 1/20/11 2:30 PM, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: > On 20/01/2011 11:36 πμ, Tim wrote: >> On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 04:23 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: >>> Additionally, I note that quite a bit of the bandwidth on the >>> Fedora and CentOS echoes relate to SELinux making ordinary people >>> doing ordinary t

device naming (mentioned in Fedora Weekly News 259)

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 19:47 +, Adam Williamson wrote: > Next week sees the first Fedora 15 Test Day[1], on network device > naming changes upcoming in Fedora 15. On compatible systems, Fedora 15 > will use biosdevname[2] to name the network interfaces; this provides > a fully deterministic nami

Re: vmware workstation 7

2011-01-20 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 01:16 +0100, mattias wrote: > anyone use it in fc 13? > and boots real partitions? > i can't > permission isues > > Not using it now, but IIRC, the user needs to be in the disk group to run a raw-disk vm. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Scien

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
Tim: >> I really don't know why people have such grand problems with it. Kostas Sfakiotakis: > I could think of a million reasons . For example , let´s just say that > they don´t have an idea about what mandatory access control is and > how to live with it . For the average user, it shouldn't be

Re: Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t

2011-01-20 Thread hockeyrabbit
Thx. Robert. It is working now. -Original Message- From: Robert Arkiletian Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:44 AM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:35 PM, wrote: > well I have the same problem. actually the mice of both

vmware workstation 7

2011-01-20 Thread mattias
anyone use it in fc 13? and boots real partitions? i can't permission isues -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 01:20 +0300, Hiisi wrote: > Has anybody yet suggested using less or more in the same pipe? Yes, at least four people, about 8 hours before your posting. Is there something wrong with your mail? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private r

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 11:22 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > From talking to numerous novice users in the design of the site I'm > not convinced that a checksum file is something that novice users are > aware of or much concerned about. Ignorance is no excuse, as they old saying goes, and it's somethi

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 16:35 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > It uses the term "control" in the context of interactions between system's > > components, not security of the system. > > Security *is* a part of a set of interactions between system components. > It has to be able to mediate all sorts of co

kernel

2011-01-20 Thread mattias
how to change kernel? i now run a pae kernel i cant find any other with yum -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: Issues after preupgrade F13-F14

2011-01-20 Thread JB
Wade Hampton gmail.com> writes: > ... > 4) Lots of old packages were left on the system. I am trying to > remove them but this is taking a while I am using > package-cleanup --orphans >ofile then editing ofile and > feeding it to rpm -e $(cat ofile) > ... Would that help ? # y

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Hiisi
pe, 2011-01-21 kello 00:30 +0200, Johan Scheepers kirjoitti: > Good day, > > For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large > directory screen at a time. > > In a unix reference book I found ls -l | pg > pg not existing. > > Please some advice. > > Thanks > > Johan The p

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On 01/20/2011 05:23 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > yum install policycoreutils-sandbox Shouldn't this package be a dependency of the package policycoreutils-python (owner of sandbox)? -- Jorge -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https:/

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/20/2011 05:02 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 01/20/2011 04:23 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > > > If I want to run google chrome (say)- > > I tried this: > >mkdir -p sandbox-home/.config >rsync -av ~/.config/google-chrome ~/sandbox-home/.config > (1) Probably relevant - my de

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Máirín, 2011/1/20 Máirín Duffy : > Proposal - > > Mockup: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/verify/verify.png > I wanted to add something, I didn't find the verify link in the sidebar in the least bit difficult to find in the first place. However although your proposa

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/20/2011 04:23 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: If I want to run google chrome (say)- I tried this: mkdir -p sandbox-home/.config rsync -av ~/.config/google-chrome ~/sandbox-home/.config sandbox -X -t sandbox_web_t -H ~/sandbox-home /opt/google/chrome/chrome The window pops up and

Re: gdm

2011-01-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:49:35 +0100 "mattias" wrote: > I now run fedora 13 on my packard bell laptop and i love it > But how to run gdm as a service like in debian > Now i must first > Su mj > startx > See: http://fedorasolved.org/post-install-solutions/runlevel kevin signature.asc Descript

gdm

2011-01-20 Thread mattias
I now run fedora 13 on my packard bell laptop and i love it But how to run gdm as a service like in debian Now i must first Su mj startx -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidel

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: [...] > To be honest am not sure what are u talking about ? I was always under the > impression that pdf is just another form of document , ok with formating > pictures embedded , or whatever else . I didn´t knew that it actually > contained > code that could be execut

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Kostas Sfakiotakis
On 20/01/2011 11:36 πμ, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 04:23 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > > Additionally, I note that quite a bit of the bandwidth on the > > Fedora and CentOS echoes relate to SELinux making ordinary people > > doing ordinary things difficult. > > I really don't know why peop

F14, from runlevel 3 can't logout from X environment

2011-01-20 Thread jjletho67-arodef
Hi all, i think to have discovered a very strange bug on fedora 14, but i was not able to gather the attention of a developer yet, so i'm also posting here in the hope someone could investigate and solve it. briefly this is the problem: 1) Fedora 14 installed on a vmware virtual machine (but y

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/20/2011 04:23 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > yum install policycoreutils-sandbox > Perfect thank you ... works a treat!! gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelin

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Konstantin Svist
On 01/20/2011 02:30 PM, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large > directory screen at a time. > > In a unix reference book I found ls -l | pg > pg not existing. > > Please some advice. > > Thanks > > Johan Please check your comput

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/20/2011 04:17 PM, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: > < snip > > >>> Using evince would be an improvement, but I wouldn't trust it to >>> read PDFs that I thought had a significant chance of being >>> trojans. >> sandbox -X evince random.pdf >> >> On

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/20/2011 03:59 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 01/20/2011 02:07 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > >>> Using evince would be an improvement, but I wouldn't trust it to read PDFs >>> that I thought had a significant chance of being trojans. >> sandbox -X

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Kostas Sfakiotakis
< snip > > > Using evince would be an improvement, but I wouldn't trust it to > > read PDFs that I thought had a significant chance of being > > trojans. > sandbox -X evince random.pdf > > On Fedora or RHEL6, as a normal user would run the pdf with a locked > down sandbox. What exactly is san

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Kostas Sfakiotakis
On 20/01/2011 07:25 πμ, Mark Eggers wrote: < snip > > My thought is that if you need to run some extended commands as root, > open a shell and use the command line. You'll have all of your other > tools available as a normal user. > > Here's an approach to fixing Adobe Acrobat. Your mileage

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Kostas Sfakiotakis
On 20/01/2011 06:30 μμ, Alan Cox wrote: < snip > > Use an open source PDF reader, most of which always run with the > document untrusted in safe mode and don't implement some of the more > fun stuff in a PDF. Agreed . Well Adobe Reader was the one i got . If u know another one i would be happ

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/20/2011 02:07 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> Using evince would be an improvement, but I wouldn't trust it to read PDFs >> that I thought had a significant chance of being trojans. > sandbox -X evince random.pdf Hi Dan - on F14 I run this I get: /usr/bin/sandbox: /usr/share/sandbox/sandb

Re: Let's talk about HTTPS Everywhere

2011-01-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 23:38 +0300, Hiisi wrote: > to, 2011-01-20 kello 07:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan kirjoitti: > > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 17:22 +1100, Roger wrote: > > > Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of > > > reliable, well-engineered commercial software? > > >

Re: Let's talk about HTTPS Everywhere

2011-01-20 Thread Hiisi
to, 2011-01-20 kello 07:03 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan kirjoitti: > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 17:22 +1100, Roger wrote: > > Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of > > reliable, well-engineered commercial software? > > -- Matt Welsh > > > > Nup! We use a reliable,well-engi

Re: Fedora + BigBlueButton = win (multi conference chat, voice and video server for meetings/teachings)

2011-01-20 Thread Michael Cronenworth
valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > Is Fedora Devel or Board mailing list better for posting about this idea? Neither. If you wish to get BigBlueButton in Fedora you should read the Fedora Wiki pages[1] that describe how to do so. Michael [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_coll

Re: Fedora + BigBlueButton = win (multi conference chat, voice and video server for meetings/teachings)

2011-01-20 Thread Hiisi
to, 2011-01-20 kello 21:02 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com kirjoitti: > Is Fedora Devel or Board mailing list better for posting about this idea? > > > > And no, I don't get paid by BigBlueButton at all:P > > > > You should also consider BigBlueButton (http://bigbluebutton.org) if > > you want

Re: Fedora + BigBlueButton = win (multi conference chat, voice and video server for meetings/teachings)

2011-01-20 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
Is Fedora Devel or Board mailing list better for posting about this idea? On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:34 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Galls & Guys, > > you should have a look at BigBlueButton as a multi conference and > video server for your meetings/teachings (http://bigbluebutton.org

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/20/2011 11:43 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 17:52:37 +0200, > Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: >> >> Well the thing is that i wanted to read a manual in pdf format . You see >> there are a lot of them hanging around . So what d

Re: dmcrypt-luks version

2011-01-20 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:30:15 + > mike cloaked wrote: > >> I note that cryptsetup-luks version 1.2.0 has builds for rawhide at >> the moment, but for f14 the current version (and koji builds) are >> version 1.1.3 only. >> >> Does anyone kno

Re: determining sudo access

2011-01-20 Thread Donald Russell
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 15:07, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:34 -0800, Donald Russell wrote: > > In /etc/profile.d/local.sh I'd like to modify the PATH env variable to > > include /sbin /usr/sbin and /usr/local/sbin but only if the user has > > sudo access. > > Even if that person does ha

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread JB
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > ... > > I say once again, MORE complexity is LESS security. > > I'd like to see a mathematical proof of that, but I don't believe it's > ever been done. Intutively it is true which is why important systems are > kept simple. Unfortunately simple systems ar

Re: dmcrypt-luks version

2011-01-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:30:15 + mike cloaked wrote: > I note that cryptsetup-luks version 1.2.0 has builds for rawhide at > the moment, but for f14 the current version (and koji builds) are > version 1.1.3 only. > > Does anyone know if there is a chance that 1.2.0 will be built for f14 > befo

dmcrypt-luks version

2011-01-20 Thread mike cloaked
I note that cryptsetup-luks version 1.2.0 has builds for rawhide at the moment, but for f14 the current version (and koji builds) are version 1.1.3 only. Does anyone know if there is a chance that 1.2.0 will be built for f14 before f15 is released? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fe

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 11:53 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > > Proposal - > > > > Mockup: > > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/verify/verify.png > > Shouldn't the teddy bears be penguins? :-). > > On a more serious note: A lot of people (me for sure) like to know > what they

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread Tom Horsley
> Proposal - > > Mockup: > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/verify/verify.png Shouldn't the teddy bears be penguins? :-). On a more serious note: A lot of people (me for sure) like to know what they are getting into before they just blindly download something. I'd rather

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 17:52:37 +0200, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: > > Well the thing is that i wanted to read a manual in pdf format . You see > there are a lot of them hanging around . So what do i do ? Convert the > pdf to a more safe format ( by the way since u mention it , which is a > safe

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 11:22 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > There is a link to 'Verify download' on every one of the download pages > in the right-hand column. That being said, it doesn't appear on the > post-download splash and we would be happy to consider adding a link to > the verify page (http

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Alan Cox
> It uses the term "control" in the context of interactions between system's > components, not security of the system. Security *is* a part of a set of interactions between system components. It has to be able to mediate all sorts of complex interactions between components and decide which are per

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Alan Cox
> > Personally, I'd recommend not using acrobat reader. PDFs are more > > like executable programs than documents. So besides having to worry > > about bugs in acrobat reader (of which there have been plenty with > > security implications), you have to worry about valid PDFs doing > > things t

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 18:01 +, g wrote: > until some people get there heads out of their butts and put what is > needed on pages and cut out all the links, 'aunt tillie' can use a > torrent download, which is self checking. Grow up. ~m -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: CHECKSUM is not easily accessible on Fedora Download Page

2011-01-20 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi Armelius, On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 12:39 -0500, Armelius Cameron wrote: > Hello, > I know Fedora try to be more user friendly, and the website design that > points > to the various download options reflects that. But I think one signficant > thing > is missing: the CHECKSUM file is not easily

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread JB
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > ... Hi, Let's keep in mind that we talk about computer systems security. The terms of interest to me are innovation, variety, diversity, complexity. I think innovation does not need to mean complexity as a result of it. With regard to "law of necessary

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Kostas Sfakiotakis
On 20/01/2011 03:58 πμ, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 01:51:03 +0200, Kostas Sfakiotakis > wrote: < snip > > Personally, I'd recommend not using acrobat reader. PDFs are more > like executable programs than documents. So besides having to worry > about bugs in acrobat re

Re: F14 K3b and ISOs

2011-01-20 Thread John Pilkington
On 20/01/11 13:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 07:20 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: >> Tom Horsley wrote: >> Mind filing a bug someone? (both for k3b to use growiso by default, as well as against wodim for the big fail here). >>> I'll help make sure they both get at

Re: F14 K3b and ISOs

2011-01-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 07:20 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > Tom Horsley wrote: > > >> Mind filing a bug someone? (both for k3b to use growiso by default, as > >> well as against wodim for the big fail here). > > > >> I'll help make sure they both get attention. > > > > I filed this bug back when I f

Re: F14 K3b and ISOs

2011-01-20 Thread Rex Dieter
Tom Horsley wrote: >> Mind filing a bug someone? (both for k3b to use growiso by default, as >> well as against wodim for the big fail here). > >> I'll help make sure they both get attention. > > I filed this bug back when I first tried to burn a DVD on f14: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sho

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 01/20/2011 10:30 PM, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large > directory screen at a time. > > In a unix reference book I found ls -l | pg > pg not existing. > > Please some advice. > > Thanks > > Johan If you're looking f

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 00:30 +0200, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large > directory screen at a time. > > In a unix reference book I found ls -l | pg > pg not existing. > > Please some advice. > > Thanks > > Johan Isn't :

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Phil Savoie
On 01/20/2011 05:30 PM, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large > directory screen at a time. > > In a unix reference book I found ls -l | pg > pg not existing. > > Please some advice. > > Thanks > > Johan Johan, Please try

Re: command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Curt Stauffer
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Johan Scheepers wrote: > Good day, > > For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large > directory screen at a time. > > In a unix reference book I found  ls -l | pg > pg not existing. > > Please some advice. > > Thanks > > Johan How about: ls

command to display screen full at a time of a large directory

2011-01-20 Thread Johan Scheepers
Good day, For the life of me I can not remember the command to display large directory screen at a time. In a unix reference book I found ls -l | pg pg not existing. Please some advice. Thanks Johan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription op

Re: Let's talk about HTTPS Everywhere

2011-01-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 17:22 +1100, Roger wrote: > Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of > reliable, well-engineered commercial software? > -- Matt Welsh > > Nup! We use a reliable,well-engineered, reliable, non commercial operating > system instead. > R > Kindl

Wireless USB adapter for Fedora core 13

2011-01-20 Thread Suraj Polade
Hi,    I want to use Wireless USB adapter for the Desktop, i think it will be nice to have both 2.4 GHz & 5GHz Do you want 802.11n capabilites? (On both bands?) I don't know about this, I have DSL . size of adapter will not matter much to me, but it should be plug and play (USB)

wireless usb adapter for fedora core 13

2011-01-20 Thread Suraj Polade
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Re: Fedora 14 wallpaper license

2011-01-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/20/2011 01:55 PM, Aravindh M wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to know the license agreement under which the official > wallpaper of fedora 14 and its source (Kyle Baker's artwork) is > distributed. All of Fedora artwork and other content (except the Fedora Logos which is not used in the wallpaper)

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Alan Cox wrote: >> to access my machine at all. I don't run Apache, sshd, or any other >> server which would allow ingress to my machine. I've never have anyone >> even attempt to get root access but me. > > Most modern attacks are against web browsers so your logic is a bit > flawed. Not flawed,

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Alan Cox
> Additionally, I note that quite a bit of the bandwidth on the Fedora > and CentOS echoes relate to SELinux making ordinary people doing > ordinary things difficult. It's a complex subsystem, and I don't need So do file permissions, and people had the same moans about those when they came from DO

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Alan Cox
> It is a product of academics employed by NSA, and so of questionable practical > use for people who are dealing with system admin and security issues on daily > basis. Not exactly. It's the product of sixty years of work on security models in all sorts of areas. This particular implementation wa

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread JB
Mike McCarty sbcglobal.net> writes: > ... > Additionally, I note that quite a bit of the bandwidth on the Fedora > and CentOS echoes relate to SELinux making ordinary people doing > ordinary things difficult. It's a complex subsystem, and I don't need > more complexity on my machine, either just

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Alan Cox
> to access my machine at all. I don't run Apache, sshd, or any other > server which would allow ingress to my machine. I've never have anyone > even attempt to get root access but me. Most modern attacks are against web browsers so your logic is a bit flawed. > Perhaps you should investigate LFS

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > > I really don't know why people have such grand problems with it. I > don't. Not even when I run various servers. I strongly suspect it's > because they're doing daft things with their computer, in the first > place, then following bad advice to resolve it. That is certainly a po

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 04:11 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > >> Not exactly a login, but sometimes necessary. Booting in single >> user mode. It's effectively logged in as root, and sometimes >> necessary for some system maintenance. > > Well, it is a login... I should have been more ex

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 04:23 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Additionally, I note that quite a bit of the bandwidth on the Fedora > and CentOS echoes relate to SELinux making ordinary people doing > ordinary things difficult. I really don't know why people have such grand problems with it. I don't.

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 04:11 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > Not exactly a login, but sometimes necessary. Booting in single > user mode. It's effectively logged in as root, and sometimes > necessary for some system maintenance. Well, it is a login... I should have been more explicit and talked abou

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike McCarty wrote: [...] > I can't think of anything that SELinux provides that I want enough > to load thousands of lines of code concealing defects. Sorry, misworded that. That should say containing undiscovered defects. Additionally, I note that quite a bit of the bandwidth on the Fedora an

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > > You're only thinking of problems due to incoming networking connections. > That's only a small part of the equation. For me, the entire equation boils down to whether I'm in control of what gets loaded on my machine, or someone else is. With Red Hat products, I'm not in control. I

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 01:37 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: > I see no need for SELinux on what is, while potentially multi user, > essentially single user system. I run behind two (count 'em) two > hardware firewalls both of them doing NAT. I've never had one, > not even one, IP tables violation. You'

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Mike McCarty
Tim wrote: > Best advice: Stop it, get out of the habit. I can't really think of > any occasion where it's truly needed. Yes, I gave an example where I Not exactly a login, but sometimes necessary. Booting in single user mode. It's effectively logged in as root, and sometimes necessary for some

Re: SELinux

2011-01-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 02:49 +0200, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: > Well i do usually login as root , i have been doing so for the last > few years , ok i know it´s not the best thing to do but let´s say it´s > just a bad habbit. Best advice: Stop it, get out of the habit. I can't really think of any

kde 4.5.5: some jerkiness F13

2011-01-20 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
Hello, just updated kde to 4.5.5 on my Fedora 13 and going to test something about the progress. Not tested very much, but it seems quite good as look and feel and general organization. Some sudden showstoppers are: - I'm usually using kmail in gnome and it seems it is far more fluid in gnome tha

Fedora 14 wallpaper license

2011-01-20 Thread Aravindh M
Hi, I wanted to know the license agreement under which the official wallpaper of fedora 14 and its source (Kyle Baker's artwork) is distributed. Please help, Thanking you, M. Aravindh -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin