Re: F13: What are these kernel messages?

2010-09-21 Thread JB
Daniel B. Thurman cdkkt.com> writes: > > On 09/19/2010 10:49 PM, JB wrote: > > Daniel B. Thurman cdkkt.com> writes: > > > >> ... > >> Sep 18 10:34:15 kernel: DeQueueRunning[0]= TRUE! > >> > >> I get these messages quite often and would like to > >> know why the kernel is spitting out these m

Re:[RESOLVED] Screen Resolution in Fedora 13 on Intel i915 Chipset

2010-09-21 Thread Samuel Kidman
Hello Thanks for all of your responses, however the problem seems to have gone away again. I think the issue initially stemmed from plugging my computer into a 720p HDTV via VGA while the mode was still set to 1680x1050, so I'll raise this issue again with more detail if it comes up after doing t

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Miles
JD wrote: > > On 09/21/2010 07:00 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > >>On 09/21/2010 06:22 PM, Michael Miles wrote: >> >>> Nvidia 9400 Gt >>> >> Since Celestia is graphics intensive, you might >> want to check this out. I've read there were >> some problems associated with Nvidia

Re: Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Eggers
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:26:11 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > Flash version 10.1.85.3 > xfce4 window manager > 32 bit kernel (as shown in the Xorg.0.log below) After a bit of searching, nothing jumps out at me, but I've had no experience with ATI cards. I've seen some similar crashes reported on the

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 07:00 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 09/21/2010 06:22 PM, Michael Miles wrote: >> Nvidia 9400 Gt > Since Celestia is graphics intensive, you might > want to check this out. I've read there were > some problems associated with Nvidia drivers... > (being proprietary) but I coul

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 06:48 PM, fred smith wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:39:49PM -0700, Michael Miles wrote: >> JD wrote: >>> On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: >>> JD wrote: > On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > > >> Hi all >> >> I have recent

Re: F13: What are these kernel messages?

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 04:34 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 09/19/2010 10:53 PM, JD wrote: >> On 09/19/2010 10:49 PM, JB wrote: >>> Daniel B. Thurman cdkkt.com> writes: >>> ... Sep 18 10:34:15 kernel: DeQueueRunning[0]= TRUE! I get these messages quite often and would like t

Re: Root File System Maxed Out

2010-09-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 9/21/10, earlsco...@comcast.net wrote: > I am a new user to Fedora. >  > I ran the latest updates and pulled 404 updates. One of the updates > stated it needs more room on the root file system in order to download > it. > > The root file system is maxed otu at 3.3gb in size. How do I ge

Re: Root File System Maxed Out

2010-09-21 Thread Marvin Kosmal
On 9/21/10, earlsco...@comcast.net wrote: > > > I am a new user to Fedora. > > > > I ran the latest updates and pulled 404 updates. One of the updates stated > it needs more room on the root file system in order to download it. > > > > The root file system is maxed otu at 3.3gb in size. How do I g

Re: Root File System Maxed Out

2010-09-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 00:36:13 +, earlsco...@comcast.net wrote: > > > The root file system is maxed otu at 3.3gb in size. How do I get free space > without messing up my Fedora? I made an initial 40gb partition and still have > 34gb to use. Does Fedora consider each file folder a differ

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/21/2010 06:22 PM, Michael Miles wrote: > Nvidia 9400 Gt Since Celestia is graphics intensive, you might want to check this out. I've read there were some problems associated with Nvidia drivers... (being proprietary) but I could be wrong. I personally had problems with Nvidia way back the

Fwd: Re: Wine , No Network connection

2010-09-21 Thread James McKenzie
Forwarding to list. The OP can use Firefox from Linux. James McKenzie Original Message Subject:Re: Wine , No Network connection Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:06:13 -0400 From: Jim To: James Mckenzie On 09/21/2010 11:48 AM, James Mckenzie wrote: > Jim wr

Re: Root File System Maxed Out

2010-09-21 Thread James McKenzie
On 9/21/10 5:36 PM, earlsco...@comcast.net wrote: > > I am a new user to Fedora. > > I ran the latest updates and pulled 404 updates. One of the updates > stated it needs more room on the root file system in order to download it. > > The root file system is maxed otu at 3.3gb in size. How do I g

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread fred smith
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:39:49PM -0700, Michael Miles wrote: > JD wrote: > > > > On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > > > >> JD wrote: > >> > >>> On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hi all > > I have recently installed Celestia Spa

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Miles
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 09/21/2010 03:39 PM, Michael Miles wrote: > >> JD wrote: >> >>> On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: >>> >>> JD wrote: > On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > > > >> Hi all >>

Root File System Maxed Out

2010-09-21 Thread earlscott3
I am a new user to Fedora. I ran the latest updates and pulled 404 updates. One of the updates stated it needs more room on the root file system in order to download it. The root file system is maxed otu at 3.3gb in size. How do I get free space without messing up my Fedora? I made an i

Re: Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/21/2010 06:56 PM, Mark Eggers wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:24:53 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > >> So I'm using the latest unstable version of Chrome browser, updated my >> kernel today, and BAM, when I try to view a video on cnn.com Xorg >> crashes. This just started happening today (I'v

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/21/2010 03:39 PM, Michael Miles wrote: > JD wrote: >> On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: >> >>> JD wrote: >>> On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > Hi all > > I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked real

Re: Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Mark Eggers
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:24:53 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote: > So I'm using the latest unstable version of Chrome browser, updated my > kernel today, and BAM, when I try to view a video on cnn.com Xorg > crashes. This just started happening today (I've been running this > version of the chrome browser

Kernel update scrambles catalyst driver output

2010-09-21 Thread Peter Boy
Folks, the latest kernel update for Fedora 12 (kernel-2.6.32.21-168.fc12.x86_64) leaves me with a scrambled screen using the catalyst driver (ATI Radeon HD 3470). Reverting back to kernel-2.6.32.21-166.fc12.x86_64 resolves the problem. Unfortunately, the free ATI driver is not an option because i

Re: F13: What are these kernel messages?

2010-09-21 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/19/2010 10:49 PM, JB wrote: > Daniel B. Thurman cdkkt.com> writes: > >> ... >> Sep 18 10:34:15 kernel: DeQueueRunning[0]= TRUE! >> >> I get these messages quite often and would like to >> know why the kernel is spitting out these messages. >> > Hi, > # yum info rt2870 > > http://ubuntufor

Re: F13: What are these kernel messages?

2010-09-21 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/19/2010 10:53 PM, JD wrote: > > On 09/19/2010 10:49 PM, JB wrote: >> Daniel B. Thurman cdkkt.com> writes: >> >>> ... >>> Sep 18 10:34:15 kernel: DeQueueRunning[0]= TRUE! >>> >>> I get these messages quite often and would like to >>> know why the kernel is spitting out these messages. >>>

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Miles
JD wrote: > > On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > >> JD wrote: >> >>> On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: >>> >>> Hi all I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will

Re: gdmsetup

2010-09-21 Thread Steve Blackwell
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:58:54 -0500 "Gregory P. Ennis" wrote: > Dear List, > > On older versions of Fedora we could use gdmsetup to restrict the > logon display choices to certain users. In other words certain users > could be displayed as legitimate logon users and other users could be > hidden

Re: Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/21/2010 03:53 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: > > On 09/21/2010 03:43 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> On 09/21/2010 03:24 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >>> So I'm using the latest unstable version of Chrome browser, updated my >>> kernel today, and BAM, when I try to view a video on cnn.com >>> Xorg crashes

Re: Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/21/2010 03:43 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: > > On 09/21/2010 03:24 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: >> So I'm using the latest unstable version of Chrome browser, updated my >> kernel today, and BAM, when I try to view a video on cnn.com >> Xorg crashes. This just started happening today (I've been ru

Re: Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Martin
On 09/21/2010 03:24 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: > So I'm using the latest unstable version of Chrome browser, updated my > kernel today, and BAM, when I try to view a video on cnn.com > Xorg crashes. This just started happening today (I've been running this > version of the chrome browser for a s

Whee, Xorg crash (Fedora 13 2.6.34.7-56.fc13.i686)!

2010-09-21 Thread Kevin Martin
So I'm using the latest unstable version of Chrome browser, updated my kernel today, and BAM, when I try to view a video on cnn.com Xorg crashes. This just started happening today (I've been running this version of the chrome browser for a solid week or more). Here's the backtrace from the Xor

Re: Disable SSE3 routines in glibc

2010-09-21 Thread Thawan Kooburat
Hi Rares, Thank you for your response. I am doing some kind of live migration. And I just found that it is actually SSSE3 no sse3 that I am dealing with. This feature does not seem to be available in AMD processors. Anyway, I just asked one of the glibc developers (H.J. Lu) and the solution is to

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 11:11 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:51:20 -0700, JD wrote: > >> $ sha256sum -c Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso CHECKSUM >> sha256sum: Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso: no properly formatted SHA256 checksum >> lines found >> Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso: OK > Of course. > That's not ho

Re: [389-users] Configuration Directory Server

2010-09-21 Thread Edward Z. Yang
Hey Jason, You may find this document I wrote up documenting our replication setup useful: http://scripts.mit.edu/trac/browser/branches/fc13-dev/server/doc/install-ldap (Scroll down to "Set up replication") Cheers, Edward -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 11:10 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > JD wrote: >> On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really >>> well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. >>> I have removed it a

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Miles
JD wrote: > > On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really >> well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. >> I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the >>

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:51:20 -0700, JD wrote: > $ sha256sum -c Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso CHECKSUM > sha256sum: Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso: no properly formatted SHA256 checksum > lines found > Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso: OK Of course. That's not how you are supposed to run it. You give it the checksums fil

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 08:14 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > I just downloaded the f14 RC3 iso and the checksum file from > the same directory: > > zooty> ls -l > total 3443676 > -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users740 Sep 21 00:59 Fedora-14-Beta-x86_64-CHECKSUM > -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users 3517335568 Sep 21 11:00 Fedora

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread JB
Tom Horsley gmail.com> writes: > > I just downloaded the f14 RC3 iso and the checksum file from > the same directory: > > zooty> ls -l > total 3443676 > -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users740 Sep 21 00:59 Fedora-14-Beta-x86_64-CHECKSUM > -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users 3517335568 Sep 21 11:00 Fedora-14-Beta-

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:53:34 +0200 Michael Schwendt wrote: > > I'll have to run some smart diagnostics... (or submit bugs > > about unreliable ext3 in fedora 13 :-). > > memtest86+ and memtester would be my first choice. ;-) That too, but I did run memtest a few iterations a few weeks ago w

Re: Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread JD
On 09/21/2010 09:57 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > Hi all > > I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really > well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. > I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the > beginning banner and th

Celestia Space Simulator

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Miles
Hi all I have recently installed Celestia Space Simulator and it worked really well for about 10 minutes then crashed and will not start up any more. I have removed it and re-installed it and still it starts with the beginning banner and then crashes with no abrt warning. This is a beautiful si

Re: Is there Zebra, Gated or Routed for Fedora 13 ?

2010-09-21 Thread John Austin
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 17:45 +0100, agraham wrote: > I'm looking to advertise routes using a RIP protocol and looking for > Zebra, Gated or Routed for Fedora 13? > > Do these exist (cannot find the in Repo). > > Thanks. > > Albert. > > Hi yum install quagga John [r...@milos ~]# rpm -ql quag

Re: Is there Zebra, Gated or Routed for Fedora 13 ?

2010-09-21 Thread agraham
On 09/21/2010 05:45 PM, agraham wrote: > I'm looking to advertise routes using a RIP protocol and looking for > Zebra, Gated or Routed for Fedora 13? > > Do these exist (cannot find the in Repo). > > Thanks. > > Albert. > > Ahh, think I've found it: quagga Available Packages Name: quagga

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:44:12 -0400, Tom wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:33:19 +0200 > Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > Right, so why does sha256sum -c tell me it doesn't match? > > > > What does it say when you add option -w? > > With -w it doesn't complain, but now it is even more worrisome.

Re: [389-users] Configuration Directory Server

2010-09-21 Thread Ryan Braun [ADS]
On September 21, 2010 01:09:49 pm Jason Forde wrote: > Hello, > > I am at the early stages of building and testing a 2 Master directory > server setup trying to work out what to do with the configuration directory > server. > > I initially had it setup on one server1 with server2 using this, but th

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:33:19 +0200 Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Right, so why does sha256sum -c tell me it doesn't match? > > What does it say when you add option -w? With -w it doesn't complain, but now it is even more worrisome. It is saying the checksum matches now. It is like the first run

Is there Zebra, Gated or Routed for Fedora 13 ?

2010-09-21 Thread agraham
I'm looking to advertise routes using a RIP protocol and looking for Zebra, Gated or Routed for Fedora 13? Do these exist (cannot find the in Repo). Thanks. Albert. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:35:43 +0200, Joachim wrote: > What should be the argument for the -c parameter? The checksum file > itself, or the files whose checksum should be checked? The list file. Obviously. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription op

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Joachim Backes
On 09/21/2010 06:02 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:37:24 +0200 > Joachim Backes wrote: > >> So the checksum you have computed is correct: identical with the 2nd >> line in the checksum file. > > Right, so why does sha256sum -c tell me it doesn't match? What should be the argumen

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:02:59 -0400, Tom wrote: > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:37:24 +0200 > Joachim Backes wrote: > > > So the checksum you have computed is correct: identical with the 2nd > > line in the checksum file. > > Right, so why does sha256sum -c tell me it doesn't match? What does it say wh

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:37:24 +0200 Joachim Backes wrote: > So the checksum you have computed is correct: identical with the 2nd > line in the checksum file. Right, so why does sha256sum -c tell me it doesn't match? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subs

Re: Wine , No Network connection

2010-09-21 Thread Joachim Backes
On 09/21/10 17:31, Jim wrote: > FC13/KDE > > How do I get a Network Connection with Wine. > > I have a eth0 wired connection on Fedora 13. Hi Jim, having no problems with wine-1.2.0-2.fc13.i686 in F13: I installed ie6 with winetricks, and I can access other sites connected via the internet.

Re: Wine , No Network connection

2010-09-21 Thread James Mckenzie
Jim wrote > > FC13/KDE > >How do I get a Network Connection with Wine. > >I have a eth0 wired connection on Fedora 13. Jim: Just a few questions: 1. Can you use a program like Firefox to access the Internet from Linux? 2. What are you trying to do from inside Wine? 3. What version of wine a

Re: What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Joachim Backes
On 09/21/2010 05:14 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > I just downloaded the f14 RC3 iso and the checksum file from > the same directory: > > zooty> ls -l > total 3443676 > -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users740 Sep 21 00:59 Fedora-14-Beta-x86_64-CHECKSUM I think this file only contains the checksums of the dow

Wine , No Network connection

2010-09-21 Thread Jim
FC13/KDE How do I get a Network Connection with Wine. I have a eth0 wired connection on Fedora 13. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki

What am I missing here? (sha256sum)

2010-09-21 Thread Tom Horsley
I just downloaded the f14 RC3 iso and the checksum file from the same directory: zooty> ls -l total 3443676 -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users740 Sep 21 00:59 Fedora-14-Beta-x86_64-CHECKSUM -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users 3517335568 Sep 21 11:00 Fedora-14-Beta-x86_64-DVD.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 tom users5526034 S

Re: change login screen to KDE

2010-09-21 Thread Doron
> On 09/21/2010 03:42 PM, Jamie Bohr wrote: >> I have googled and googled on how to make the login screen use KDE >> rather than Gnome on Fedora 13.Many references say to put >> DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE in /etc/sysconfig/desktop however when I do that I >> get a console window for the login screen.

Re: change login screen to KDE

2010-09-21 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 09/21/2010 03:42 PM, Jamie Bohr wrote: > I have googled and googled on how to make the login screen use KDE > rather than Gnome on Fedora 13.Many references say to put > DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE in /etc/sysconfig/desktop however when I do that I > get a console window for the login screen. I have

gdmsetup

2010-09-21 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Dear List, On older versions of Fedora we could use gdmsetup to restrict the logon display choices to certain users. In other words certain users could be displayed as legitimate logon users and other users could be hidden from being displayed. I think somewhere after Fedora 8 gdmsetup was remov

Re: change login screen to KDE

2010-09-21 Thread Dj YB
On Tuesday September 21 2010 16:42:44 Jamie Bohr wrote: > I have googled and googled on how to make the login screen use KDE rather > than Gnome on Fedora 13.Many references say to put DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE > in /etc/sysconfig/desktop however when I do that I get a console window > for the login s

Re: change login screen to KDE

2010-09-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:42:44 -0600 Jamie Bohr wrote: > Many references say to put DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE in > /etc/sysconfig/desktop That works for me. Did you also "yum install kdm"? Perhaps the software is missing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscr

change login screen to KDE

2010-09-21 Thread Jamie Bohr
I have googled and googled on how to make the login screen use KDE rather than Gnome on Fedora 13.Many references say to put DISPLAYMANAGER=KDE in /etc/sysconfig/desktop however when I do that I get a console window for the login screen. I have even tried a lowercase kde rather than an upperca

Something similar to gpesummary ?

2010-09-21 Thread steve
Hi, As a N810 user, I have come to depend heavily on GPE calendar, todo and gpesummary[1]. I was wondering whether something similar is available for the desktop (specifically for GNOME). Does anyone know of any such thing available in the Fedora repos ? For those who don't know about these ap

Re: Hole in 64-bit Linux kernel provides root rights

2010-09-21 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 09/20/2010 04:47 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 9/20/10 11:24 AM, Takehiko Abe wrote: >>> Explain how you could have possibly compiled it let >>> alone run it. >>> >> Please don't. >> > +1 with a big smile > Guys, it's been public for a number of days already. You don't need any a

Re: examples of date

2010-09-21 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Tuesday 21 September 2010 12:47 AM, Hiisi wrote: > Hi list! > I was reading the date[1] info page and didn't find examples of usage > [2] despite they're announced in the menu of the page. On scientific > linux machine there's such examples in the same manual. Just curious, > is it just me or th

examples of date

2010-09-21 Thread Hiisi
Hi list! I was reading the date[1] info page and didn't find examples of usage [2] despite they're announced in the menu of the page. On scientific linux machine there's such examples in the same manual. Just curious, is it just me or the page is shortened on fedora in the interest of brevity? REF