About ksplice

2010-09-01 Thread Renich Bon Ciric
Hello, I know that uptrack is providing it's package for Fedora 13... but, also, I know Fedora provides fedora-ksplice. Any idea of how to use the former? It's hard to be free... but I love to struggle. Love isn't asked for; it's just given. Respect isn't asked for; it's earned! Renich Bon Ciric

Can't link atlas or cblas libraries

2010-09-01 Thread Henrik Mannerström
Hello, On my Fedora 11, when I try to compile a program that uses BLAS the linking fails: > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcblas I have packages blas, blas-devel, atlas and atlas-devel installed. There exists a symlink for libcblas.so: /usr/lib64/atlas/libcblas.so -> ./libcblas.so.3.0 but 'ld

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Darr
On Thursday, 02 September, 2010 @02:17 zulu, James McKenzie scribed: > be in permissive mode and that is my decision. I do agree that > SELinux is not the easiest thing to configure (I don't know if there > is a GUI interface and I would be pleasantly surprised if there is.) # yum install polic

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/02/2010 12:39 PM, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 04:24 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> Try to change the ownership of a file as an ordinary user (to "disown" >> your own file), for example. The chown simply won't allow you to do >> it, it is a serious security hole. > That's something t

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 04:24 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Try to change the ownership of a file as an ordinary user (to "disown" > your own file), for example. The chown simply won't allow you to do > it, it is a serious security hole. That's something that I've wanted to do, from time to time,

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 08:17 -0700, JD wrote: > Whew!! Finally someone said it for me! :) > Thank you JB. > > On 09/01/2010 05:35 AM, JB wrote: > > Hi, > > > > SELinux is a bad thing, concept- and design-wise. Are JB and JD the same person? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 15:44 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > Also there's not a lot of value in "you have been owned, your data is > toast, your hard disk is erased" I've seen that with anti-virus software. It'll warn you that it detected a virus. But did it stop it? No, the virus did its job. I reall

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Really? I haven't found it to get in the way of ordinary user >> activities, it's rare to see any alert. Ralf Corsepius: > Single user desktop system, without special configuration, I suppose? No. I configure things, install things, try things out, I even run web servers, and mail serve

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread kalinix
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 21:31 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > kalinix wrote: > > > ksplice works only for kernels. And make several modules out of the > > deltas between the kernel release, which will be loaded in the older > > kernel. So you'll end up with, let's say 2.6.33.6-147 and a bunch of > >

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 07:40 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM, James Mckenzie > wrote: > > Given what you posted, I have no idea why your system is > receiving yum -y instead of yum and you being prompted for > permission to install. >

Re: error message during boot

2010-09-01 Thread Robert G. (Doc) Savage
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 09:26 +1000, L wrote: > hi, > > my system is F13 2.6.34.6-47.fc13.i686. During boot, it generates many > lines of errors > they are all related to /etc/udev/rules.d/51-hso-udev.rules. I have > this file attached too. It doesn't hurt but annoy. > Is it safe to delete this rule

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 20:54:47 JB wrote: > Thanks. It was my intention to induce a reaction to my post. > Your opinion is appreciated, regardless of whether friendly or not :-) My opinion is always intended to be friendly, otherwise I would keep it to myself. :-) > > > - it should be

Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

2010-09-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/01/2010 10:55 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: >>> >> >> After installed the rpm and restart firefox, the gmail is still >> showing the plugin need to be installed (see snapshot). I tried this >> on both i386 and X86_64 Fedora 13 PCs. the same outcomes. >> >> > > I'm not sure what we can do about thi

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/01/2010 10:17 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > not the easiest thing to configure (I don't know if there is a GUI > interface and I would be pleasantly surprised if there is.) Not sure if this is what you needed or not but this is a GUI: system->Administration->Selinux Management g

Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

2010-09-01 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 17:32 -0300, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: > > no source ? > > Nope. I've only found compiled binary packages (rpms, debs). No source available yet. I'm not sure if this is meant to be FOSS at all. Then again, I haven't read up at all about the plugin ;) -- Thanks! Regards,

Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

2010-09-01 Thread Ankur Sinha
> > > > After installed the rpm and restart firefox, the gmail is still > showing the plugin need to be installed (see snapshot). I tried this > on both i386 and X86_64 Fedora 13 PCs. the same outcomes. > > I'm not sure what we can do about this. You'll have to contact google via their forums

Re: err:wineconsole:WINECON_Fatal Couldn't find a decent font, aborting

2010-09-01 Thread James McKenzie
Joshua C. wrote: > From my point of view it looks like a fedora bug, not a wine bug. I > haven't tested the code from winehq but there were some commits with > some font changes in the lastest koji. > > I got the same error with gnome and it also happens on i686. After you > confirm this we have to

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread James McKenzie
Takehiko Abe wrote: >>> Just count the known incidents of such exploits. ZERO. No WMD. >>> Hmmm. Is that why we run it on our systems? Just for the record I cannot discuss anything else, but believe me, the vulnerabilities and their exploits do exist. There are vulnerabilities and explo

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:56 PM, suvayu ali > wrote: Just run the command I posted with the package of your choice instead > of the "". There are no secret steps behind it. Okay, I try that. -- Regards, Parshwa Murdia -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or cha

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:51 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: > Given what you posted, I have no idea why your system is receiving yum -y > instead of yum and you being prompted for permission to install. > > And with that information, no your system does not appear to be > compromised. However, might

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread JD
On 09/01/2010 06:14 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ranjan Maitra wrote: > >>> What exactly is ksplice meant to do? >>> I yum-installed it today, >>> and then ran "yum update" which installed a new kernel. >>> I expected this to start running, but it didn't. >>> Admittedly I didn't read any instructi

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> What exactly is ksplice meant to do? >> I yum-installed it today, >> and then ran "yum update" which installed a new kernel. >> I expected this to start running, but it didn't. >> Admittedly I didn't read any instructions. >> > > > Sounds very cool, and I had not heard o

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Marcus D. Leech
I've been a security wonk for many years, and the problem I have with SeLinux is that when it makes a decision I disagree with, it's like pulling teeth to change it's mind. So I sometimes just turn it off Sigh -- Principal Investigator Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.

Re: Suspend "lid switch" & NetworkManager

2010-09-01 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 09/01/2010 04:36:06 PM, dp wrote: > > I find that the following update causes suspend/resume to fail: > > == > Updating: > NetworkManager i6861:0.8.1-4.git20100817.fc13 > NetworkManager-glib i6861:

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Dupre
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Chris Smart wrote: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Maybe, where is it ? But it is strange because the umount partitions show up ! For me, it just pops up on the GNOME desktop and in Places and in Computer.. If I don't have a disc in, then I can't se

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > Maybe, where is it ? > But it is strange because the umount partitions show up ! > For me, it just pops up on the GNOME desktop and in Places and in Computer.. If I don't have a disc in, then I can't see the device. As I said, I don't have

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Dupre
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010, Chris Smart wrote: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: I fixed the problem, but in the past ie. fedora 11 the CD was visible in "Places" which is not the case now ! I have a feeling that Fedora now hides the device until you actually Maybe, where is it ?

Re: Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread L
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, L wrote: >> >> evo-mapi works with exchange 2007 or newer version. evolution exchange >> works with exchange 2003 or 2005. >> > > I'm using "Exchange MAPI" account to an Exchange 2003 server, which > also works f

Re: Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:29 AM, L wrote: > > evo-mapi works with exchange 2007 or newer version. evolution exchange > works with exchange 2003 or 2005. > I'm using "Exchange MAPI" account to an Exchange 2003 server, which also works fine for me :-) -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedorapro

Suspend "lid switch" & NetworkManager

2010-09-01 Thread dp
I find that the following update causes suspend/resume to fail: == Updating: NetworkManager i6861:0.8.1-4.git20100817.fc13 NetworkManager-glib i6861:0.8.1-4.git20100817.fc13 NetworkManager-gnomei

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > I fixed the problem, but in the past ie. fedora 11 the CD was visible in > "Places" which is not the case now ! I have a feeling that Fedora now hides the device until you actually put in a disc. My fstab has no entry for my CD device. -c --

Re: Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread L
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Chris Kottaridis wrote: > evolution-mapi is installed: > > evolution-mapi-0.30.1-1.fc13 (x86_64) > > However, I am using the Microsoft Exchange option not the Exchnage MAPI > option. > > This was what was set when I was using Ubuntu. > > Thanks > Chris kottaridis >

Re: Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Chris Kottaridis wrote: > > However, I am using the Microsoft Exchange option not the Exchnage MAPI > option. I've had much better success with the newer native MAPI implementation thanks to openchange. Maybe give that a shot? Speaking Exchange's native tongue is m

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Dupre
I fixed the problem, but in the past ie. fedora 11 the CD was visible in "Places" which is not the case now ! On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: What should I install ? What happens when you actually put in a disk? Just noise ! -- --- ===

error message during boot

2010-09-01 Thread L
hi, my system is F13 2.6.34.6-47.fc13.i686. During boot, it generates many lines of errors they are all related to /etc/udev/rules.d/51-hso-udev.rules. I have this file attached too. It doesn't hurt but annoy. Is it safe to delete this rule file? thanks Y Welcome to Fedora

Re: Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Kottaridis
evolution-mapi is installed: evolution-mapi-0.30.1-1.fc13 (x86_64) However, I am using the Microsoft Exchange option not the Exchnage MAPI option. This was what was set when I was using Ubuntu. Thanks Chris kottaridis On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 09:14 +1000, Chris Smart wrote: > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/01/2010 04:19 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > "Kevin J. Cummings" writes: >> On 08/31/2010 09:08 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >>> Why not just do reboots at 3 in the morning and it just won't matter all >>> that much. I just have a cron script in /etc/cron.daily that checks to >> N

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Dupre
Sorry, It is fixed. The /etc/fstab was not correct. Hello, On my new install of Fedora 13, I do not have access to the internal CD/DVD reader (the one that I used to install the distro) ! I even does not show up in the media list. What should I install ? Thank. -- --- ==

Re: Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Chris Kottaridis wrote: > > Any hints or suggestions appreciated. Do you have evolution-mapi (and therefore openchange) installed and is that the type of account you're using? -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscri

F13 LXDE spin fails to even boot on 64-bit dual quadcore

2010-09-01 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hi, I have a strange problem. I downloaded the F13 LXDE spin and installed it on a dual-core IBM T61 Thinkpad laptop. It came up ok and I was able to install to hard drive. Next, thinking this would be a 10-minute breeze, I went to a Dell Precision T7400 dual quad-core Xeon Processor X5482 and as

Re: Sound out

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:46 AM, AnneMarie Robinson wrote: > > Suddenly I have no sound.  Any suggestions?  Thank you. Are you using KDE? I've noticed it seems to drop out a lot. Try the things suggested already, but if you're using KDE, try changing the backend engine from Gstreamer to Xine, or v

Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

2010-09-01 Thread L
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > They're now available. Haven't tried them out though. > >> http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html?platform=linux_fedora_i386 > > >> http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html?platform=linux_fedora_x86_64 > After installed the rpm

Re: CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Smart
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > What should I install ? What happens when you actually put in a disk? -c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: h

Re: GNOME Terminal questions

2010-09-01 Thread suvayu ali
I don't know about the other questions but I have faced this one before. On 1 September 2010 14:17, Alex wrote: > - It appears that sometimes when I resize the terminal, it is not > acknowledged by the remote computer when connected via ssh through a > screen session. How do I configure my termin

bonded nic not starting at boot

2010-09-01 Thread aragonx
Hello all, I am running fedora 12 and have two bonded interfaces.  Everything works fine if I manually start my bonded interface (bond0).  It also works fine if I put (ifup bond0) in /etc/rc.d/rc.local.  However, it refuses to start on boot otherwise and rc.local is kinda late in the boot sequen

CD/DVD

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, On my new install of Fedora 13, I do not have access to the internal CD/DVD reader (the one that I used to install the distro) ! I even does not show up in the media list. What should I install ? Thank. -- --- ==

Re: Sound out

2010-09-01 Thread Steven Stern
On 09/01/2010 04:46 PM, AnneMarie Robinson wrote: > Suddenly I have no sound. Any suggestions? Thank you. > > It sounds dumb, but check the basics. Is the volume turned up and not muted? If you have external speakers, and they plugged in and powered? -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@

Re: Sound out

2010-09-01 Thread abhijeet tripathi
Any messages you see in /var/log/messages? Any application you have run after that sound is gone? --Abhijeet On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM, AnneMarie Robinson wrote: > Suddenly I have no sound. Any suggestions? Thank you. > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To uns

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Darr
On Wednesday, 01 September, 2010 17:29 zulu, JB scribed: > Please feel free to add some thoughts to my modest idea of the future > concept of security. Do not assume that it has to be something big or > revolutionary - we have seen that small and evolutionary things can > make a difference too. JB

Sound out

2010-09-01 Thread AnneMarie Robinson
Suddenly I have no sound.  Any suggestions?  Thank you. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
"Kevin J. Cummings" writes: > On 08/31/2010 09:08 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> Why not just do reboots at 3 in the morning and it just won't matter all >> that much. I just have a cron script in /etc/cron.daily that checks to > No! I'm often doing something at 3AM (granted I *should* be

GNOME Terminal questions

2010-09-01 Thread Alex
Hi, I've done a bit of searching for answers to my questions, but haven't really found anything current or relevant to my issue. I have a few usage questions about the default terminal application included with FC13. Perhaps I should instead use a different terminal application for my purposes? -

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 15:45:51 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Is it too good to be true? You can read more about it at Linux Weekly New. One article is: http://lwn.net/Articles/340477/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https:

Re: [389-users] superior attributes (not object classes)

2010-09-01 Thread Nathan Kinder
On 08/31/2010 08:28 PM, Brian LaMere wrote: > Was this ever looked at again for a feature enhancement? Is it > already available, if I do X thing? A feature enhancement to the schema conversion tool? I'm not sure who maintains that now. well, I was simply running the schema-

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:31:43 -0500 Timothy Murphy wrote: > kalinix wrote: > > > ksplice works only for kernels. And make several modules out of the > > deltas between the kernel release, which will be loaded in the older > > kernel. So you'll end up with, let's say 2.6.33.6-147 and a bunch of > >

Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

2010-09-01 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Richard Cahilig wrote: > I've been waiting for this. Thanks. > > > Best Regards, > > Richard R. Cahilig > > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: >> >> They're now available. Haven't tried them out though. >> >> > >> > http://www.google.com/chat/

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Timothy Murphy
kalinix wrote: > ksplice works only for kernels. And make several modules out of the > deltas between the kernel release, which will be loaded in the older > kernel. So you'll end up with, let's say 2.6.33.6-147 and a bunch of > modules covering the patches up to the 2.6.33.8-149. Technically you

Fedora 13 Evolution and exchange

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Kottaridis
I was running Ubuntu 9.10 and using evolution with a microsoft exchange server and it was working Ok with mail and calendar and GAL. For unrelated reasons I switched to Fedora Core 13, but brought the same home directory for this user into the Fedora Core 13. Mail seems to be working OK, but the c

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread JB
Marko Vojinovic gmail.com> writes: > > On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 18:29:13 JB wrote: > > Please feel free to add some thoughts to my modest idea of the future > > concept of security. > > Since you are apparently serious about this, let me try to help a little > (remember, you asked for

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 08/31/2010 09:08 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > Why not just do reboots at 3 in the morning and it just won't matter all > that much. I just have a cron script in /etc/cron.daily that checks to No! I'm often doing something at 3AM (granted I *should* be going to bed before that time),

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread suvayu ali
On 1 September 2010 10:06, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM, suvayu ali > wrote: > >> Hi Parshwa, >> >> Could you post the output of an actual yum session? Maybe try to set >> the yum debug level to 10 and install something and post the output? >> >> # yum --debuglevel=10 in

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 18:29:13 JB wrote: > Please feel free to add some thoughts to my modest idea of the future > concept of security. Since you are apparently serious about this, let me try to help a little (remember, you asked for it! :-) ...): > This is my idea of the new security

Re: Fedora lists?

2010-09-01 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/1/2010 12:00 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:55:49 -0400 > David wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> What is required to petition for a new Fedora list? Who to ask and >> how? >> >> I ask because I

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread JB
Gordon Messmer eburg.com> writes: > > On 09/01/2010 05:35 AM, JB wrote: > > This idea is so sick - any real sys admin wants to know her machine inside > out, > > There are more than two thousand items in my $PATH. Yours is probably > similar. Do you understand what every one of them do? Are

Re: problems with catalyst driver

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Lists
On 09/01/2010 05:11 PM, Eric Doutreleau wrote: > thanks for your answer > unfortunately the 10.8 didn't solve the problems > do u have any pointers related to this problem? There is an undocumented setting which make the fglrx driver use the old acceleration. Not sure if that fixes it but you cou

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread James Mckenzie
Parshwa Murdia >Sent: Sep 1, 2010 10:03 AM >To: James Mckenzie , Community support for Fedora >users >Subject: Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me! > >On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, James Mckenzie >wrote: > >Maybe remove the alias? >> >> I don't have any idea why yum would be yum -y bu

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread James Mckenzie
Takehiko Abe wrote: >Sent: Sep 1, 2010 8:43 AM >To: Community support for Fedora users >Subject: Re: SELinux > >>> Just count the known incidents of such exploits. ZERO. No WMD. >> >> Pure bullshit. There are PLENTY of UNIX/Linux systems that are 'powned'. > >You misunderstood my sentence. out o

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:42 PM, suvayu ali > wrote: Hi Parshwa, Could you post the output of an actual yum session? Maybe try to set > the yum debug level to 10 and install something and post the output? > > # yum --debuglevel=10 install Hi, How can I post the output of actual yum level? what

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread Parshwa Murdia
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:31 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: Maybe remove the alias? > > I don't have any idea why yum would be yum -y but if you did not do it, I > would suspect someone else has been on your machine and did this? (See the > Selinux threads for why you should use it.) I would, at a min

Re: Curiosity Question -- TVTime loses focus after installing F13 - [SOLVED WITH LATEST UPDATES]

2010-09-01 Thread Terry Polzin
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 12:53 -0400, William Case wrote: > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 14:46 -0400, William Case wrote: Just curious what do you do to get audio? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: Curiosity Question -- TVTime loses focus after installing F13 - [SOLVED WITH LATEST UPDATES]

2010-09-01 Thread William Case
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 14:46 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi; > > I have a Hauppauge WinTv-HVR 1800 tuner with an analog Cable TV (NTSC - > Canada). In F12 I received a near perfect video picture from my cable > TV. In F13, the picture is black and white with various degrees of > interference lin

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 17:05:42 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:50:16 +0800 > Ed Greshko wrote: > > Maybe all the folks that deem SELinux unnecessary, too complex, or > > whatever would be interested in switching to OpenSUSE and their AppArmor > > method? > > Nah, AppArmor i

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 17:02:34 Michael Semcheski wrote: > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > It's just that some people are too lazy to read and understand two or > > three man pages. > > Which two or three man pages cover everything selinux related? The only

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:50:16 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > Maybe all the folks that deem SELinux unnecessary, too complex, or > whatever would be interested in switching to OpenSUSE and their AppArmor > method? Nah, AppArmor is even more useless. Fortunately the one thing it has in common with selin

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Michael Semcheski
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > It's just that some people are too lazy to read and understand two or three > man pages. Which two or three man pages cover everything selinux related? I like SELinux, but its got its rough edges for example: "/bin/bash is using a leaked

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 16:04:55 JB wrote: > I think the more profound question has to be asked - does it serve the > Linux community (professional and amateur) ? Well, it certainly did serve me, when one of my user's account got compromised --- SELinux was the one stopping the intruder

Re: Fedora lists?

2010-09-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:55:49 -0400 David wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > What is required to petition for a new Fedora list? Who to ask and > how? > > I ask because I would like to see a list for general FUD, false > statements, and Bull$hit so that when those types

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:35:14 + (UTC) JB wrote: ...snip... > This is my idea of the new security concept: > - it should be real-time (operating in a background) > - it should be modular in the sense of traditional small, single > function, and stand-alone UNIX utilities > - it has to be simple

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 09/01/2010 05:35 AM, JB wrote: > This idea is so sick - any real sys admin wants to know her machine inside > out, There are more than two thousand items in my $PATH. Yours is probably similar. Do you understand what every one of them do? Are you experienced with development in C and asse

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 16:29:53 Takehiko Abe wrote: > You mentioned "Dowd exploit of flash". Google returns: > > "IBM researcher Mark Dowd has outlined a Flash vulnerability that > could allow for a rare cross-platform web-based exploit." > > This is definitely not the incident

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Greshko
Maybe all the folks that deem SELinux unnecessary, too complex, or whatever would be interested in switching to OpenSUSE and their AppArmor method? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opt

Re: problems with catalyst driver

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Doutreleau
well i have some big problems with the open source drivers i have a video projector connected on the second output As soon as i connect it i lost the display on the primary screen worse randr detects only one monitor : the projector at least the proprietary driver detect correctly both outputs L

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Takehiko Abe
>> Just count the known incidents of such exploits. ZERO. No WMD. > > Pure bullshit. There are PLENTY of UNIX/Linux systems that are 'powned'. You misunderstood my sentence. out of context. this is the second time. you are knocking a strawman. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: problems with catalyst driver

2010-09-01 Thread suvayu ali
On 1 September 2010 08:11, Eric Doutreleau wrote: > thanks for your answer > unfortunately the 10.8 didn't solve the problems > do u have any pointers related to this problem? > Any reason not to use the open source radeon drivers? I use a ATI Radeon 4870 with these drivers. I even have decent 3D

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Takehiko Abe
;;; the clueless sent the mail directly to you again. Sorry. ;;; >> Just count the known incidents of such exploits. ZERO. No WMD. > > Wrong again You mentioned "Dowd exploit of flash". Google returns: "IBM researcher Mark Dowd has outlined a Flash vulnerability that could allow for a r

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Takehiko Abe
> Of course flash, firefox, all the image libraries it uses and the font > libraries are perfect and never had a bug triggerable remotely - right ? I have never said or suggest such things. for the record. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription o

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread JD
Whew!! Finally someone said it for me! :) Thank you JB. On 09/01/2010 05:35 AM, JB wrote: > Hi, > > SELinux is a bad thing, concept- and design-wise. > It should be stopped now - it is a waste of resources, a blind alley. > The Linux community should stop receiving "gifts" (trojan horses) of th

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Parshwa, On 1 September 2010 04:20, Ed Greshko wrote: >  On 09/01/2010 03:24 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:50 PM, suvayu ali >> wrote: >> >>> Make sure `yum' is not aliased to `yum -y'. What does the following say? >>> # type yum >> [fedo...@localhost ~]$ type yum >>

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-09-01 Thread JD
On 09/01/2010 04:24 AM, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 18:50 -0700, JD wrote: >> A simple logout will not kill the many daemons and processes that are >> still running AND linked to the older, just replaced libraries. > But, in this case, when you logout, your use of the evolution data > ser

Re: Kernel kernel-2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.x86_64 death

2010-09-01 Thread Nicolae Ghimbovschi
Hello, My latest kernel version in Fedora 13 is 2.6.34.6-47.fc13.x86_64. When did you last time update ? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 14:10, William John Murray wrote: >  Hello all, >     Has anyone else the same problem as me? The latest kernel, > kernel-2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.x86_64 does not boot. Th

Re: problems with catalyst driver

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Doutreleau
thanks for your answer unfortunately the 10.8 didn't solve the problems do u have any pointers related to this problem? Le 01/09/2010 16:08, Patrick Lists a écrit : > On 09/01/2010 03:31 PM, Eric Doutreleau wrote: >> hi >> >> i m using dell optiplex 780 with a ATI Radeon HD 3470 with fedora 13

Re: NetworkManager wont start eth0

2010-09-01 Thread JD
On 09/01/2010 04:15 AM, William John Murray wrote: >Hello all, > I have a problem with my Network Manager. Its been broken for a > couple of weeks, not sure when. > The computer is static, but I use NM to run the pptp package. > However, at the moment if I start NM it has the 'ena

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread JB
Marko Vojinovic gmail.com> writes: > > On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 13:35:14 JB wrote: > > SELinux is a bad thing, concept- and design-wise. > [snip] > > Are you trying to be funny? I seem to have missed a smiley or SCNR or such... > > There are already two long philosophical threads about

Re: Kernel kernel-2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.x86_64 death

2010-09-01 Thread JD
On 09/01/2010 04:10 AM, William John Murray wrote: >Hello all, > Has anyone else the same problem as me? The latest kernel, > kernel-2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.x86_64 does not boot. The grub 'choose > kernel screen starts and then everything goes black, the monitor goes to > sleep and the ma

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-09-01 Thread James Mckenzie
Parshwa Murdia wrote: >Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:41 AM >To: Community support for Fedora users >Subject: Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me! > >On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> It means "yum is yum" >> >> Had it been aliased to "yum -y" it would have read something like

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/01/2010 10:54 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:25:11 +0900 > Takehiko Abe wrote: > >> >> I assume you know the chances that an average linux user actually get >> >> exploited in that way is very low. >> > >> > I would love to see the academic paper reference for this and the

Fedora lists?

2010-09-01 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What is required to petition for a new Fedora list? Who to ask and how? I ask because I would like to see a list for general FUD, false statements, and Bull$hit so that when those types of subjects appear on the help lists those users can be directed

Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

2010-09-01 Thread Richard Cahilig
I've been waiting for this. Thanks. Best Regards, Richard R. Cahilig On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > They're now available. Haven't tried them out though. > > > > http://www.google.com/chat/video/download.html?platform=linux_fedora_i386 > > > > > http://www.google.com/

Re: SELinux

2010-09-01 Thread James Mckenzie
Takehiko Abe wrote: >Sent: Sep 1, 2010 5:25 AM >To: Community support for Fedora users >Subject: Re: SELinux > > >> I assume you know the chances that an average linux user actually get > >> exploited in that way is very low. > > > > I would love to see the academic paper reference for this and t

Re: SELinux - a call for end-of-life.

2010-09-01 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 14:31:55 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 12:35:14 +, > JB wrote: > > - it has to be simple to be acceptable and understandable by all sys > > admins and > > Selinux is fundamentally simple. When a process acts on an object, the > label of th

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