AOP Benchmark (Was: MVC Frameworks)

2005-03-10 Thread Nicolas De Loof
#x27;t think much about it when you say you are using it, vs something else. Al -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:17 AM To: Justin Morgan Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks For my part, I still prefer Struts

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2005-03-10 Thread Robert Taylor
08, 2005 10:17 AM To: Justin Morgan Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks For my part, I still prefer Struts because I think it has a great potential if it endorses some move to IoC and does not fall off the strict web MVC pattern. I have no time for the event-based framewo

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2005-03-09 Thread Dakota Jack
ot mine at inception, or > > > construction, I ended up with it in my lap at transition time. > > > Unfortunately for me I had to do the apologizing/explaining :) > > > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > >

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2005-03-09 Thread Fergal O'Shea
A novel way of resolving differences with management, I'd say. I think that's generally frowned upon by most Human Resource departments. On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:17:54 -0800 (PST), Woodchuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no no no, you guys are playing the game wrong. > > i bring my 32oz Easton (t

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2005-03-09 Thread Simon Chappell
]> wrote: > > > > Yeap that is the game. I have been a first option kind of guy for > > a long > > > > time. This particular project was not mine at inception, or > > > > construction, I ended up with it in my lap at transition time. > > > > Unfort

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2005-03-09 Thread Woodchuck
> > > > Al > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:18 AM > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: MVC Framework

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2005-03-09 Thread Simon Chappell
at inception, or > > construction, I ended up with it in my lap at transition time. > > Unfortunately for me I had to do the apologizing/explaining :) > > > > Al > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >

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2005-03-09 Thread Dakota Jack
2005 8:18 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks > > Ahh yes, the ol' architecture approval game. I have played this game > so often that it's not even funny anymore. And it's always at big > companies. Sigh. > > The only options are 1)

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2005-03-09 Thread Fogleson, Allen
: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:18 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks Ahh yes, the ol' architecture approval game. I have played this game so often that it's not even funny anymore. And it's always at big compan

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2005-03-09 Thread Simon Chappell
--Original Message- > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:18 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks > > Why would the users have trouble accepting Spring if y

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2005-03-09 Thread Fogleson, Allen
Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks Why would the users have trouble accepting Spring if you werent using the MVC part - how does that impact on the UI to an extent that a user could notice? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [

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2005-03-09 Thread Nicolas De Loof
ng it, vs something else. Al -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:17 AM To: Justin Morgan Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks For my part, I still prefer Struts because I think it has a great potential if it

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2005-03-08 Thread Andrew Hill
something else. Al -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:17 AM To: Justin Morgan Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks For my part, I still prefer Struts because I think it has a great potential if it endorses

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2005-03-08 Thread Fogleson, Allen
to make anyone defensive; I'm just > trying to get past > > Thanks, > > -Justin > > > -Original Message----- > From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:30 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re:

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2005-03-08 Thread Woodchuck
SF > > and Tapestry as well, especially regarding why one might choose one > over > > the other. > > > > It all boils down to two questions: > > 1. Why do you prefer Struts over any other web application > framework? > > (Tapestry, JSF, Maverick, WebWork, et

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2005-03-08 Thread Michael Oliver
Las Vegas, NV 89115 Phone:(702)643-7425 Fax:(702)974-0341 *Note new email changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:17 AM To: Justin Morgan Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks For

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2005-03-08 Thread Dakota Jack
sive; I'm just > trying to get past > > Thanks, > > -Justin > > > -Original Message- > From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:30 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks > > Rod John

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2005-03-08 Thread Dakota Jack
ast > > Thanks, > > -Justin > > > -Original Message- > From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:30 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks > > Rod Johnson (author of Spring and one of the

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2005-03-08 Thread Nicolas De Loof
Maverick, WebWork, etc) 2. Why should _I_ prefer ? The second question is not meant to make anyone defensive; I'm just trying to get past Thanks, -Justin -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing Lis

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2005-03-08 Thread Justin Morgan
ake anyone defensive; I'm just trying to get past Thanks, -Justin -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:30 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: MVC Frameworks Rod Johnson (author of Spring and one of the clearest

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2005-03-07 Thread Dakota Jack
Rod Johnson (author of Spring and one of the clearest thinkers I have ever read IMHO) has a good discussion of the options in J2EE Development without EJB in Chapter 13: Web Tier Design. Jack On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 14:19:47 -0600, Justin Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > I am curren

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2005-03-07 Thread Justin Morgan
Hi there, I am currently researching different web application frameworks... JSF, Struts, and Tapestry specifically. We are planning to migrate a large existing web application to a rigorous model 2 standard using one or more of these frameworks, and I am looking for more information on the diffe