Re: OT Friday: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Ted Husted
Struts Shale has no impact on Struts Classic or Jericho. As mentioned elsewhere, we are not governed by the economics of scarcity. Likewise, we are not governed by the economics of market share. There are several very active projects with thriving communities with a much smaller market share th

Re: OT Friday: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Dakota Jack
I guess asking what the vote is does give good reason for this. I like you so much Vic that it would be hard to fault you. But, I am surprised that a mere question about the vote could engender this sort of thing. Interesting. I am really interested in JERICHO. What SHALE does is not important

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Ted Husted
The vote was unanimous. They usually are. Otherwise, we would decide to do something else :) No one knows what direction Struts will take, because no one person makes that decision. The people who make that decision are the people who *volunteer* the time and energy to create code and document

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Ted Husted
Yes, it's typical. The same thing happened with Scripting. All technical decisions regarding code are made on the dev list, and always will be. We sometimes choose to make non-technical decisions on the PMC list. -Ted. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:13:15 -0800, Dakota Jack wrote: > At the risk of bei

OT Friday: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Vic
I hope you think this is funny Jack, sometimes I amuse myself: I think the shortest answer is that anyone un-happy (with multiple projects?) can: A. fork any friendly license like ASF and refactor under the terms of license, maintain the source code or see if they can develop a user community, B

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Dakota Jack
Thanks for the answer. My question is how the community was taken into account and whether the details of the voting is secret or open? Are the votes public or is the issue raised publicly? Or is the community taken into account privately? I am just trying to get a feeling for what the directio

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Eddie Bush
The PMC makes such decisions, but takes the community into account when making the decision. -- Eddie Bush On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:13:15 -0800, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At the risk of being flamed, might I ask if this debate, vote, > whatever was public or limited to the PMC? And

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Dakota Jack
At the risk of being flamed, might I ask if this debate, vote, whatever was public or limited to the PMC? And, might I ask if this was sub rosa (so to speak), is that typical? I do not mean to suggest anything but merely to gather information about the processes, since these processes impact my u

[ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Shale

2005-01-23 Thread Martin Cooper
The Apache Struts team is pleased to announce the adoption of its latest subproject, Struts Shale, a JSF-based framework. The Shale codebase was initiated by Craig McClanahan in the Struts sandbox, and development traffic regarding Shale has steadily increased. As the product is heading towards