Well of course it was painful if you used emacs!
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>hehe, i'll take your word for i
er 20, 2004 11:58 AM
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> >eww, LaTeX
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> >might as well do your postscript documents using binary, lol :-)
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>eww, LaTeX
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>might as well do your postscript documents using binary, lol :-)
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eww, LaTeX
might as well do your postscript documents using binary, lol :-)
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> what, than the how. An analogy would be LaTeX, the document
> Simon
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> From: Bill Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "[Erskine, Chris] I agree that Ant is a build tool. As a build tool, it
> requires something to tell it
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Please see below.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:24 AM
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a few additional 1p comments;
Ant is a 'disru
hihi,
i would not say ant is an easy-at-first tool to use. you have to
install and set it up correctly. then you have to learn ant's syntax
and so on.
depending on what you want to do, your build script could be done in 5
minutes, or occupy a week's (or more) worth of time to finally get it
per
a few additional 1p comments;
Ant is a 'disruptive' tool e.g. many developers can quickly get on with their work
using the tool whilst the declaritive format makes composition trivial; hands up for
those who have spent hours plastering make builds together...PERL and make vie for the
low scana
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> I have to correct a few things here.
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>but I do prefer to
>use ANT in situations where there is no clear winner.
Complet
This is also true. Each component make have a better tool to be built
with. Even with C/C++ projects the answer is not clear. Some IDEs
already provide you a solution, for example, by managing or generating
make files. I would not fight the easiest solution, but I do prefer to
use ANT in situat
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>>This leaves us make. Make was designed (hacked and mutated?
>;-) i
This leaves us make. Make was designed (hacked and mutated? ;-) in a Unix environment
for building compiled languages, such as Pascal and C. It is very good at that. So for
any project that used a fully compiled language, like C, then I would strongly
consider using make.
Even with C compila
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>Simon
>Could you give us an example where make is more (cheaper/faster/better
>p
er 18, 2004 11:15 AM
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I have to correct a few things here.
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Unless this person is the project lead or a manager, their opinion does not matter. If
the task has been delegated to you, get the approval of your superiors and press on.
This person will either fall in line or they will make a nuissance of themeselves.
-Rob Anderson
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I have to correct a few things here.
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>XML is just a standard way of formatting data. In t
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If your teammate is against the use of Ant, their competence is highly
suspect.
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From: Andreas Bothner [ MTN - Inn
in my project source anywhere.
Regards,
~Jeff D.
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From: Alexey N. Solofnenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 15, 2004 08:11
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What do they propose? What type of projects are you going to build? Even
though I am
g new tricks" :)
Best of luck to you.
Regards,
Bob Barrett
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From: Alexey N. Solofnenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 11:11 AM
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What do they propose? What type of projects are you going
What do they propose? What type of projects are you going to build? Even
though I am using ANT everywhere, other people successfully use
VisualStudio to build their projects. Maybe your coworkers' ideas have
merits.
Long time ago we tried to use Make to build our projects and soon we hit
a com
If your teammate is against the use of Ant, their competence is highly suspect.
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What resources do you have in mind?
I am the Deployment and Configuration Manager, and might be able to send you
some white papers, documents and other information about using ANT for build
and deployment.
Does he give any arguments on why he feels that xml should not be used for
doing buil
Thanks Doug... this will allow me to put the facts on the table.
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From: Daniels, Doug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 15 October 2004 13:39
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Subject: RE: winning the case for ANT
You can do any software task a million different ways, but using
XML is just a standard way of formatting data. In this case, the lines of
data are script commands. You could define this format as a scripting
language. Each tool has its own formatting syntax. If you look at Make, it
has its own format that has the problem of the first character on a line
hav
You can do any software task a million different ways, but using the
right tool can speed up development and maintenance time.
Ant is developed specifically for automated builds, deployment and unit
testing. Also to get everything you can out of Ant you really do need to
use the external tools th
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