Re: how to disturb newbies

Hi Peter, Just about the sanest thing I've read on here. I hope it happens. Larry One possible solution would be to build into the the native LC dictionary a userNotes feature, allowing the user to add comments or examples saved locally for her/his own reference, and within that feature allowin

Re: how to disturb newbies

On Oct 26, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Jacques Hausser wrote: > > >> Le 26 oct. 2014 à 03:27, Kay C Lan a écrit : > > > >> Again, I FULLY SUPPORT Richard's recommendation that if anyone > >> notices any errors or even believes there should be better examples, > >> Notes, Tips or in

Re: how to disturb newbies

Indeed - good poetry doesn't need long exegesis ;-) > Le 27 oct. 2014 à 16:06, Bob Sneidar a écrit : > > Reading through your email didn’t make the least bit of sense! Until I > realized… THAT’S THE POINT! :-) > > Bob S > > >> On Oct 25, 2014, at 03:36 , Jacques Hausser wrote: >> >> Dictio

Re: how to disturb newbies

Kay C Lan wrote: I know your don't really want to hear more 'what should and shouldn't happen' and are really fishing for volunteers, but I could see a huge benefit in having may Dictionary entries hyperlinked to the appropriate section in the User Guide. Your mention of customPropertySets is a

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Reading through your email didn’t make the least bit of sense! Until I realized… THAT’S THE POINT! :-) Bob S > On Oct 25, 2014, at 03:36 , Jacques Hausser wrote: > > Dictionary examples: > > Syntax: > after messageName [parametersList] statementList end messageName > > Examples: > after mo

Re: how to disturb newbies

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > And since little if any of the User Guide is read, > Which is another pity as so much excellent information is in there. I know your don't really want to hear more 'what should and shouldn't happen' and are really fishing for volunteers

Re: how to disturb newbies

Larry If you need personal notes on anything at all from your own syntax notes to code snippets,, then I suggest you look at the Scripter's Scrapbook. Although it does not directly link to the IDE dictionary, it may have the features you need... www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk Just a thought. Bes

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On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Right Something like that would never work > Wikipedia has active "moderation". My thinking would be to have enough moderation that a person's first few are held until approved, and after that point, they become presumed OK, and at some

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On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I'd like to see a tag system introduced, so both the core team and the > community could supply tags for token entries. Hi Richard, My stack lets you add tags to entries as well as writing notes, and search on them of course. although, o

Re: how to disturb newbies

Jeff Reynolds hit on some excellent points here: > One thing also with documentation like the, and newbies are the > most vulnerable to this, is how well written it is and does it > cover all the steps (ie not start c, d, e...). It hard for a high > end development crew to hopefully have the abil

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What Jeff said. I almost never hear anyone complaining about there being too much documentation. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retr

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larry wrote: > Richard, > It appears to me that you missed my point. Indeed, and apparently I'm not alone in that. I understand that you want a tool for your own personal use that is separate from what others would have access to. You've made the request rather frequently here, and I appreci

Re: how to disturb newbies

On 26/10/14 20:11, Jeff Reynolds wrote: One thing also with documentation like the, and newbies are the most vulnerable to this, is how well written it is and does it cover all the steps (ie not start c, d, e...). It hard for a high end development crew to hopefully have the ability to write a

Re: how to disturb newbies

One thing also with documentation like the, and newbies are the most vulnerable to this, is how well written it is and does it cover all the steps (ie not start c, d, e...). It hard for a high end development crew to hopefully have the ability to write and edit to a very clean and readable style

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On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:44 AM, wrote: > Also, it would be nice to search on the body and notes of the Dictionary. > If that is currently possible (in 6.1.1) I do not know how to do it. Check out Bjornke's bvgDocu stack. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser

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On 26/10/14 19:54, Peter Haworth wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Earthednet-wp wrote: Perhaps, taking it a bit further, users' private notes might contain a button to submit them to the dictionary committee for review and inclusion in the master dictionary. I'd have to look at the di

Re: how to disturb newbies

Richard- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:49:51 AM, you wrote: >> Right Something like that would never work > That may point to an interesting direction: what automated systems does > Wikipedia employ to prevent spam? Well, there are notifications, all entries are logged (text, date, ip addres

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larry- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:47:27 AM, you wrote: > Hi Bill > As I already replied to Richard: > It seems you missed my point. > I am NOT talking about the LC user base modifying the Dictionary we all use. > I specifically said: MY Dictionary. > In other words, just my own copy of the Dict

Re: how to disturb newbies

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Earthednet-wp wrote: > Perhaps, taking it a bit further, users' private notes might contain a > button to submit them to the dictionary committee for review and inclusion > in the master dictionary. I'd have to look at the dictionary code but it it might be poss

Re: how to disturb newbies

On 26/10/14 19:50, Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:37:32 AM, you wrote: I wonder . . . If for the Dictionary . . . We don't need a system like the bug reporting system, and a triage nurse who weeds through the cases. As I understand things, that's what we have now, t

Re: how to disturb newbies

On 26/10/14 19:47, la...@significantplanet.org wrote: Hi Bill As I already replied to Richard: It seems you missed my point. I am NOT talking about the LC user base modifying the Dictionary we all use. I specifically said: MY Dictionary. In other words, just my own copy of the Dictionary on my

Re: how to disturb newbies

On 26/10/14 19:49, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 8:24:47 AM, you wrote: It may seem crazy until you consider the alternative: once any communications venue is open for unmoderated posting by everyone, it becomes a spam magnet. Right Something

Re: how to disturb newbies

Richmond- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 10:37:32 AM, you wrote: > I wonder . . . > If for the Dictionary . . . > We don't need a system like the bug reporting system, and > a triage nurse who weeds through the cases. As I understand things, that's what we have now, the problem being that it gets d

Re: how to disturb newbies

Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 8:24:47 AM, you wrote: It may seem crazy until you consider the alternative: once any communications venue is open for unmoderated posting by everyone, it becomes a spam magnet. Right Something like that would never work That may p

Re: how to disturb newbies

. Thanks, Larry - Original Message - From: "Earthednet-wp" To: "How to use LiveCode" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:33 AM Subject: Re: how to disturb newbies Folks, To me, allowing the entire LC user base to modify the dictionary that we all use, will cause m

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e body and notes of the Dictionary. If that is currently possible (in 6.1.1) I do not know how to do it. Thanks, Larry - Original Message - From: "Richard Gaskin" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: how to disturb newbies larry wrote: > I apprec

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I wonder . . . If for the Dictionary . . . We don't need a system like the bug reporting system, and a triage nurse who weeds through the cases. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: how to disturb newbies

Richard- Sunday, October 26, 2014, 8:24:47 AM, you wrote: > It may seem crazy until you consider the alternative: once any > communications venue is open for unmoderated posting by everyone, it > becomes a spam magnet. Right Something like that would never work -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@

Re: how to disturb newbies

Folks, To me, allowing the entire LC user base to modify the dictionary that we all use, will cause more problems than it solves. Richard's idea to form a team of experienced live coders to at least review additions and changes and brainstorm improvements is a great idea. Also, a feature that al

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larry wrote: > I appreciate all this effort to improve the Dictionary. > But I feel the discussion about allowing EACH LC user to personally > modify the Dictionary with his/her own notes is being overlooked. > I think it is crazy that LC only allows notes in the Dictionary that > have been revie

Re: how to disturb newbies

Jacques Hausser wrote: >> Le 26 oct. 2014 à 03:27, Kay C Lan a écrit : > >> Again, I FULLY SUPPORT Richard's recommendation that if anyone >> notices any errors or even believes there should be better examples, >> Notes, Tips or inclusions in the Dictionary and User Guide, then >> PLEASE submit t

Re: how to disturb newbies

use LiveCode" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:02 AM Subject: Re: how to disturb newbies Le 26 oct. 2014 à 03:27, Kay C Lan a écrit : Again, I FULLY SUPPORT Richard's recommendation that if anyone notices any errors or even believes there should be better examples, Notes, Tips or in

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> Le 26 oct. 2014 à 03:27, Kay C Lan a écrit : > Again, I FULLY SUPPORT Richard's recommendation that if anyone notices any > errors or even believes there should be better examples, Notes, Tips or > inclusions in the Dictionary and User Guide, then PLEASE submit them to: > > http://quality.run

Re: how to disturb newbies

On 25/10/14 22:44, Peter Haworth wrote: I have a free plugin that allows you to enter your own notes and tags about a dictionary entry. They are local to you so not available to all users. If interested, you can find it at http://www.lcsql.com/free-stuff.html Pete lcSQL Software

Re: how to disturb newbies

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: I've found in recent years that Dictionary errors have generally been fixed > almost instantly once notice is submitted, almost always prior to the next > release. > Whilst I can't comment on whether the speed at which Dictionary errors are

Re: how to disturb newbies

Hi Pete I had your previous plugin and now downloaded the updated one you listed below. GREAT!! Larry P.S. Why can't LC be as smart as you? - Original Message - From: "Peter Haworth" To: "How to use LiveCode" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 1:44 PM Su

Re: how to disturb newbies

I have a free plugin that allows you to enter your own notes and tags about a dictionary entry. They are local to you so not available to all users. If interested, you can find it at http://www.lcsql.com/free-stuff.html Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser

Re: how to disturb newbies

Mark Wieder wrote: > Richard- > > Saturday, October 25, 2014, 10:39:22 AM, you wrote: > >> Where can I find the "doc editing tool that the team uses", and >> where is it made available for community contributors? > > I forget. I think Mark Waddingham sent it to me or sent me a url or > attached i

Re: how to disturb newbies

Richard- Saturday, October 25, 2014, 10:39:22 AM, you wrote: > Where can I find the "doc editing tool that the team uses", and where is > it made available for community contributors? I forget. I think Mark Waddingham sent it to me or sent me a url or attached it to a bug report or something. I'

Re: how to disturb newbies

Mark Wieder wrote: > Richard- > > Saturday, October 25, 2014, 9:27:06 AM, you wrote: > >> For those willing to dive deeper into improving the documentation, >> the team has provided a section on the "Contribute to LiveCode" >> page on the format of Dictionary entries, which we can modify >> direc

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Richard- Saturday, October 25, 2014, 9:27:06 AM, you wrote: > For those willing to dive deeper into improving the documentation, the > team has provided a section on the "Contribute to LiveCode" page on the > format of Dictionary entries, which we can modify directly and submit a > pull request f

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> > Richard wrote: > I've filed the one you reported here for you: > What I just noticed - thank you ! Jacques ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subs

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Thanks for writing, Bill: > If there was a way to include user comments from a link in > the dictionary entry, it would be helpful to those who work > to improve the dictionary. Several versions back the team added a Notes facility, found at the bottom of each Dictionary entry. While this is

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larry wrote: > Richard wrote: >> I've found in recent years that Dictionary errors have generally >> been fixed almost instantly once notice is submitted, almost >> always prior to the next release. > > Richard, > If that is the case, then apparently there isn't much being done in > submitting no

Re: how to disturb newbies

If there was a way to include user comments from a link in the dictionary entry, it would be helpful to those who work to improve the dictionary. Or perhaps a direct link to the location where dictionary bugs are reported. Many of the comments would probably be made by newer users, who wouldn't

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Richard, If that is the case, then apparently there isn't much being done in submitting notice, because I know of many, many Dictionary errors. Larry I don't like to keep being a pest about this, but it would be SO nice if LC allowed us to edit the Dictionary on our own - our own corrections a

Re: how to disturb newbies

Jacques Hausser wrote: Dictionary examples: Syntax: after messageName [parametersList] statementList end messageName Examples: after mouseUp answer "after mouse up received" end resizeStack --- before Syntax: before messageName [parametersList] statementList end messageName Examples: befo

how to disturb newbies

Dictionary examples: Syntax: after messageName [parametersList] statementList end messageName Examples: after mouseUp answer "after mouse up received" end resizeStack --- before Syntax: before messageName [parametersList] statementList end messageName Examples: before mouseUp answer "b