Re: The Owner of a background group

Jacque, This is a great overview of how groups work. I am so saving this in my notes. With attribution, of course! Devin On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:23 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 8/21/12 10:23 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: > >> And so a group, being an object that contains other objects, has no >

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level objects. So be it. I am not complaining, just nostalgic. I am still embellishing old HC stacks. Regards, Craig -Original Message- From: J. Landman Gay To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 12:24 am Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group On 8/21/12 10

Re: The Owner of a background group

On 8/21/12 10:23 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: And so a group, being an object that contains other objects, has no unequivocal place in the hierarchy. There's an order. It's changed a couple of times, but as I understand it, the system is: 1. Card groups BackgroundBehavior: false Shared: n

Re: The Owner of a background group

Message- From: J. Landman Gay To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 9:56 pm Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group On 8/21/12 7:50 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: > Cards lived on HC backgrounds. But LC groups live on cards, even > though the background versions of these

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On 8/21/12 7:50 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Cards lived on HC backgrounds. But LC groups live on cards, even though the background versions of these have a sort of "shared" existence within the stack. But this is closer, in my opinion, to the sharedText of a field, rather than an object class in

Re: The Owner of a background group

Code Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 6:51 pm Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group On 8/21/12 10:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Hmmm now that I am thinking about it with a full cup of coffee > surging through my veins, I seem to remember Jacque mentioning in the > past that a background gro

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te grp yourGroup" work? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Bogdanoff > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 2:35 pm > Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group > > > I've seen this. Is there a way to delete a group completely from the s

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Oohh didn't think of delete background. Good to know. Bob On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:02 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 8/21/12 1:34 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: >> Is there a way to delete a group completely from thestack? > > Place the group on any card, select it with the edit tool, and hit the del

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On 8/21/12 1:34 PM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: Is there a way to delete a group completely from thestack? Place the group on any card, select it with the edit tool, and hit the delete key. Or alternately, in the message box: delete background "" -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac..

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Hi. Doesn't "delete grp yourGroup" work? -Original Message- From: Peter Bogdanoff To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 2:35 pm Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group I've seen this. Is there a way to delete a group completely from the stack?

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Thanks, that works perfectly! On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Yes. Place the group on a card. Set it's BackgroundBehavior to false. Delete > the group from the card. Save. Should be gone forever. > > Bob > > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > >> I've

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On 8/21/12 10:50 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hmmm now that I am thinking about it with a full cup of coffee surging through my veins, I seem to remember Jacque mentioning in the past that a background group really belongs to the stack as a whole from a certain point of view, although as Craig says, fo

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Yes. Place the group on a card. Set it's BackgroundBehavior to false. Delete the group from the card. Save. Should be gone forever. Bob On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: > I've seen this. Is there a way to delete a group completely from the stack? > I'm working with a stac

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I've seen this. Is there a way to delete a group completely from the stack? I'm working with a stack that has over a dozen unused groups. It is a legacy from when it was a HyperCard stack. The unused groups aren't causing a problem other than there are many with duplicate names. Can these be de

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Hmmm now that I am thinking about it with a full cup of coffee surging through my veins, I seem to remember Jacque mentioning in the past that a background group really belongs to the stack as a whole from a certain point of view, although as Craig says, for the purposes of the message path it h

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I have sometimes been tripped up by the fact the the long id of a control is in fact not very robust, in the sense that it will vary depending on which card you are currently on and where the stack is stored on disk. I needed a long ID equivalent that would be consistent no matter where it was c

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al Message- From: Peter Haworth To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:08 pm Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group I agree with that, that's why I thought the behavior I was seeing was so weird. I started using a fresh copy of the stack and all now works as expected so

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I agree with that, that's why I thought the behavior I was seeing was so weird. I started using a fresh copy of the stack and all now works as expected so there must have been some corruption in the version of the stack I was using. There might be an existing way to find out the "progenitor" - th

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u then get everything you could ask for. Craig -Original Message- From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:36 pm Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group Never mind works the same either way. Frankly, I would like the owner to return the card it was ori

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Send it to me if you like and I will have a look at it here. Bob On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Neither can I, except for this one stack that exhibits the behavior. I'm > suspecting some sort of stack corruption. > Pete > lcSQL Software > > > > On

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Neither can I, except for this one stack that exhibits the behavior. I'm suspecting some sort of stack corruption. Pete lcSQL Software On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I cannot make it work where the owner is the first card the group was > placed on

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> > I am intrigued. > > > > Craig > > > -Original Message- > From: Bob Sneidar > To: How to use LiveCode > Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:53 pm > Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group > > > Behave as background on? > > B

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Bob. I am intrigued. Craig -Original Message- From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:53 pm Subject: Re: The Owner of a background group Behave as background on? Bob On Aug 20, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Hi Craig, > Interest

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ard > where all the authoring took place. Using the "place" command works the > same as "command-N" in placing the group onto downstream cards. > > > > Mac OS10.5, LC 5.5 > > > Craig Newman > > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Pe

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Using the "place" command works the >> same as "command-N" in placing the group onto downstream cards. >> >> >> >> Mac OS10.5, LC 5.5 >> >> >> Craig Newman >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From:

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ere all the authoring took place. Using the "place" command works the > same as "command-N" in placing the group onto downstream cards. > > > > Mac OS10.5, LC 5.5 > > > Craig Newman > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Haworth

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g the "place" command works the same as "command-N" in placing the group onto downstream cards. Mac OS10.5, LC 5.5 Craig Newman -Original Message- From: Peter Haworth To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:19 pm Subject: The Owner of a backgroun

The Owner of a background group

It appears that requesting the owner of a background group does not always return the card on which the group exists. I think it returns the card on which the group was initially placed. For example, if groupA is a background group initially placed on Card1, then placed on card2 and I ask for