Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-26 Thread Mark Wilcox
Obviously I don't know the details but if you're going to run in a single app mode, then complete control of the phone while your app is running is possible without a jailbreak - it's just control whilst in Springboard and other people's apps you need to jailbreak for. -- Mark Wilcox m...@sor

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
The hardware device controls an iPhone remotely through bluetooth... not a process Apple supports. This isn't a game controller. It is complete control of the phone. On 8/25/14, 5:26 PM, Mark Wilcox wrote: I'm no jailbreaking expert but as I understood it, the issue is not that you can't get

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Mark Wilcox
I'm no jailbreaking expert but as I understood it, the issue is not that you can't get new versions of iOS quickly but that you can't install older firmware to a device unless you have already jailbroken it. You can't overwrite legitimate firmware with anything but newer legitimate firmware because

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Colin Holgate
Sounds like a golf shop. On Aug 25, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > If I sell you an ATM machine for your store, do you care one bit what kind of > hardware is in it? Do you care that the PC in it can surf the net or do > graphics work? You just want a machine that does its stated t

RE: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Ralph DiMola
...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harrison Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 4:06 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: iPhone kiosk Hi Richard, Yes, I understand the 120fps thing but some marketing people were touting 120fps as being the best for totally unnoticeable flicker especially for 3D type

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
120 fps is vital if you are analyzing any high-speed movement one frame at a time. It has nothing to do with flicker. If I sell you an ATM machine for your store, do you care one bit what kind of hardware is in it? Do you care that the PC in it can surf the net or do graphics work? You just wa

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Thanks, Mark. I'd heard about MDM, but this points me in the right direction for more. I don't have Richard's needs for the custom hardware add-on, so this sounds like it will work for my project. I'll post here as I find out more. Cheers, - Charles On 25 Aug 2014, at 2:31 PM, Mark Wilcox wrote

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richard, Yes, I understand the 120fps thing but some marketing people were touting 120fps as being the best for totally unnoticeable flicker especially for 3D type application viewing etc. It’s overkill for the human eye under most circumstances. Since your buyers will know that it is an iPho

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
Jailbreaking is a pain, but I see no way around it. We use a custom hardware add-on that can only communicate to the iPhone if it is jailbroken. As far as jailbreaking new devices is concerned, the idea is to maintain a cloned image of an earlier jailbroken device and then restore that image

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Mark Wilcox
Jailbreaking is a pain - do you really need it? I ask because iOS has a kiosk mode - look up "Guided Access". If you have to jailbreak you always get new devices with the latest firmware and then have to wait for someone to create a new jailbreak. If you retain control/ownership of the devices the

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
The slo-mo mode of the phone works really well. If you want to see regular playback of a video, you can record at 30 fps. There is no point in recording at 120 fps to see regular playback, as it will look identical to a recording made at 30 fps. The only reason to record at 120 fps is to see slo

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richard, So, the person you sell your device to will have to sign up for the Verizon/AT&T phone contract which will reveal the fact that there is indeed an Apple iPhone involved in the product? (Isn’t the 2 year contract about $2,000 total?) If the product is not concealing the iPhone, then a

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
Hi Rick, https://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/camera/ I own it and use the 120 fps slo-mo feature regularly. This is not a contract-free arrangement. It's a conventional purchase of an iPhone from Verizon with monthly payments. There's no attempt to conceal the phone. Why would Apple care what w

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Colin Holgate
Read the Slow Motion entry on this page: https://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/camera/ On Aug 25, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/ > > I only see 30fps recording and 60fps for playback for this device. (iPhone > 5s.) > Where are you getting 120fps tec

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richard, http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/ I only see 30fps recording and 60fps for playback for this device. (iPhone 5s.) Where are you getting 120fps technical information for this? Here’s the 5th Generation iPod Touch specs too. http://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/specs.html So as I u

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
This is used in a kiosk. The user never sees the phone and doesn't even know the kiosk is powered by it. I need the 120 fps only available in the 5s. On 8/25/14, 12:55 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: Hi Richard, The iPod Touch 5th Generation and earlier down to I believe 3rd generation all have ca

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Colin, I have an iPod Touch 5th Generation and it has both front and back facing cameras. According to Wikipedia: The new iSight camera has 5 megapixels and is capable of 1080p video recording with an illuminated sensor and a LED flash. The front facing camera was also upgraded to 1.3 mega

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Colin Holgate
My guess is that he’s making use of the 120 fps camera. The iPod Touch 5th gen does do 60 fps, which is twice the rate of the older devices, but I think it only has a front camera. On Aug 25, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > >The iPod Touch 5th Generation and earlier down to I believ

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richard, The iPod Touch 5th Generation and earlier down to I believe 3rd generation all have cameras and video capability. Why would I as a user want a one trick pony for all of that money for a new device when a simple app that would run under iOS would be sufficient? (Especially if I alread

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
I'd like to know more about the corporate distribution option as well. Anyone here have experience with that? My app requires jailbreaking to connect to a custom hardware device. On 8/25/14, 12:29 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote: Hi Richard, I haven't used this in a production app (one submitte

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Hi Richard, I haven't used this in a production app (one submitted to the App Store), because as I understand it it violates the rules. But you mentioned a jailbroken device, so I don't see any technical reason why it wouldn't work. Have you considered the App Store scheme they have for corporate

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
The Android problem is the almost total lack of LC functionality for video recording and playback. On 8/25/14, 12:16 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Its not answering the question, but You could get a much cheaper android phone, make the first one how you want it, and then clone using cyanog

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
Need the iPhone 5s camera. On 8/25/14, 10:13 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: Don’t know the answer to most of your questions, but wouldn’t an iPod Touch be cheaper? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscri

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Richard Miller
Hi Charles, About the update process, I didn't know one could use this approach with an iPhone. You are presumably talking about initially installing a small startup app (which doesn't change), which upon startup, either goes to a stack for the bulk of the apps functionality, or updates that s

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Its not answering the question, but You could get a much cheaper android phone, make the first one how you want it, and then clone using cyanogenmod backup and resotre using a flash card. Very simple process. The problem with iphone might be that someone else will think of it if your app take

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Charles E Buchwald
Hi Richard, I've used iBackupbot for backups and restores when working with a few different iOS devices. http://www.icopybot.com/itunes-backup-manager.htm It's not very refined, but it's useful. You can use it to help with making clones by restoring as you suggest. I think we all struggle with

Re: iPhone kiosk

2014-08-25 Thread Colin Holgate
Don’t know the answer to most of your questions, but wouldn’t an iPod Touch be cheaper? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.ru