35mm film is shot at 24 FPS with each frame shown twice when projected for an effective frame rate of 48 fps. No flickering was due to the 48 fps frame rate and temporal anti-aliasing of the 24 fps source. High frame rates are not always cost/data effective. NTSC also did temporal anti-aliasing with 30fps displayed as 60 interlaced fields per second. There are always tricks to fool the eye and keep the presentation cost effective.
Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Rick Harrison Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 4:06 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: iPhone kiosk Hi Richard, Yes, I understand the 120fps thing but some marketing people were touting 120fps as being the best for totally unnoticeable flicker especially for 3D type application viewing etc. It's overkill for the human eye under most circumstances. Since your buyers will know that it is an iPhone with a one trick app that you are providing, it really doesn't make any sense to have the device jailbroken. Give them all of the functionality of the device and just tell them which app to run. You avoid all of the pitfalls of jailbreaking the phones and for updating the app. (No point to not allowing users to use the other functions of the iPhone that they paid good money for.) Without knowing more about your project to understand why you believe that your device is going to earn the owner lots of extra cash, I really can't give anymore suggestions. Hope the discussion was helpful to you guys in some way. Good luck! Rick On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Richard Miller <w...@together.net> wrote: > The slo-mo mode of the phone works really well. If you want to see regular playback of a video, you can record at 30 fps. There is no point in recording at 120 fps to see regular playback, as it will look identical to a recording made at 30 fps. The only reason to record at 120 fps is to see slow motion playback. > > A $1000 annual cost for our device is a small fraction of what it earns the owner of the device. > > Richard > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Rick Harrison <harri...@all-auctions.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Richard, >> >> So, the person you sell your device to will have to sign up for the >> Verizon/AT&T phone contract which will reveal the fact that there is >> indeed an Apple iPhone involved in the product? (Isn't the 2 year >> contract about $2,000 total?) >> >> If the product is not concealing the iPhone, then again, why would I >> as a user want such a high end price wise one trick pony iPhone device? >> >> Is the playback of the Slo-Mo at 30fps then since it is billed as being at 1/4 speed playback? >> Not having said device in my possession this is a somewhat interesting feature. >> (I'm curious as to why Apple doesn't allow normal video recording at >> 120fps as an option.) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rick >> >> >>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Richard Miller <w...@together.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rick, >>> >>> https://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/camera/ >>> >>> I own it and use the 120 fps slo-mo feature regularly. >>> >>> This is not a contract-free arrangement. It's a conventional purchase of an iPhone from Verizon with monthly payments. >>> >>> There's no attempt to conceal the phone. >>> >>> Why would Apple care what we do with the phone? We're not advertising any aspect of the business as an "Apple-driven product'. >>> >>> No problem with you playing Devil's advocate :) I appreciate it. >>> >>> Our business model is not price-sensitive. It is quality-sensitive. >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 8/25/14, 2:02 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> >>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/ >>>> >>>> I only see 30fps recording and 60fps for playback for this device. >>>> (iPhone 5s.) Where are you getting 120fps technical information for this? >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's the 5th Generation iPod Touch specs too. >>>> >>>> http://www.apple.com/ipod-touch/specs.html >>>> >>>> >>>> So as I understand things now, you are hoping to use a contract >>>> free iPhone 5s strictly for the video camera and video display >>>> capabilities so that you can make it the center of some other >>>> hardware type device (perhaps a sports helmet camera or something >>>> similar.) Base price just for the iPhone $649. (Before any markup >>>> by you.) You will also be trying to conceal the fact that the >>>> iPhone is the centerpiece technology for the device. >>>> >>>> Someone on the internet will probably do a take apart of your >>>> device and when they publish the fact that the iPhone is the center >>>> piece of the device, Apple, Inc. >>>> will probably set it's legal department loose on you and tell you >>>> to at least seize and desist your operations or the manufacture of >>>> your device. >>>> (They will spout some licensing issue no doubt.) >>>> >>>> (Please understand I'm trying to play Devil's Advocate here to save >>>> you the potential legal hassles in advance.) >>>> >>>> It would probably be cheaper for you to just build your device from >>>> scratch as a prototype and then take it to a manufacturer to >>>> actually put the device together. >>>> (You avoid all the trouble with Apple, Inc. that way.) >>>> >>>> I hope this is somewhat helpful to you. >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Richard Miller <w...@together.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is used in a kiosk. The user never sees the phone and doesn't even know the kiosk is powered by it. >>>>> >>>>> I need the 120 fps only available in the 5s. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/25/14, 12:55 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: >>>>>> Hi Richard, >>>>>> >>>>>> The iPod Touch 5th Generation and earlier down to I believe 3rd >>>>>> generation all have cameras and video capability. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would I as a user want a one trick pony for all of that money >>>>>> for a new device when a simple app that would run under iOS would >>>>>> be sufficient? (Especially if I already own said iDevice.) You >>>>>> are also asking people to trust "Jailbroken" technology with your >>>>>> app along with the possible security holes as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you may be shooting yourself in the marketing foot with >>>>>> the route you are trying to go. It is certainly a more expensive >>>>>> route from a developmental standpoint too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my 2 cents. I hope it helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Richard Miller <w...@together.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Need the iPhone 5s camera. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
